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Lash wrote:

Did anyone else foresee an invasion? I can't imagine them having them manpower to invade.

Is anyone else sort of surprised even?

Right now Israel is only doing specific task ground missions then they will pull back, then go on another. It's a new tactic compared to the past few days.

I think they will do a full invasion if they think they need to.

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About an hour ago, Israel warned residents to "immediately" flee a nearly 30-kilometer swath of south Lebanon along the border.

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Brand X wrote:

Lash wrote:
Did anyone else foresee an invasion? I can't imagine them having them manpower to invade.

Is anyone else sort of surprised even?

Right now Israel is only doing specific task ground missions then they will pull back, then go on another. It's a new tactic compared to the past few days.

I think they will do a full invasion if they think they need to.

If Israel is not outright lying about their intentions, they must have a ful-scale ground war. Delete the Hezbollah from the border area and destroy all found military hardware. They may, eventually, do this but are currently shooting themselves in the foot by bombing the infrastructure of a fragile government/nation that has zero ability to comply with the demads of Israel.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

About an hour ago, Israel warned residents to "immediately" flee a nearly 30-kilometer swath of south Lebanon along the border.

Which probably mean that's the scope of buffer zone they want when this skirmish is over....or that's just how far they think they need to go to eradicate Hezbollah.

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When you say so.

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A corridor is being created for humanitarian aid to come in between Lebanon and Cyprus.

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How far will Israel take it this time? "The 1993 report by the US Office of Technology Assessment for
Congress states that Israel has "undeclared offensive chemical
warfare capabilities" and is "generally reported as having an
undeclared offensive biological warfare programme". The Sussex-
Harvard Information Bank on Chemical and Biological Warfare Armament
reports that Israel allegedly used poison gas in the 1960s and early
1980s, chemical warfare against Egyptian forces in 1948, and against
Palestinians in 1969 and during the first Intifada. The Sunday Times
reported in 1998 that Israel's F-16s had been equipped to carry
chemical and biological weapons manufactured at Nes Ziona, and that
crews were trained to fit an active chemical or biological weapon
within minutes of receiving a command." http://communication.ucsd.edu/911/massdestruction.html

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Supposedly 50% of Hezbollah's fire power has been taken out, but you never know.

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Lebanese army will fight invasion

Lebanon's army, which so far has sat on the sidelines of the violence raging in the country, will join the fight against Israel if Israeli forces invade the country, the defence minister has said. Speaking on al-Jazeera television the minister, Elias Murr, said: "We are waiting for them so that we can defend our land, honour and dignity. "The Lebanese army - and I stress - the Lebanese army will resist and defend and will prove that it is an army that deserves respect," he said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/TGD/tgdBreakingNewsDisplay/0,,3,00.html#2

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NY Times: Stench of death spreads thru Tyre...
As Lebanon bombing continues, the dead must wait

RAW STORY
Published: Thursday July 20, 2006

The New York Times is set to report Friday on deteriorating conditions in the Lebanese city of Tyre, RAW STORY has learned.

According to the Times:

Carpenters are running out of wood for coffins. Bodies are stacked three or four high in a truck at the local hospital morgue. The stench is spreading in the rubble.
The morbid reality of Israel's bombing campaign of the south is reaching almost every corner of this city. Just a few miles from the Rest House hotel, where the United Nations was evacuating civilians on Thursday, wild dogs gnawed at the charred remains of a family bombed as they were trying to escape the village of Hosh, officials said.
Officials at the Tyre Government Hospital inside a local Palestinian refugee camp said they counted the bodies of 50 children among the 115 in the refrigerated truck in the morgue, though their count could not be independently confirmed.
The Times states that because of bombed-out roads and bridges, few families have been able to make it to the hospital to claim their dead. Even those relatives who reach the morgue are unable to arrange for proper burials. The city is prepared to begin burying the dead in mass graves, and the Tyre morgue has ordered more than 100 coffins with special handles, so they can more easily be removed from the ground for reburial later.

Still other bodies remaining rotting along the roadsides, because the dangers of removing them are too great for emergency workers to risk.

Even the UN peacekeepers packed up and left Tyre on Thursday. As they departed, there were fears of an even heavier bombardment and rumors of a full-fledged Israeli invasion.

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Interesting article blueflame, the whole middle east (not sure how to term it) situation is so complex.

Since Lebanese civilians are getting killed the Lebanese army should join in the fighting to defend it's citizens and it's country or else by the time Israel gets done there might not be nothing left. There might not be anyway but at least they would have tried.

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revel wrote:

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Interesting article blueflame, the whole middle east (not sure how to term it) situation is so complex.

Since Lebanese civilians are getting killed the Lebanese army should join in the fighting to defend it's citizens and it's country or else by the time Israel gets done there might not be nothing left. There might not be anyway but at least they would have tried.

Yes they should get involved. But, I think that ends our agreement as I see Hezbollah being the enemy of Lebanon whereas you probably see it as Israel.

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What we're witnessing here is a failing of remedies set in motion in 2000.

Not enough support for Lebanon wich was marginalized by Hezbollah as UN 1559 had no teeth.

Iran and Syria's involvement not being dealt with.

I don't think for a miniute that Israel wants another 18 year ground occupation in Lebanon or even less but they have seen the last attempt of settling Lebanon, without it inhabiting a threat to Israel, has been at best a delay.

They are reforming the buffer zone they occupied once before and calling up reserves, the writing is on the wall for what the near future holds for Lebanon. Deja vu.

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Saudi fatwa: Don't support Hizbullah

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McGentrix wrote:

revel wrote:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2157589#2157589

Interesting article blueflame, the whole middle east (not sure how to term it) situation is so complex.

Since Lebanese civilians are getting killed the Lebanese army should join in the fighting to defend it's citizens and it's country or else by the time Israel gets done there might not be nothing left. There might not be anyway but at least they would have tried.

Yes they should get involved. But, I think that ends our agreement as I see Hezbollah being the enemy of Lebanon whereas you probably see it as Israel.

Actually I see both as being the enemy of innocent citizens caught in the crossfire.

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Brand X wrote:

What we're witnessing here is a failing of remedies set in motion in 2000.

Not enough support for Lebanon wich was marginalized by Hezbollah as UN 1559 had no teeth.

Iran and Syria's involvement not being dealt with.

I don't think for a miniute that Israel wants another 18 year ground occupation in Lebanon or even less but they have seen the last attempt of settling Lebanon, without it inhabiting a threat to Israel, has been at best a delay.

They are reforming the buffer zone they occupied once before and calling up reserves, the writing is on the wall for what the near future holds for Lebanon. Deja vu.

Oh, yes, everything back to clinton.

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revel wrote:

Brand X wrote:
What we're witnessing here is a failing of remedies set in motion in 2000.

Not enough support for Lebanon wich was marginalized by Hezbollah as UN 1559 had no teeth.

Iran and Syria's involvement not being dealt with.

I don't think for a miniute that Israel wants another 18 year ground occupation in Lebanon or even less but they have seen the last attempt of settling Lebanon, without it inhabiting a threat to Israel, has been at best a delay.

They are reforming the buffer zone they occupied once before and calling up reserves, the writing is on the wall for what the near future holds for Lebanon. Deja vu.

Oh, yes, everything back to clinton.

Odd, I don't see any mention of Clinton, but I do see reference to the 2000 pullout of Israeli troops from lebanon.

Do you always jump to the wrong conclusions, or just here?

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revel wrote:

Brand X wrote:
What we're witnessing here is a failing of remedies set in motion in 2000.

Not enough support for Lebanon wich was marginalized by Hezbollah as UN 1559 had no teeth.

Iran and Syria's involvement not being dealt with.

I don't think for a miniute that Israel wants another 18 year ground occupation in Lebanon or even less but they have seen the last attempt of settling Lebanon, without it inhabiting a threat to Israel, has been at best a delay.

They are reforming the buffer zone they occupied once before and calling up reserves, the writing is on the wall for what the near future holds for Lebanon. Deja vu.

Oh, yes, everything back to clinton.

That's not where I was going at all, darling.

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Since Clinton was president in 2000 it is not a wrong conclusion to jump to.

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