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dyslexia wrote:

ican wrote:
When was it determined that Palestinians were a race of humans? never.

bizarre.

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ican is an expert at bizarre - on most threads he bothers to participate in. He just doesn't realize that the majority of people disagree with him on most issues, but he is a "fighter." A stubborn one with his head usually up his arse (in the dark).

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old europe wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
old europe wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Why do the media love the Palestinians?

That sounds quite racist to me. If you had said something like "Why does the media love Palestinian terrorists" or "Why does the media love radical Palestinians" or something along those lines... that would still be a loaded question, but rather neutral concerning any inherent racism.

Just imagine your reaction if somebody would ask "Why do people love Jews?" Would you be offended?

Really, your argument does not profit when your racism becomes that evident.

Racism

When was it determined that Palestinians were a race of humans?

Answer? Never!

It never was determined that Jews were a race of humans. It never was determined that Arians were a race of humans.

Would you therefore say that the Nazi regime was not racist?

YES! The Nazi regime was not racist. The Nazi regime was evil. The Nazi regime mass murdered non-murderers. The Nazi regime was a mass murdering terrorist state. The Nazis regime was genocidal. The Nazis regime was not racist anymore than the mass murdering al-Qaeda are racist! Al-Qaeda, too, is genocidal.

genocide: "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political or cultural group."

race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

racism: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

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Maybe the experts here can explain something. The Fatah and Hamas sects fight for dominance, and the latter determines that it would be a good move to rocket Israel to gain its involvement. What is the logic for this?

Israel, the recipient of hundreds of rockets, retaliates with artillery and its own rockets. Who would do otherwise?

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Holy Crapola Ican, I believe you've topped yourself for idiotic statements.

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race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

The only division of mankind is MANKIND; there is no other distinct type than Homo sapiens sapiens.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
ican wrote:
When was it determined that Palestinians were a race of humans? never.

bizarre.
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ican is an expert at bizarre - on most threads he bothers to participate in. He just doesn't realize that the majority of people disagree with him on most issues, but he is a "fighter." A stubborn one with his head usually up his arse (in the dark).

Rebut my arguments but not the location of my head ... if you can. Otherwise, what you have posted here and other places about me are tantamount to admissions that you cannot rebut my arguments.

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dys, That's typical ican post; crapola.

ican, Most everyone challenges your posts; there's a good reason for this. Only you can't figure out why. I just gave up trying to talk sense to someone like you who doesn't understand any issue as understood by most people with common sense and objectivity.

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CI, should Ican have views opposed to you, and some others here, it is almost a sure indication that he is correct.

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Opposing views are fine, but you can't fix stupid; sample ican post: race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

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ican711nm wrote:

YES! The Nazi regime was not racist.

Well, the Nazis themselves apparently thought otherwise. You might want to start reading here:
Racial policy of Nazi Germany

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The Racial Policy of Nazi Germany refers to the policies and laws implemented by Nazi Germany, asserting the superiority of the so-called "Aryan race" and based on a specific racist doctrine which claimed scientific legitimity. It was combined with an eugenics programme aimed at achieving "racial purity" of the "Aryan race", using compulsory sterilizations and extermination of specific minorities, culminating in the Holocaust. The Nazi ideology and policies targeted first of all Jews, who were considered as the most "inferior races" of all, on a hierarchy which included Jews at the bottom and the "Herrenvolk" ("Master race") of the "Volksgemeinschaft" (German "national community") at the top.

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dyslexia wrote:

Holy Crapola Ican, I believe you've topped yourself for idiotic statements.

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race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

The only division of mankind is MANKIND; there is no other distinct type than Homo sapiens sapiens.

I agree! But we are discussing the word race in the context of the word racism or racist. Racists don't agree with you and me.

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/
Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsizm
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French racisme, from race + -isme -ism
1 : the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : RACIALISM 1

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ican711nm wrote:

The Nazi regime was not racist.

Advocate wrote:

CI, should Ican have views opposed to you, and some others here, it is almost a sure indication that he is correct.

Really?

Do you agree with him that the Nazis weren't racists?

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Another typical post by ican - the genius.

ican711nm wrote:

YES! The Nazi regime was not racist.

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ican711nm wrote:

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/
Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsizm
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French racisme, from race + -isme -ism
1 : the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : RACIALISM 1

ican, you seem to forget that the Nazis saw the Jews as a biological race. That was what the infamous Nuremburg Laws were based on.

Here, have a look:

http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~rar4619/Images/chart.jpg

The terminology was about the "Jewish race" and the "Aryan race". Nazi ideology made use of the framework of "scientific racism", of "racial hygiene" or eugenics: compulsory sterilizations and extermination of "unfit" life and of specific minorities, etc.

Eugenics advocates included physicians, public health officials, and academics in the biomedical fields, on the political left and right. Serving on government committees and conducting research on heredity, experts warned that if the nation did not produce more fit children, it was headed for extinction.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Opposing views are fine, but you can't fix stupid; sample ican post: race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

That's what I get for transcribing my old Webster's Collegiate Dictionary's definition. Here's the Merriam-Webster on-line definition of race.

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www.m-w.com
Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

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ican, Was that dictionary written by a neanderthal?

FYI, there's only one human race.

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ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Opposing views are fine, but you can't fix stupid; sample ican post: race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

That's what I get for transcribing my old Webster's Collegiate Dictionary's definition. Here's the Merriam-Webster on-line definition of race.

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www.m-w.com
Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

Sure, but why would it be left to you to determine in which sense the word race would be used? What about definition (2b) of your source:

- a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>

In that sense, referring to "the Palestinian race" or "the Jewish race" would probably be correct, too....

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old europe wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/
Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsizm
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French racisme, from race + -isme -ism
1 : the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : RACIALISM 1

ican, you seem to forget that the Nazis saw the Jews as a biological race. That was what the infamous Nuremburg Laws were based on.
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There you go again with your mis-assumptions. I know the Nazis saw the Jews as a biological race. They were wrong. The Jews, Arabs, et al are not biological races. The Nazis were genocidal maniacs who defended their genocide with false assertions about the Jews being a biological race. That's why I claim the Nazis were genocides and not racists.

Yes, the Nazis were genocides and not merely racists.

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ican711nm wrote:

There you go again with your mis-assumptions. I know the Nazis saw the Jews as a biological race. They were wrong. The Jews, Arabs, et al are not biological races. The Nazis were genocidal maniacs who defended their genocide with false assertions about the Jews being a biological race. That's why I claim the Nazis were genocides and not racists.

Yes, the Nazis were genocides and not merely racists.

Sorry about my mis-assumptions. Maybe you should be more careful about what you want to say. I can kind of agree with your last sentence.

However, I will probably continue to call people racists if they discriminate against others, merely because those belong to a specific group or minority or ethnicity.

The Nazis did that, and therefore they were racists. They killed those they discriminated against, and therefore they were, in your words, "genocides".

Works for me.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

ican, Was that dictionary written by a neanderthal?

FYI, there's only one human race.

Ahaa! You are a racist thinking you are superior to neanderthals. Laughing

Yes, there is only one human race and Palestinians et al are certainly not a race.

Pay attention (emphasis added by me to help you do that). This was previously posted two pages ago:

ican711nm wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Holy Crapola Ican, I believe you've topped yourself for idiotic statements.

Quote:
race: "a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

The only division of mankind is MANKIND; there is no other distinct type than Homo sapiens sapiens.

I agree! But we are discussing the word race in the context of the word racism or racist. Racists don't agree with you and me.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/
Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsizm
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French racisme, from race + -isme -ism
1 : the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : RACIALISM 1

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ican711nm wrote:

Yes, there is only one human race and Palestinians et al are certainly not a race.

That's it. I'll never again call Advocate a racist.

Instead, I'll call him a supremacist.

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