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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 09:53 am
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August 17, 2006
Excuse After Excuse
By Victor Davis Hanson


What makes two-dozen British Muslims want to blow up thousands of innocent passengers on jumbo jets? Why does al-Qaida plan hourly to kill civilians? And why does oil-rich Iran wish to "wipe out" Israel?

In short, it's the old blame game, one that over the past century has taken multiple forms.

Once, a tired whine of Islamists was that European colonialists and American oilmen rigged global commerce to "rob" the Middle East of its natural wealth. But they were pretty quiet when the price of crude oil jumped from around an expensive $25 a barrel to an exorbitant $75.

Recently, oil exporters of the Middle East have taken in around an extra $500 billon each year in windfall profits beyond the old lucrative income. It is one of the largest, most sudden -- and least remarked upon -- transfers of capital in history.

Another old excuse for Islamist anger was the claim the West had favored autocrats -- the Shah, the House of Saud, the Kuwaiti royal family -- in a cynical desire for cheap gas and to prop up strong anti-communist allies.

Some of that complaint was certainly accurate. But since Sept. 11, America has ensured democracy in Afghanistan, spent billions and over 2,500 lives fostering freedom in Iraq, pressured Syria to leave Lebanon, and lectured long-time allies in Egypt and the Gulf to reform. For all this, we are now considered crude interventionists, even when our efforts may well pave the way for radical Muslims to gain legitimacy through plebiscites.

Islamists have and continue today to gripe about Western infidels encroaching on Muslim lands. Osama bin Laden attacked because of American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, or so he said. Hamas and Hezbollah resorted to terror to free Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank, or so they said.

Yet, nothing much has changed since the United States pulled its combat troops out of Saudi Arabia, or after the Israelis departed Gaza and Lebanon, and announced planned withdrawals from parts of the West Bank. Meanwhile, the elected Iraqi government wants American soldiers to stay longer (while the latest polls suggest the American public doesn't agree).

Then there is moaning that the West treats its Muslim immigrants unfairly, despite evidence to the contrary. After all, Muslims build mosques and madrassas all over Europe and the United States; yet Christians cannot worship in Saudi Arabia or have missionaries in Iran. Western residents or immigrants in most Arab nations would not dare demonstrate on behalf of Israel. But in Michigan last week, largely Arab-American crowds chanted "Hezbollah" -- despite that terrorist organization's long history of murdering Americans.

Another Islamist grumble is that the West supports only Israel. Again, that's hardly true. The Europeans gave plenty of aid to the PLO and Hamas, and their hostility to Israel is well-established. The United States make no bones about aiding Israel, but it also has given tremendous amounts of money to the Palestinians, Egypt ($50 billion so far) and Jordan. And without the United States, Kuwait would be the 19th province of Iraq, the Taliban would rule Afghanistan, Saddam and his sons would still slaughter Kurds and there might not be any Muslims left at all in Kosovo or Bosnia.

The one thing, however, that the United States cannot do to please Islamists is change its liberal character and traditions of Western tolerance. And isn't that the real story behind all these perceived grievances and phantom hurts: the intrusive dynamism of freewheeling Western, and particularly American, culture?

Both its low form of girly magazines and punk rock as well as its impressive literature, art, commerce and technology now saturate the world. And why not? American radical individualism appeals to the innate human desire for freedom and unbridled expression. Westernization subverts most hierarchs, especially in the reactionary world of Islamic fundamentalism, where the mullah, family patriarch or state autocrat can't keep a lid on it. Instantaneous communications have also brought to an insecure Middle Eastern society firsthand views of how much wealthier, freer and more tolerant the outside world is when it is democratic and transparent.

But instead of providing a blueprint for reform, these revelations only incite envy and anger from millions who are advised that parity with the West is found instead by retreating further into 7th-century religious purity.

So never mind the trillions in petrodollars, billions in aid and concessions. Unless we change our very character, or the Middle East achieves success and confidence through Western-style democracy and economic reform, expect more tired scapegoating and violence from radical discontents, from Lebanon to London -- and well beyond.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 10:01 am
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If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country . . . We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?
David Ben Gurion
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:44 am
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
McG asked:
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So, who can tell me why defending Israel is such a bad thing?


It ain't. Nor is defending Hezbollah. It's absolutism, or something near to that, which becomes the problem.


The problem I have with that response, is it has little value in terms of practicality. Pinheads in ivory towers can theorize that it would be a lovely and ideal set of circumstances if the countries in the Middle East would just get along with one another, but the reality is quite different. The current reality is Israel (and the citizens of Israel) is attacked by various factions from time to time. When this happens, picking a side in the conflict is appropriate, and in my view the choice is clear. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups and their chief target is Israel. I view Hamas and Hezbollah as the "bad guys." I do not view Israel as the bad guy in that scenario. Thus, when the conflict is Israel reacting to attacks from Hamas or Hezbollah with military force, my tendency is to side with Israel, since I fully believe it has the right to defend itself from these attacks. My doing so does not constitute "absolutism, or something near to that." (Maybe you need to clarify what you meant by that remark.)

Further, if someone does not view Hamas or Hezbollah as the bad guys -- and we have several of those at this site -- then I tend to view them as terrorist sympathizers. I believe it is entirely appropriate to do so, because I do not find terrorism defensible, nor do I think terrorism is justified. I believe some strains of Islam prevalent in the Middle East, teach that Jihad is a requirement, and this furthers terrorism. I do not think appeasement will stop terrorism ... I think just the opposite. Negotiating with terrorists is a bad idea, and should never happen. This is "how I frame the issues" ... this is my "worldview." The conflict must be reduced to stark terms, to "black and white." If you think otherwise, you are an idealogue.


Palestinians have the right to defend themselves as well, they are under the yoke of occupation and can only fight with what they have. Israel sends bombs into neighborhoods and bulldozes homes in so called "collective punishment" and Hamas sends suicide bombs into Israeli neighborhoods and Hezbolllah sends rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. Its all the same but in the end, Israel is in the wrong because number one we had no business setting up a state for them pushing Palestinians out in the cold and number two they are still occupying Palestine.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:47 am
revel wrote:
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves as well, they are under the yoke of occupation and can only fight with what they have. Israel sends bombs into neighborhoods and bulldozes homes in so called "collective punishment" and Hamas sends suicide bombs into Israeli neighborhoods and Hezbolllah sends rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. Its all the same but in the end, Israel is in the wrong because number one we had no business setting up a state for them pushing Palestinians out in the cold and number two they are still occupying Palestine.


There you go, revel. You have picked your side. Let no one accuse you of straddling the fence. You fully support and defend the actions terrorists.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:51 am
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves as well, they are under the yoke of occupation and can only fight with what they have. Israel sends bombs into neighborhoods and bulldozes homes in so called "collective punishment" and Hamas sends suicide bombs into Israeli neighborhoods and Hezbolllah sends rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. Its all the same but in the end, Israel is in the wrong because number one we had no business setting up a state for them pushing Palestinians out in the cold and number two they are still occupying Palestine.


There you go, revel. You have picked your side. Let no one accuse you of straddling the fence. You fully support and defend the actions terrorists.


And as wrongheaded as I think being a terrorist sympathizer is, at least Revel has the balls to express an opinion. I can respect that more than those who are obviously terrorist sympathizers but won't say it because of how it would look.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:20 pm
Just making note as to the different types of cards played by the neo-cons when they start losing debate :

The amazing thing is that they always win.

So far -:

(1) The holocaust card
(2) The Anti-semitism card
(3) The Victim card
(4) The 911 card
(5) (now) The terrorist sympathizer card

Can anyone think of more?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:45 pm
(6) The you're a wacko card.




I'd like to play that one right now.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:55 pm
All 6 cards are pretty powerful cards, and real cards, any one of which aces out the opponents cards.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 02:35 pm
I can't figure out how the pro-Israel group is playing the victim card when the radical anti-Bush, anti-Israel Left has been hollering that Hezbollah and Lebanon are being victimized for weeks now. Anybody want to explain that one?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 03:21 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I can't figure out how the pro-Israel group is playing the victim card when the radical anti-Bush, anti-Israel Left has been hollering that Hezbollah and Lebanon are being victimized for weeks now. Anybody want to explain that one?


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Foxfyre (part of the pro-Israel group) wrote

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Seriously, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. What should Israel do? If it is not a victim, what is it?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 03:27 pm
I don't deny that Israel was the victim and was defending itself. I do deny that understanding that is not playing the victim card. But if it IS playing the victim card, then those defending Hezbollah have been playing the victim card in spades and then turn around and point fingers at those who claim Israel is a victim? I think that's pretty darn hypocritical along with playing the victim card.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 05:55 pm
Freedom4 free left out a card--
THE ISLAMOFASCIST MURDERERS CARD.

On the face of that card is a photo of the beheading of the journalist- Mr. Pearl!!!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 06:13 pm
Stephen Schwartz wrote:
What Is 'Islamofascism'?
A history of the word from the first Westerner to use it.
Daily Standard
08/17/2006 12:00:00 AM

This article originally appeared on TCS Daily.

"Islamic fascists"--used by President George W. Bush for the conspirators in the alleged trans-Atlantic airline bombing plot--and references by other prominent figures to "Islamofascism," have been met by protests from Muslims who say the term is an insult to their religion. The meaning and origin of the concept, as well as the legitimacy of complaints about it, have become relevant--perhaps urgently so.

I admit to a lack of modesty or neutrality about this discussion, since I was, as I will explain, the first Westerner to use the neologism in this context.

In my analysis, as originally put in print directly after the horror of September 11, 2001, Islamofascism refers to use of the faith of Islam as a cover for totalitarian ideology. This radical phenomenon is embodied among Sunni Muslims today by such fundamentalists as the Saudi-financed Wahhabis, the Pakistani jihadists known as Jama'atis, and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. In the ranks of Shia Muslims, it is exemplified by Hezbollah in Lebanon and the clique around President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran.

Political typologies should make distinctions, rather than confusing them, and Islamofascism is neither a loose nor an improvised concept. It should be employed sparingly and precisely. The indicated movements should be treated as Islamofascist, first, because of their congruence with the defining characteristics of classic fascism, especially in its most historically-significant form--German National Socialism.

Fascism is distinguished from the broader category of extreme right-wing politics by its willingness to defy public civility and openly violate the law. As such it represents a radical departure from the tradition of ultra-conservatism. The latter aims to preserve established social relations, through enforcement of law and reinforcement of authority. But the fascist organizations of Mussolini and Hitler, in their conquests of power, showed no reluctance to rupture peace and repudiate parliamentary and other institutions; the fascists employed terror against both the existing political structure and society at large. It is a common misconception of political science to believe, in the manner of amateur Marxists, that Italian fascists and Nazis sought maintenance of order, to protect the ruling classes. Both Mussolini and Hitler agitated against "the system" governing their countries. Their willingness to resort to street violence, assassinations, and coups set the Italian and German fascists apart from ordinary defenders of ruling elites, which they sought to replace. This is an important point that should never be forgotten. Fascism is not merely a harsh dictatorship or oppression by privilege.

Islamofascism similarly pursues its aims through the willful, arbitrary, and gratuitous disruption of global society, either by terrorist conspiracies or by violation of peace between states. Al Qaeda has recourse to the former weapon; Hezbollah, in assaulting northern Israel, used the latter. These are not acts of protest, but calculated strategies for political advantage through undiluted violence. Hezbollah showed fascist methods both in its kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and in initiating that action without any consideration for the Lebanese government of which it was a member. Indeed, Lebanese democracy is a greater enemy of Hezbollah than Israel.

Fascism rested, from the economic perspective, on resentful middle classes, frustrated in their aspirations and anxious about loss of their position. The Italian middle class was insecure in its social status; the German middle class was completely devastated by the defeat of the country in the First World War. Both became irrational with rage at their economic difficulties; this passionate and uncontrolled fury was channeled and exploited by the acolytes of Mussolini and Hitler. Al Qaeda is based in sections of the Saudi, Pakistani, and Egyptian middle classes fearful, in the Saudi case, of losing their unstable hold on prosperity--in Pakistan and Egypt, they are angry at the many obstacles, in state and society, to their ambitions. The constituency of Hezbollah is similar: the growing Lebanese Shia middle class, which believes itself to be the victim of discrimination.

Fascism was imperialistic; it demanded expansion of the German and Italian spheres of influence. Islamofascism has similar ambitions; the Wahhabis and their Pakistani and Egyptian counterparts seek control over all Sunni Muslims in the world, while Hezbollah projects itself as an ally of Syria and Iran in establishing regional dominance.

Fascism was totalitarian; i.e. it fostered a totalistic world view--a distinct social reality that separated its followers from normal society. Islamofascism parallels fascism by imposing a strict division between Muslims and alleged unbelievers. For Sunni radicals, the practice of takfir--declaring all Muslims who do not adhere to the doctrines of the Wahhabis, Pakistani Jama'atis, and the Muslim Brotherhood to be outside the Islamic global community or ummah--is one expression of Islamofascism. For Hezbollah, the posture of total rejectionism in Lebanese politics--opposing all politicians who might favor any political negotiation with Israel--serves the same purpose. Takfir, or "excommunication" of ordinary Muslims, as well as Hezbollah's Shia radicalism, are also important as indispensable, unifying psychological tools for the strengthening of such movements.

Fascism was paramilitary; indeed, the Italian and German military elites were reluctant to accept the fascist parties' ideological monopoly. Al Qaeda and Hezbollah are both paramilitary.

I do not believe these characteristics are intrinsic to any element of the faith of Islam. Islamofascism is a distortion of Islam, exactly as Italian and German fascism represented perversions of respectable patriotism in those countries. Nobody argues today that Nazism possessed historical legitimacy as an expression of German nationalism; only Nazis would make such claims, to defend themselves. Similarly, Wahhabis and their allies argue that their doctrines are "just Islam." But German culture existed for centuries, and exists today, without submitting to Nazi values; Islam created a world-spanning civilization, surviving in a healthy condition in many countries today, without Wahhabism or political Shiism, both of which are less than 500 years old.

But what of those primitive Muslims who declare that "Islamofascism" is a slur? The Washington Post of August 14 quoted a speaker at a pro-Hezbollah demonstration in Washington, as follows: "'Mr. Bush: Stop calling Islam "Islamic fascism,' said Esam Omesh, president of the Muslim American Society, prompting a massive roar from the crowd. He said there is no such thing, 'just as there is no such thing as Christian fascism.'"

These curious comments may be parsed in various ways. Since President Bush used the term "Islamic fascists" to refer to a terrorist conspiracy, did Mr. Omesh (whose Muslim American Society is controlled by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood) intend to accept the equation of Islam with said terrorism, merely rejecting the political terminology he dislikes? Probably not. But Mr. Omesh's claim that "there is no such thing as Christian fascism" is evidence of profound historical ignorance. Leading analysts of fascism saw its Italian and German forms as foreshadowed by the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. and the Russian counter-revolutionary mass movement known as the Black Hundreds. Both movements were based in Christian extremism, symbolized by burning crosses in America and pogroms against Jews under the tsars.

The fascist Iron Guard in Romania during the interwar period and in the second world war was explicitly Christian--its official title was the "Legion of the Archangel Michael;" Christian fascism also exists in the form of Ulster Protestant terrorism, and was visible in the (Catholic) Blue Shirt movement active in the Irish Free State during the 1920s and 1930s. Both the Iron Guard and the Blue Shirts attracted noted intellectuals; the cultural theorist Mircea Eliade in the first case, the poet W.B Yeats in the second. Many similar cases could be cited. It is also significant that Mr. Omesh did not deny the existence of "Jewish fascism"--doubtless because in his milieu, the term is commonly directed against Israel. Israel is not a fascist state, although some marginal, ultra-extremist Jewish groups could be so described.

I will conclude with a summary of a more obscure debate over the term, which is symptomatic of many forms of confusion in American life today. I noted at the beginning of this text that I am neither modest nor neutral on this topic. I developed the concept of Islamofascism after receiving an e-mail in June 2000 from a Bangladeshi Sufi Muslim living in America, titled "The Wahhabis: Fascism in Religious Garb!" I then resided in Kosovo. I put the term in print in The Spectator of London, on September 22, 2001. I was soon credited with it by Andrew Sullivan in his Daily Dish, and after it was attributed to Christopher Hitchens, the latter also acknowledged me as the earliest user of it. While working in Bosnia-Hercegovina more recently, I participated in a public discussion in which the Pakistani Muslim philosopher Fazlur Rahman (1919-88), who taught for years at the University of Chicago (not to be confused with the Pakistani radical Fazlur Rehman), was cited as referring to "Islamic fascists."

If such concerns seem absurdly self-interested, it is also interesting to observe how Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, dealt with the formulation of Islamofascism as an analytical tool. After a long and demeaning colloquy between me and a Wikipedian who commented negatively on an early book of mine while admitting that he had never even seen a copy of it, Wikipedia (referring to it collectively, as its members prefer) decided it to ascribe it to another historian of Islam, Malise Ruthven. But Ruthven, in 1990, used the term to refer to all authoritarian governments in Muslim countries, from Morocco to Pakistan.

I do not care much, these days, about Wikipedia and its misapprehensions, or obsess over acknowledgements of my work. But Malise Ruthven was and would remain wrong to believe that authoritarianism and fascism are the same. To emphasize, fascism is something different, and much worse, than simple dictatorship, however cruel the latter may be. That is a lesson that should have been learned 70 years ago, when German Nazism demonstrated that it was a feral and genocidal aberration in modern European history, not merely another form of oppressive rightist rule, or a particularly wild variety of colonialism.

Similarly, the violence wreaked by al Qaeda and Hezbollah, and by Saddam Hussein before them, has been different from other expressions of reactionary Arabism, simple Islamist ideology, or violent corruption in the post-colonial world. Between democracy, civilized values, and normal religion on one side, and Islamofascism on the other, there can be no compromise; as I have written before, it is a struggle to the death. President Bush is right to say "young democracies are fragile . . . this may be [the Islamofascists'] last and best opportunity to stop freedom's advance." As with the Nazis, nothing short of a victory for democracy can assure the world's security.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 06:18 pm
A wonderful article- Ican- I hope you don't mind if I replicate a critical section of it which I think is really critical in understanding Islamo-Fascism.

I defy any on the left to show how this definition DOES NOT fit the murderous swine in the Far East who work under the flag of Islam--


Islamofascism similarly pursues its aims through the willful, arbitrary, and gratuitous disruption of global society, either by terrorist conspiracies or by violation of peace between states. Al Qaeda has recourse to the former weapon; Hezbollah, in assaulting northern Israel, used the latter. These are not acts of protest, but calculated strategies for political advantage through undiluted violence. Hezbollah showed fascist methods both in its kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and in initiating that action without any consideration for the Lebanese government of which it was a member. Indeed, Lebanese democracy is a greater enemy of Hezbollah than Israel.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 07:34 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves as well, they are under the yoke of occupation and can only fight with what they have. Israel sends bombs into neighborhoods and bulldozes homes in so called "collective punishment" and Hamas sends suicide bombs into Israeli neighborhoods and Hezbolllah sends rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. Its all the same but in the end, Israel is in the wrong because number one we had no business setting up a state for them pushing Palestinians out in the cold and number two they are still occupying Palestine.


There you go, revel. You have picked your side. Let no one accuse you of straddling the fence. You fully support and defend the actions terrorists.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I can understand the Palestinian cause. Make of it what you will. <shrugs>
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 07:42 pm
If anyone thinks terrorism is isolated, or that that sympathies for terrorists are very limited among Muslim populations, check this out:

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248

In some countries, sympathies for terrrorist acts have declined slightly in the last 3 or 4 years, while not in all.

If I am interpreting the data correctly, the percentage of Muslim populations that believe suicide bombing or violence is either sometimes or rarely justified against civilian targets, is 88% in Jordan, 58% in Lebanon, 44% in Pakistan, 33% in Indonesia, 20% in Turkey, and 18% in Morocco. The link gives much more information than this, but this is a starter, which illustrates the magnitude of the problem.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 09:44 pm
revel wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves as well, they are under the yoke of occupation and can only fight with what they have. Israel sends bombs into neighborhoods and bulldozes homes in so called "collective punishment" and Hamas sends suicide bombs into Israeli neighborhoods and Hezbolllah sends rockets into Israeli neighborhoods. Its all the same but in the end, Israel is in the wrong because number one we had no business setting up a state for them pushing Palestinians out in the cold and number two they are still occupying Palestine.


There you go, revel. You have picked your side. Let no one accuse you of straddling the fence. You fully support and defend the actions terrorists.


One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I can understand the Palestinian cause. Make of it what you will. <shrugs>


You aren't just "understanding" their cause. You are condoning their actions. Which include detonating nail bombs in crowded cafes in Isreal, killing as many innocent civilians as they can. That you condone the terrorists is disgusting.

Terrorist apologists make me sick.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 10:38 pm
Ticomaya wrote:--commenting on Revel's post defending terrorists:

You aren't just "understanding" their cause. You are condoning their actions. Which include detonating nail bombs in crowded cafes in Isreal, killing as many innocent civilians as they can. That you condone the terrorists is disgusting.

Terrorist apologists make me sick.
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I don't know where revel is from, Ticomaya, and I sincerely pray it does not happen, but the only thing that might infuse her with understanding would be a horrific explosion in the market where she was shopping or, even worse, a bomb going off in the train or bus she was riding in.

Israelis have lived with such murderous terror for years. I cannot understand how Revel can write off the bombs in Night Clubs which tore people apart or the explosions in markets which killed women and children.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 10:44 pm
Ticomaya wrote:--commenting on Revel's post defending terrorists:

You aren't just "understanding" their cause. You are condoning their actions. Which include detonating nail bombs in crowded cafes in Isreal, killing as many innocent civilians as they can. That you condone the terrorists is disgusting.

Terrorist apologists make me sick.
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I don't know where revel is from, Ticomaya, and I sincerely pray it does not happen, but the only thing that might infuse her with understanding would be a horrific explosion in the market where she was shopping or, even worse, a bomb going off in the train or bus she was riding in.


This article below says it well:

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The Disorient
Volume CXXXI, Number 22
April 19, 2002



Judging the actions of terrorists
PATRICK ROCKEFELLER

In the most recent issue of the Disorient, a section was included that listed the number of Israelis killed versus the number of Palestinians killed in the current intifadah. The section claimed that 1256 Palestinians had died through the end of March, while 202 Israelis had been killed. Although the numbers were merely listed and not part of an article, the intent was clear: to show that Israel is the brutal, oppressive government and that the Palestinians are victims.


This is a prime example of moral equivalency. The suggestion is that Israel is at fault because more Palestinians have died in the conflict. However, such a conclusion ignores the fact that Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians started the intifadah, not the Israelis.


But numbers don't make a victim. For example, American soldiers killed more German soldiers in WWII, but I would hardly characterize the as Nazis "victims."


More importantly, such a conclusion trivializes the importance of the conflict. If 3,000 people died in the September 11 attacks, and the U.S. responded with military action in Afghanistan, does our fight become morally unjustifiable after the 3,001 Afghani death? U.S. military action was not an act of revenge; an eye for an eye. It was intended to eliminate the means of terror, and the numbers dead do not reflect a justification for the war.


Recently, the White House changed a small but important piece of its rhetoric. People who strap explosives to their chests and detonate them in public places will no longer be called suicide bombers, but homicide bombers. This nomenclature is much more accurate and ends another disturbing bit of moral equivalency.


Most people probably don't care what you call them, but the distinction is important to make because words are important. The title of "suicide bomber" suggests self-destruction and is linked to martyrdom. But the intent of these bombers is not to take their own lives-that is incidental. Their goal is to kill as many innocent Jews as they can. They are not making a demonstration of self-inflicted injury to protest a cause; they are killing others without giving value to their own lives.


These are not the monks who set themselves on fire to protest the Vietnam War. To equate those suicides-violent acts of protest affecting only the monks themselves-to the attacks of Palestinian homicide bombers-where the objective is to kill others-is ridiculous. Terrorists do not deserve that level of respect.


And that is what they are: terrorists. They are not "freedom fighters." To that statement, many will respond, "Who are we to judge whether or not they're freedom fighters?" This is a rhetorical statement that implies our position as "no better" and therefore unfit to cast judgment. "Who are we to judge?" is intended as a conversation-ender from those who support moral equivalency, the idea that American or Western culture is no better than any other, and may in fact be worse. In reality, it is the soft bigotry of low expectations masquerading as respect for different cultures.


The homicide bombers are terrorists. Who are we to judge this? We are a liberal democratic society based on freedom of speech, press, religion, and peaceful assembly. We believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We are successful economically, politically, and socially. We accept all people from all countries on Earth, regardless of race, creed or political belief, so long as they are willing to live here in peace.


The freedom fighter label would be so much easier to believe if they were fighting on behalf of a nation that would enforce or even endorse freedom. However, considering that the Palestinians' biggest supporters are repressive Islamofascist regimes, such a claim is difficult to validate.


Need an example? The BBC and other sources recently reported that the Mutaween, Saudi Arabia's religious police, beat back schoolgirls who were trying to escape from a fire in their school because they were not wearing the head scarves and robes that are required of them in public. Fifteen girls died.


Is the United States better than Saudi Arabia? You bet. Who are we to judge? We are a secular democracy with respect for the individual, who would rather allow schoolgirls to live than burn for lack of the proper clothing.

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Israelis have lived with such murderous terror for years. I cannot understand how Revel can write off the bombs in Night Clubs which tore people apart or the explosions in markets which killed women and children.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 02:47 am
BernardR wrote:
Freedom4 free left out a card--
THE ISLAMOFASCIST MURDERERS CARD.


The phrase Islamic-Fascism shows your ignorance. Let's define terms and eliminate oxymorons. Islam is a religion --theistic while Fascism is a political ideology that has atheism as one of its tenets. Thus, the phrase of Islamic - Fascist is a contradiction in terms, an oxymoron.

And it won't help to say that the Pres. of U.S. has used the phrase of Islamo - Fascism. He is one of the worst practioners of the English language that has ever occupied the White House.
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