Genocide and the bible.

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Christians in general in america today would be apalled at the thought of Genocide.

So could you ( Christians ) please explain this:

Genocide
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You hear a lot from Christians about Yahweh's "infinite compassion
and mercy". Tell it to the Midianites. Numbers 31 is a classic
example of wholesale slaughter and rape under the direction of
Yahweh. A sample of this tale: "They waged the campaign against
Midian, as Yahweh had ordered Moses, and they put every male to
death.... The sons of Israel took the Midianite women captive with
their young children, and plundered all their cattle, all their
flocks and all their goods. They set fire to the towns where
they lived and all their encampments.... Moses was enraged
with the commanders of the army ... who had come back from
this military expedition. He said, 'Why have you spared the
life of all the women? ... So kill all the male children. Kill
also all the women who have slept with a man. Spare the lives
only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take
them for yourselves.'" Yes, friends, this is infinite mercy and
compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got
upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed
the young girls to be kept for later raping. If only humans could
keep to such lofty standards without the necessity of divine
revelation.

I have no doubt that there is a GOD.
But I am beginning to seriously doubt the bible is from him.

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This from the guy who so vigorously argued in behalf of the trinity and hellfire. . .

Let me ask you this Scott:

If all of us who have been born since the Edenic rebellion are under the sentence of death, does it make any difference how we die? Or when?

Satan is the ruler of this world, Scott; all the misery and suffering of the past thousands of years are his work.

Now if God were to promise that he would give everyone who lived another chance at life in the paradise Adam and Eve spurned, would those resurrected ones curse God for their past suffering or thank God for delivering them from the machinations of Satan?

The bible was written to explain God's view of sin, and how it has produced war and crime and sickness and death. It also explains that God will soon prevail. That all this seems to us an eternity of suffering simply underscores the fact that to God
"a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night." (Psalm 90:4)

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neologist wrote:

Satan is the ruler of this world, Scott; all the misery and suffering of the past thousands of years are his work.

I take we can assume that you are not purporting an historical justification for this dubious proposition.

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Setanta wrote:

neologist wrote:
Satan is the ruler of this world, Scott; all the misery and suffering of the past thousands of years are his work.

I take we can assume that you are not purporting an historical justification for this dubious proposition.

I was speaking to Scott as a fellow bible thumper. It's an in thing. :wink:

John 14:30, if anyone needs a reference.

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You know, you always see them televangelist types runnin' around with this huge, floppy bobble (i guess it has a cachet of being well-thumbed)--is that the bobble of choice when y'all get to thumpin'?

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Too bad that more bibles get worn out by thumpin than readin.

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Intrepid wrote:

Too bad that more bibles get worn out by thumpin than readin.

Really? Why?
The one my family had was used as a door-stop and seemed to have lasted for decades. We prefered our fantasy to come from Aesop and Brothers Grimm.

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dyslexia wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
Too bad that more bibles get worn out by thumpin than readin.

Really? Why?
The one my family had was used as a door-stop and seemed to have lasted for decades. We prefered our fantasy to come from Aesop and Brothers Grimm.

It's great to live in a free country where you can do that with impunity. Was it a gift?

If you consider the bible to be fantasy and find every opportunity to make that supposition, why is ok for you to have fantasies and not religious people? Just wonderin...

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That is a particularly flimsy and pathetic strawman. No one says that the bobble-thumpers can't have fantasies--but we don't intend to let you claim they represent reality without comment.

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Re: Genocide and the bible.

Scott777ab wrote:

Christians in general in america today would be apalled at the thought of Genocide.

So could you ( Christians ) please explain this:

Genocide
========

You hear a lot from Christians about Yahweh's "infinite compassion
and mercy". Tell it to the Midianites. Numbers 31 is a classic
example of wholesale slaughter and rape under the direction of
Yahweh. A sample of this tale: "They waged the campaign against
Midian, as Yahweh had ordered Moses, and they put every male to
death.... The sons of Israel took the Midianite women captive with
their young children, and plundered all their cattle, all their
flocks and all their goods. They set fire to the towns where
they lived and all their encampments.... Moses was enraged
with the commanders of the army ... who had come back from
this military expedition. He said, 'Why have you spared the
life of all the women? ... So kill all the male children. Kill
also all the women who have slept with a man. Spare the lives
only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take
them for yourselves.'" Yes, friends, this is infinite mercy and
compassion for you. I particularly like the way that Moses got
upset with them for sparing women and male children, but allowed
the young girls to be kept for later raping. If only humans could
keep to such lofty standards without the necessity of divine
revelation.

I have no doubt that there is a GOD.
But I am beginning to seriously doubt the bible is from him.

Let me add further stuff like this runs all through the old testament.
Genocide.
Murder.
Rape

All commanded by:

JEHOVAH.

How can JEHOVAH even be considered a good God?
Or Caring?
Or Longsuffering?

I am sorry, but BS.

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Intrepid wrote:

It's great to live in a free country where you can do that with impunity. Was it a gift?

No it was not a gift. Thanks for asking.

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Roger... is that you??? What happened to eyore? (sp bad I know...)

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The god of the Old Testament is jealous, vindictive, vengeful, quick-to-anger, slow-to-forgive, duplicitous, tyrannical, murderous, barbaric, and petty.

AND THE god OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE god JESUS WORSHIPPED.

Hummmmm.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

The god of the Old Testament is jealous, vindictive, vengeful, quick-to-anger, slow-to-forgive, duplicitous, tyrannical, murderous, barbaric, and petty.

AND THE god OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE god JESUS WORSHIPPED.

Hummmmm.

No that is not right.
The bible shows that the God of the O.T. is Jesus.
Jehovah is Jesus in the flesh according to the bible.

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Scott777ab wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
The god of the Old Testament is jealous, vindictive, vengeful, quick-to-anger, slow-to-forgive, duplicitous, tyrannical, murderous, barbaric, and petty.

AND THE god OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE god JESUS WORSHIPPED.

Hummmmm.

No that is not right.
The bible shows that the God of the O.T. is Jesus.
Jehovah is Jesus in the flesh according to the bible.

No Scott...that is not correct.

Jesus spoke of a god that he worshipped.

That god is contained in the Old Testament.

He was more than just a bit of a scumbag...as far as gods go.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Scott777ab wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
The god of the Old Testament is jealous, vindictive, vengeful, quick-to-anger, slow-to-forgive, duplicitous, tyrannical, murderous, barbaric, and petty.

AND THE god OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE god JESUS WORSHIPPED.

Hummmmm.

No that is not right.
The bible shows that the God of the O.T. is Jesus.
Jehovah is Jesus in the flesh according to the bible.

No Scott...that is not correct.

Jesus spoke of a god that he worshipped.

That god is contained in the Old Testament.

He was more than just a bit of a scumbag...as far as gods go.

Sorry you are wrong, according to the bible Jesus is Jehovah, wether or not you like that or not.

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Plus no where does Jesus worship any one.

Even when he is saying My God My God why hast thou forsaken me. That was not worship.

The lord's prayer is a prayer jesus prayed to teach others how to pray.
But it was not worship.

Only God can forgive Sins.
Jesus forgave sins.
Therefor Jesus is God, and only Jehovah is God, therefor Jesus is Jehovah.

Just like the name Jesus means Jehovah will save or Jehovah will save his people, etc etc.

Jesus is Jehovah.

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Clean your brain out, Scott.

You do not know what you are talking about...and it sounds to me as though you are regurgitating (not especially well) the ramblings of one of the many odd-ball Christian sects.

Hey...go for it.

But all you are going to get here is a loud laugh.

Your Jesus worshipped a god...and that was the god of the Old Testament.

Live with it...or live with your delusions. Makes no big heap of shyt to me.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Clean your brain out, Scott.

You do not know what you are talking about...and it sounds to me as though you are regurgitating (not especially well) the ramblings of one of the many odd-ball Christian sects.

Hey...go for it.

But all you are going to get here is a loud laugh.

Your Jesus worshipped a god...and that was the god of the Old Testament.

Live with it...or live with your delusions. Makes no big heap of shyt to me.

It should'nt make a big heap of shyt since you are only guessing that Jesus worshipped anyone right?

Do you know HIS Jesus?

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Bartikus wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Clean your brain out, Scott.

You do not know what you are talking about...and it sounds to me as though you are regurgitating (not especially well) the ramblings of one of the many odd-ball Christian sects.

Hey...go for it.

But all you are going to get here is a loud laugh.

Your Jesus worshipped a god...and that was the god of the Old Testament.

Live with it...or live with your delusions. Makes no big heap of shyt to me.

It should'nt make a big heap of shyt since you are only guessing that Jesus worshipped anyone right?

In a way I am. In another way, I am not.

You people seem to think that the Bible has some validity...and since I am addressing you people...I am using the Bible as "valid in your eyes."

The Bible certainly has Jesus worshipping a god.

If I have to document that...you people are simply playing with yourselves.

And...the god the Bible has Jesus worshipping...is the god of Abraham...the god of the Old Testament.

From that perspective, I am not guessing. I am simply using your Bible in argument against you.

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