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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 11:41 am
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McGentrix wrote:

I don't see how you have come to this conclusion Walter.


Okay, you're right. I should have formulated my response differently.


ican711nm wrote:
While I doubt the military did not know anything, they apparently were greatly limited in their knowledge of where the hell the Hezbollah rockets aimed at Israel were actually located.


You might be right. I don't know more as what is reported in the media. Therefore

I wrote:
Besides that (see above quotes and today's & yesterday's Haaretz and Jerusalem Post)) the military didn't know anything (they say) and were uninformed (they say).
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 06:47 pm
The point is that there was no evidence that Israel planned to attack Lebanon without provocation. There is only evidence that Israel had a plan on the drawing board for invading/dealing with Lebanon. They did not attack without provocation however.

Planning an attack and the decision to execute one are not necessarily the same thing.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 01:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:

Planning an attack and the decision to execute one are not necessarily the same thing.


Correct. But Olmert (and the Israleian government) always had said that they didn't want to attack Lebanon.

In his testimony on Feb. 1, Olmert told the commission that he held numerous meetings long before the war to discuss a possible conflict with Hezbollah.
Olmert said Sharon had asked the army to prepare a list of Lebanese targets after a failed kidnapping attempt by Hezbollah in November 2005, Haaretz said.


Olmert told the commission that the decision to respond to a kidnapping with a broad military operation was made at a meeting in March, four months before the war.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 06:30 am
Planning a strategy in response to an attack and wanting to attack are not the same thing, however. As previously stated, the USA has contingency plans for just about every scenario for war imaginable. That doesn't mean anybody hopes to use them or wants to use them. In the same way, I don't see any inconsistency in Olmert's testimony and the action Israel took in retaliation to a hostile act.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 01:21 pm
Goodness. Productive discussions with N Korea, then engagement with Iran and Syria in more discussions, now this. It looks like this administration can make some sane decisions after all. Or maybe it is just law of averages. In any case, it does seem as if the war mongers are losing some ground.

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JERUSALEM (AP) -- Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Sunday said he was ready to ''treat seriously'' a dormant Saudi initiative calling for a comprehensive peace agreement between Israel and the Arab world in exchange for a full Israeli withdrawal from lands captured in the 1967 Mideast War.

Olmert spoke to his Cabinet ahead of a meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, the leaders' second summit in the past month.

Both sides acknowledged they expected no major breakthroughs ahead of the formation of a new Palestinian government in the coming weeks.

The talks, following an inconclusive meeting on Feb. 19 attended by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, are part of U.S.-backed efforts to prod the sides to a return to peace talks.

The Saudi peace initiative, which aimed to solve the Palestinian issue by offering Israel a comprehensive peace, was first proposed in 2002 but never got off the ground. It is expected to be high on the agenda at an Arab League summit later this month in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Israel-Arabs.html?_r=1&oref=login
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 06:43 pm
Dems abandon war authority provision
AP - 1 hour, 13 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday from an attempt to limit President Bush's authority for taking military action against Iran as the leadership concentrated on a looming confrontation with the White House over the Iraq war.
link
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 06:46 pm
Fox really wrote: As previously stated, the USA has contingency plans for just about every scenario for war imaginable.

Is that the reason why Iraq is in such a huge quagmire?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 06:51 am
Quote:
Israel has recalled its ambassador to El Salvador after police found him drunk, naked and tied up with sex bondage paraphernalia in the garden of his residence.

The envoy, Tsuriel Raphael, identified himself to police after a rubber ball was taken out of his mouth, according to Israeli media reports.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2352781.ece

Spank me, you big spanish nazi bitch.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 10:54 am
blueflame1 wrote:
Dems abandon war authority provision
AP - 1 hour, 13 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday from an attempt to limit President Bush's authority for taking military action against Iran as the leadership concentrated on a looming confrontation with the White House over the Iraq war.
link


Bunch of blowhearted wimps, huh, blueflame.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 10:59 am
Everyones afraid of Israel. Everyone is trying their damnest to suck up to Israel; Obama, Clinton, Bush,......

When it comes to the Middle East I wonder who runs this country, Americans or Israel.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 11:09 am
xingu, Haven't you figured that out yet? LOL
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2007 03:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, Haven't you figured that out yet? LOL


Ya, that's pretty sad. Like it or not, as big and bad as we like to think we are it's tiny Israel that calls the shots in the Middle East.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2007 06:10 pm
Condi on top

Quote:
Finally, she's wrested control of U.S. foreign policy from Dick Cheney. But if she can't hold on, get ready for an attack on Iran.

* By John Heilemann


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worth reading in whole

and worth watching her progress
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Mar, 2007 03:03 am
Israel meanwhile struggles with refugees from Sudan, saying, "it must be cautious with infiltrators from Sudan, a country listed by the U.S. as a sponsor of terrorism and suspected of being a base for Al-Qaeda and Palestinian militant groups".

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"Some incarcerated, some confined to kibbutzes, the Sudanese have posed an ethical dilemma for Israel, a country created as a haven for Jews in the aftermath of the Holocaust and now faced with the arrival of refugees from another genocide."


Full report at Chicago Tribune.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 05:06 pm
US warplanes kill British soldiers- "a criminal act" says court.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1524626.ece
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 02:46 pm
Iran's Operative in the White House
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If an 18-year-old American soldier were caught slipping obscure military paperwork to Iranian spies, he would be arrested, pilloried in the news media and tossed into prison for years.

But in fact there's an American who has provided services of incalculably greater value to Iran in recent years. So you have to wonder: Is Dick Cheney an Iranian mole?

Consider that the Bush administration's first major military intervention was to overthrow Afghanistan's Taliban regime, Iran's bitter foe to the east. Then the administration toppled Iran's even worse enemy to the west, the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq.

You really think that's just a coincidence? That of all 193 nations in the world, we just happen to topple the two neighboring regimes that Iran despises?

Moreover, consider how our invasion of Iraq went down. The U.S. dismantled Iraq's army, broke the Baath Party and helped install a pro-Iranian government in Baghdad. If Iran's ayatollahs had written the script, they couldn't have done better ? so maybe they did write the script ...

We fought Iraq, and Iran won. And that's just another coincidence?

Or think about broader Bush administration policies in the Middle East. For six years, the White House vigorously backed Israeli hard-liners and refused to engage seriously in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, thus nurturing anti-Americanism and religious fundamentalism. Then last summer, the White House backed Israel's invasion of Lebanon, which turned Iran's proxies in Hezbollah into street heroes in much of the Arab world.

Consider also the way the administration has systematically antagonized our former allies in Europe and Asia, undermining chances of a united front to block Iranian development of nuclear weapons. Mr. Cheney may nominally push for sanctions against Iran, but by alienating our allies he makes strong sanctions harder to achieve.

And by condoning torture and extralegal detentions in Guantánamo, the White House antagonized Muslims around the world and made us look like hypocrites when we criticize Arab or Iranian human rights abuses. Take Mr. Cheney's endorsement of the torture known as waterboarding, which simulates drowning: "It's a no-brainer for me," he said. The torturers in Iran's Evin prison must have cheered. They got a pass as well.

Even at home, Iran's leaders have been bolstered by President Bush and Mr. Cheney. Iran's hard-liners are hugely unpopular and the regime is wobbly, but Bush administration policies have inflamed Iranian nationalism and given cover to the hard-line president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Why focus on Dick Cheney rather than his boss? Partly because Mr. Cheney, even more than Mr. Bush, has systematically pushed an extreme agenda that has transparently served Iranian purposes. And domestically, his role in the Scooter Libby scandal ? and his disgraceful refusal to explain just what he was doing at the crime scene ? ended up paralyzing executive decision-making and humiliating our government.

Is that really just one more coincidence? Or could it be another case of Mr. Cheney's following instructions from his Iranian bosses to damage America?

O.K., O.K. Of course, all this is absurd. Mr. Cheney isn't an Iranian mole. Nor is he a North Korean mole, though his we-don't-negotiate-with-evil policy toward North Korea has resulted in that country's quadrupling its nuclear arsenal. It's also unlikely that he is an Al Qaeda mole, even though Al Qaeda now has an important new base of support in Iraq.

Like Kennedy and Johnson wading into Vietnam, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney harmed American interests not out of malice but out of ineptitude. I concede that they honestly wanted the best for America, but we still ended up getting the worst.

So what are the lessons from this episode?

Our national interests are as vulnerable to incompetence as to malicious damage. So we must identify and abandon the policies that backfired so catastrophically. The common threads of those damaging policies are clear: a refusal to negotiate with "evil"; an aggressive willingness to use military force to solve problems; contempt for our allies; and the bending of legal and moral principles to allow indefinite detention and even torture, particularly for anyone with olive skin and a Muslim name.

Whenever we've suspected a mole in our midst, we've gone to extreme lengths to find the traitor. This time, betrayed not by a mole but by failed policies, let's be just as resolute. It's time to uproot policies that in the last half-dozen years have damaged American interests incomparably more than any mole or foreign spy ever has in the last 200 years.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 02:52 pm
March 16, 2007
America's Clear and Present Danger
By Kathleen Parker <http>

As presidential candidates try to stake out an electable position on the war in Iraq, Americans are justified in wondering: Is it reality, or is it just politics?

Can anyone's judgment be trusted during an election cycle?

Some measure of comfort may be found in the dual reality that is Washington. What you see on TV isn't necessarily what you get away from the cameras. Off the set, honest discussions about Iraq and the war on terror have a different tone and content than one might expect based on the gibbering of talking heads. Even pundits are sometimes of a different mind off-camera than on. There's no underestimating the power of peer pressure in the green room.

Serious people, in fact, are increasingly concerned that our media-driven political environment makes honest debate impossible. Iraq has become a case in point.

Is bringing home the troops in our national security interest, or is it merely politically comfortable and expedient?

Behind closed doors, more-honest debates are taking place among Republicans and Democrats, led in part by members of the recently resurrected Committee on the Present Danger.

Its Tom Clancyish title is not far removed from its purpose, which is to strategically fight the bad guys -- through education and advocacy rather than espionage. Members include such familiar names as Sens. (and honorary co-chairs) Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., and the co-chairs, former CIA Director James Woolsey and former Secretary of State George P. Shultz. Among international members are Jose Maria Aznar, former prime minister of Spain, and Vaclav Havel, former president of the Czech Republic. (For more information, go to fightingterror.org)

Originally formed in the 1950s as a bipartisan education and advocacy group to deal with Soviet expansionism, the committee was reorganized early this year to address the global threat of "Islamist totalitarianism'' -- the committee's new name for our enemy.

Part of the committee's concern has been the Bush administration's failure both to adequately communicate our mission and to properly name the enemy. Our war is not against "terror,'' but against a specific enemy -- a virulent, religion-based ideology.

Not all of Islam, we always hasten to add, but Islam as distorted and hijacked by radicals.

Although most of the committee's efforts will be focused on educating Congress, a broader goal is to break through the politically correct sensitivity about religion that prevents us from confronting the real enemy.

Lawrence Haas, vice president of policy for the committee, explains that we need to enhance recognition of this danger among members of both parties. "But first and foremost, we need to make it acceptable and then respectable particularly for Democrats to talk about this problem.''

As Haas put it: "We need to make Lieberman less lonely. And we need to expand the circle of Scoop Jackson Democrats.''

Haas, who served as director of communications for Vice President Al Gore and then for the Clinton Office of Management and Budget, is one of those Democrats mugged by reality on 9/11. Now a visiting senior fellow at Georgetown University's Government Affairs Institute, Haas says Americans are in denial about the present danger and that Congress is complicit in that denial.

Simply put, the present danger is a worldwide threat from radical Islamist terrorism that has a strong state sponsorship component, an overt and covert military component, and an "insidious peaceful component" that is now present in the United States.

That is to say, peacefully and without much notice, Islamists are trying to use our laws of tolerance against us to carve out exceptions for themselves. The radical Islamist faction that has infiltrated and intimidated Europe has found a home in our polite denial.

The question is: Do we wait until, say, a documentary filmmaker critical of Islam is stabbed to death in the street -- as happened to Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh?

Or do we risk hurt feelings and start talking honestly now?

Haas and other committee members are betting on the "now.'' Toward that end -- and behind closed doors -- Bernard Lewis, Princeton University historian of Islam and the Middle East, recently addressed a few dozen senators, House members and staff.

The hope is that as congressional leaders begin to feel less isolated, they'll become more comfortable being honest on-camera. Critical to those discussions is recognition that leaving Iraq is not an option.

"Whatever you thought before the war, it is now linked to the present danger,'' says Haas. "We simply cannot walk away. We have to keep our eye on the ball.''

And, preferably, keep the ball out of our enemies' court.

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(c) 2007, Washington Post Writers Group
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Americanadian
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 08:51 pm
blatham wrote:
Ellinas wrote:
It looks like Syria IS going to be next:



Humorous cartoon? Maybe to some. An accurate portrayal of the forces driving present US policies? Only to someone who needs an easy, simple-minded answer and who doesn't put in the effort to understand the issues.

The interests of Kadima, even Likud, are far broader than this cheap cartoon suggests. And the forces driving the policies of the US magnitudes greater.

I'm no fan of Bush policies, nor of Sharon's legacy or Israel's crimes, but this cartoon is racist and demonstrates the stupidity that racism always demonstrates.


Perhaps not. It simply denotes the fact that American Foreign policy is dictated by the Zionist lobby group in America. Does AIPAC ring a bell?
Indubitably the most powerful lobbying group in America.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 12:00 pm
Is this the result of Bush leaning on Mushie?

Pakistan looking for AQ types to kill?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 12:35 pm
Americanadian wrote:
blatham wrote:
Ellinas wrote:
It looks like Syria IS going to be next:



Humorous cartoon? Maybe to some. An accurate portrayal of the forces driving present US policies? Only to someone who needs an easy, simple-minded answer and who doesn't put in the effort to understand the issues.

The interests of Kadima, even Likud, are far broader than this cheap cartoon suggests. And the forces driving the policies of the US magnitudes greater.

I'm no fan of Bush policies, nor of Sharon's legacy or Israel's crimes, but this cartoon is racist and demonstrates the stupidity that racism always demonstrates.


Perhaps not. It simply denotes the fact that American Foreign policy is dictated by the Zionist lobby group in America. Does AIPAC ring a bell?
Indubitably the most powerful lobbying group in America.

Malarkey!

Here's one of several more powerful lobbying groups in America:
GEORGE SOROS in his 1995 book, page 145, [i]Soros on Soros[/i], wrote:
I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.


Michael Kaufman in his biography of George Soros, page 293, [i]Soros [/i], wrote:
My goal is to become the conscience of the world


Sam Hananel in his associated Press article, December 10, 2004, wrote:
On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."
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