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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 02:34 pm
Palestine has been known as Palestine for thousands of years. This page at historyworld-dot-com gives a good overview. References to "Alley Oop," Adam and Eve and Noah show us the depth of historical sophistication with which we are dealing here. Bedouins, commonly referred to as Arabs, have been living in that region for thousands of years. They didn't come in looking for work. If the land were "uninhabited," from whom is one alleging the Zionists "bought" land? In fact, after the Second World War, the region began to fill with European Jews who just took the land, and then demanded that any Palestinian who objected prove their title to the land in writing--which, of course, after centuries of occupation since time out of mind, they could not do. This was in fact the basis upon which Palestinian land and water rights were seized beginning in 1948.

Of course, with shills like Gunga around, the Israelis never have to fear fot the vigor of their propaganda machine in the United States.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 02:35 pm
Gungasnake--Note

I wrote---

l. The occupation of Palestine by the Isrealites( Hebrews) , to whom the area was know as Cannan, was probably completed by the end of the 13th Century BC
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It may have been called "Cannan" but it was the territory known as PALESTINE now!!!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 02:40 pm
Herodotus first mentions "Palaistine" in The Histories, written in the fifthe century before the current era.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 02:44 pm
Really? I shall write to the Encyclopdia Brittanica forthwith! And when I mention that Setanta corrected them, they will shudder in fear and with foreboding and IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THEIR ARTICLE! LOL
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 02:59 pm
Setanta wrote:
Palestine has been known as Palestine for thousands of years. ....


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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:11 pm
Herodotus, in Book I, 105, of [i]The Histories[/i] wrote:
Thence they went on to invade Egypt; and when they were in Syria which is called Palestine, Psammetichos king of Egypt met them; and by gifts and entreaties he turned them from their purpose, so that they should not advance any further: and as they retreated, when they came to the city of Ascalon in Syria, most of the Scythians passed through without doing any damage, but a few of them who had stayed behind plundered the temple of Aphrodite Urania.


Source, in a Greek and English concordance, at Sacred Texts dot com.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:13 pm
Bullshit yourself, Gunga - while never was there a state or nation by that name, the overall region has been known as "The Palestine" or more simply, "Palestine" or cognates or particular linguistic equivalents thereof for millenia. Look up the etymology of the word "purple" and explore that word's relationship to the word /placename "Canaan".
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:19 pm
BernardR wrote:
Really? I shall write to the Encyclopdia Brittanica forthwith! And when I mention that Setanta corrected them, they will shudder in fear and with foreboding and IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THEIR ARTICLE! LOL



gungasnake wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Palestine has been known as Palestine for thousands of years. ....


MOOooooooooo plop, plop, plop.......

http://iacmusic.com/Uploads/Motorpsychos_-_bullshit.gif


Quote:

According to the Greek historian Herodotus, Necho began the construction of a canal from the Nile River to the Red Sea, probably in response to the growth of trade in the Egyptian Delta, but an oracle persuaded him to discontinue the project. A threat developed in Mesopotamia, where the Assyrian Empire was falling to the Babylonians. Necho ordered fleets to be built on the Mediterranean and Red seas, and with them he undertook a Syrian campaign in 608 BC to assist the battered Assyrian armies. When Josiah, king of Judah and an ally of the Neo-Babylonians, was slain in battle at Megiddo, Necho replaced Josiah's chosen successor with his own nominee and imposed tribute on Judah. In 606 the Egyptians routed the Neo-Babylonians, but at the great Battle of Carchemish (a Syrian city on the middle Euphrates River) in 605 the Neo-Babylonian crown prince, Nebuchadrezzar, soundly defeated Necho's troops and forced their withdrawal from Syria and Palestine. Egypt itself was threatened in 601, but Necho repelled the enemy and continued to promote anti-Babylonian coalitions in Syria and Palestine.

Herodotus also reports that Necho sent an expedition to circumnavigate Africa. His navigators apparently accomplished the feat, for they reported that, after a certain point in their voyage, the sun lay to their right (i.e., northward), as they sailed around southern Africa.

source: Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 21 Aug. 2006 http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9055147.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:21 pm
I see the armies lined up in their crusade against Ignorance.

<snicker>
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:32 pm
Herodotus, Book II, 104, of [i]The Histories[/i] wrote:
The Phenicians and the Syrians who dwell in Palestine confess themselves that they have learnt it from the Egyptians, and the Syrians about the river Thermodon and the river Parthenios, and the Macronians, who are their neighbours, say that they have learnt it lately from the Colchians.


Herodotus, Book II, 106 wrote:
The pillars which Sesostris of Egypt set up in the various countries are for the most part no longer to be seen extant; but in Syria Palestine I myself saw them existing with the inscription upon them which I have mentioned and the emblem.


Herodotus, Book III, 5 wrote:
Now by this way only is there a known entrance to Egypt: for from Phenicia to the borders of the city of Cadytis belongs to the Syrians who are called of Palestine, and from Cadytis, which is a city I suppose not much less than Sardis, from this city the trading stations on the sea- coast as far as the city of Ienysos belong to the king of Arabia, and then from Ienysos again the country belongs to the Syrians as far as the Serbonian lake, along the side of which Mount Casion extends towards the Sea.


Herodotus, Book III, 91 wrote:
From that division which begins with the city of Posideion, founded by Amphilochos the son of Amphiaraos on the borders of the Kilikians and the Syrians, and extends as far as Egypt, not including the territory of the Arabians (for this was free from payment), the amount was three hundred and fifty talents; and in this division are the whole of Phenicia and Syria which is called Palestine and Cyprus: this is the fifth division.


Herodotus, Book IV, 39 wrote:
Now in the line stretching to Phenicia from the land of the Persians the land is broad and the space abundant, but after Phenicia this peninsula goes by the shore of our Sea along Palestine, Syria, and Egypt, where it ends; and in it there are three nations only.


Herodotus, Book VII, 89 wrote:
Of the triremes the number proved to be one thousand two hundred and seven, and these were they who furnished them:--the Phenicians, together with the Syrians who dwell in Palestine furnished three hundred; and they were equipped thus, that is to say, they had about their heads leathern caps made very nearly in the Hellenic fashion, and they wore corslets of linen, and had shields without rims and javelins.


Source as given above, in an English and Greek concordance.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:36 pm
I just love seein' Gunga and Bernard crank up the fractured fairy tales which is their version of history . . . they crack me up.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:38 pm
BernardR wrote:

l. The occupation of Palestine by the Isrealites( Hebrews) , to whom the area was know as Cannan, was probably completed by the end of the 13th Century BC



BernardR wrote:
Really? I shall write to the Encyclopdia Brittanica forthwith! And when I mention that Setanta corrected them, they will shudder in fear and with foreboding and IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THEIR ARTICLE! LOL


Quote:
The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BC occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv-Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century AD in "Syria Palaestina," designating the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way thence into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region at least since the early Islamic era.
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The name Palestine has long been in popular use as a general term to denote a traditional region, but this usage does not imply precise boundaries. The perception of what constitutes Palestine's eastern boundary has been especially fluid, although the boundary frequently has been perceived as lying east of the Jordan River, extending at times to the edge of the Arabian Desert. In contemporary understanding, however, Palestine is generally defined as a region bounded on the east by the Jordan River, on the north by the border between modern Israel and Lebanon, on the west by the Mediterranean Sea (including the coast of Gaza), and on the south by the Negev, with its southernmost extension reaching the Gulf of Aqaba. [...]

source: "Palestine." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 21 Aug. 2006 http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9108522.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:41 pm
I don't understand the relevance that the region was called Palestine. I guess one might say that any living in the region, whether Jew, Arab, Christian, et al., was a Palestinian. The UN later carved out territories, one being the state of Israel (which had a varied population). In any event, the name given the region does not somehow endow legal rights to those now calling themselves Palestinians.

I guess that the above will bring on Set's usual personal attack on me.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:42 pm
Setanta wrote:
I just love seein' Gunga and Bernard crank up the fractured fairy tales which is their version of history . . . they crack me up.


What really makes me angry is not only ignorance but misquoting sources, especially when they can be accessed easily.

(If one of my students had made a similar remark like BernardR did about Britannica entries ... she/he could have tried her/his BA or MA thesis the other semester again.)
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:43 pm
Possum wrote:
Really? I shall write to the Encyclopdia Brittanica forthwith!


We would be delighted if you could be so kind as to post a copy of your letter on this thread.

Thank you.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:48 pm
old europe wrote:
Possum wrote:
Really? I shall write to the Encyclopdia Brittanica forthwith!


We would be delighted if you could be so kind as to post a copy of your letter on this thread.

Thank you.


Just in case:

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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:52 pm
Waler, you're always so kindly and helpful. I'm all on tenterhooks now to know how this turns out for Bernard.
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Possum
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:57 pm
Dear Mr. Britannica!

I am very much afraid that you got one of your articles ABYSMALLY WRONG! You know virtually NOTHING about history!!! Because of you, I was the target of much ridicule on an internet forum where I am participating 24/7. I am astonished that you do have so little grasp of the subject!!

Mr Britannica wrote in an article,

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l. The occupation of Palestine by the Isrealites( Hebrews) , to whom the area was know as Cannan, was probably completed by the end of the 13th Century BC


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It is obvious that you are clueless, Mr. Britannica!!! If you are such an EXPERT as you claim, you should reply and REBUT MY LETTER WITH EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:58 pm
Encyclopdia Brittanica--Volume 6 Fifteenth Edition 1989

found under "Israel" P. 423

QUOTE

'THE OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE BY THE ISRAELITES( HEBREWS). TO WHOM THE AREA WAS KNOWN AS CANNAN, WAS PROBABLY COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE THIRTEENTH CENTURY-BC.

END OF QUOTE
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2006 03:59 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I just love seein' Gunga and Bernard crank up the fractured fairy tales which is their version of history . . . they crack me up.


What really makes me angry is not only ignorance but misquoting sources, especially when they can be accessed easily.

(If one of my students had made a similar remark like BernardR did about Britannica entries ... she/he could have tried her/his BA or MA thesis the other semester again.)


Bernard is a very bad lad. Crying or Very sad But we're not learning anything new. Smile
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