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Foxfyre wrote:

repeated from what apparently originated on an anti-Israel pro-Islam site

Well, it's the first time that I've heard the German Press Agency (dpa) to be labeled "anti-Israel pro Islam".

But you certainly might be correct with your opinion.

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Why wouldn't the people of Lebanon think it "suspicious?" How would you have reacted if you lived in Lebanon?

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Foxfyre, "New and unknown deadly weapons used by Israeli forces
'direct energy' weapons, chemical and/or biological agents suspected in a macabre experiment of future warfare" link

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Why Israel will not have peace until they realize military might is not the answer.

Fawzi Barhoum, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, called Monday's attack a "natural response" to Israeli military policies in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as its ongoing boycott of the Hamas-led Palestinian government. "So long as there is occupation, resistance is legitimate," he said.

He also said attacks on Israel were preferable to the recent bout of Palestinian infighting in Gaza between his group and the more moderate Fatah Party of President Mahmoud Abbas. "The right thing is for Fatah weapons to be directed toward the occupation not toward Hamas," Barhoum said.

In the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya, a large crowd gathered outside the bomber's home to praise the attack. "Mohammed be happy. You will go directly to heaven," the crowd chanted, while children held pictures of the bomber. He looked pensive in one image, and held a machine gun in another.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Why Israel will not have peace until they realize military might is not the answer.

Malarkey! Every agreement the Israelies negotiate with the Palestinian Arabs is followed by the Palestinian Arabs committing more mass murder of Israelies. The truth is, the Palestinian Arabs negotiate with the Israelies for only one reason: to fool the Israelies into thinking the Palestinian Arabs do not really want Israel destroyed, and thereby to fool the Israelies into relaxing their defenses.

Israel will finally get some peace only after it exterminates the Palestinian Arabs.

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You may not be a bloodthirsty racist, Ican, but you write words as if you are. I find it to be despicable.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

You may not be a bloodthirsty racist, Ican, but you write words as if you are. I find it to be despicable.

Cycloptichorn

You are probably the only that cares, but thanks for sharing.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

You may not be a bloodthirsty racist, Ican, but you write words as if you are. I find it to be despicable.

Cycloptichorn

Leave your emotions out of the discussion and answer this...

Can you name one agreement that the Israeli's have made with the palestinians that hasnt been followed by more attacks by the Palestinians on Israel?

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ican711nm wrote:

Israel will finally get some peace only after it exterminates the Palestinian Arabs.

So this is the banner that ican, McGentrix and mysteryman rally behind.

ican calls for the extermination of the Palestinian Arabs, for the genocide of a whole people.

And McGentrix tells us we shouldn't care.

And mysteryman says we should leave our emotions out of this.

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Ican did NOT call for the extermination of the Palestinian Arabs and it is thoroughly disingenuous to twist his statement as if he had. GeorgeOb1 has said as much with his pessimistic view that there will be no peace as neither side is willing to accommodate what is necessary to achieve it. Would you have been as incensed at a statement that peace would result from extermination of the Israelis? That statement would also be accurate.

I think ALL of us on the conservative side agree that if it comes down to killing Arab (or any other) terrorists versus those terrorists killing or targeting innocent men, women, and children, we vote for killing the terrorists. I don't know any one of us who suggests that all or even the majority of Arabs, Palestinian or otherwise, are terrorists.

I also think all of us are in agreement that peace would be the result if the Palestinians stopped the terrorist attacks. I may or may not be alone in my opinion that if the Palestinians stop the terrorist attacks, there will be far more accommodation of and less discrimination directed by Israel toward the peaceful Palestinians.

I do think there is no way around a Step 1 of the Palestinians ceasing terrorist attacks and ceasing threats to wipe Israel off the face of the earth before any peace process will have any chance.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Ican did NOT call for the extermination of the Palestinian Arabs and it is thoroughly disingenuous to twist his statement as if he had.

You are correct:

He wrote that. And gave only a personal statement, an idea, a thesis ...

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Foxfyre wrote:

Ican did NOT call for the extermination of the Palestinian Arabs and it is thoroughly disingenuous to twist his statement as if he had.

What a twisted mind must somebody have to even attempt to spin ican's statement into something else. ican's statement was not a hypothetical, harmless "if all the Arab Palestinians would just move away, then Israel could get some peace", and you're making a fool out of yourself by trying to paint it that way. I'm not going to judge ican's mindset, but I'm certainly going to judge his statement here,

Foxfyre wrote:

Israel will finally get some peace only after it exterminates the Palestinian Arabs.

where he clearly calls for genocide of a whole people. You're right, he added the qualifier that the genocide would be necessary as a precondition for peace for Israel.

Maybe I'm overreacting when I read statements like those, and maybe the reason is my cultural background. So please take into consideration that I come from a continent where some people, merely decades ago, called for the extermination of the Jewish people as the precondition that the population could finally live in peace, and followed through with those statements.

What really shocks me though is that you, McGentrix and mysteryman don't seem to have any problem at all with ican's statement - and rather think they have to defend him in the face of the racist garbage he posted here.

And yes, I would just be as incensed if someone had made a post that the extermination of all Israelis would be a prerequisite for peace for the Palestinians, and a number of other regular A2K posters would have chimed in in agreement.

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What really shocks me though is that you, McGentrix and mysteryman don't seem to have any problem at all with ican's statement

Doesn't shock me. You need to pay closer attention to these guys.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Doesn't shock me. You need to pay closer attention to these guys.

Cycloptichorn

The two things are not mutually exclusive. It's like knowing somebody killed small furry animals as a kid, and still being shocked when he runs amok and kills twenty people.

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old europe wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Doesn't shock me. You need to pay closer attention to these guys.

Cycloptichorn

The two things are not mutually exclusive. It's like knowing somebody killed small furry animals as a kid, and still being shocked when he runs amok and kills twenty people.

I accept that. Let me amend my earlier statement to say: I am shocked, but not surprised.

The part where Fox claims that reality isn't actually reality is actually sort of funny, in a sad way.

Cycloptichorn

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old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Ican did NOT call for the extermination of the Palestinian Arabs and it is thoroughly disingenuous to twist his statement as if he had.

What a twisted mind must somebody have to even attempt to spin ican's statement into something else. ican's statement was not a hypothetical, harmless "if all the Arab Palestinians would just move away, then Israel could get some peace", and you're making a fool out of yourself by trying to paint it that way. I'm not going to judge ican's mindset, but I'm certainly going to judge his statement here,

The statement was politically incorrect, possibly, which is something that doesn't bother most conservatives while it usually sets liberals on their ear. But the statement was accurate. Even you agree with that.

It was not advocating genocide of anybody. It was simply stating a reality as one member saw it.

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Foxfyre wrote:
Israel will finally get some peace only after it exterminates the Palestinian Arabs.

where he clearly calls for genocide of a whole people. You're right, he added the qualifier that the genocide would be necessary as a precondition for peace for Israel.

Foxfyre is neither a 'he' nor did SHE write that. But if she had, she was not be calling for genocide of anybody, She would have been making a statement of fact as Ican did.

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Maybe I'm overreacting when I read statements like those, and maybe the reason is my cultural background. So please take into consideration that I come from a continent where some people, merely decades ago, called for the extermination of the Jewish people as the precondition that the population could finally live in peace, and followed through with those statements.

What really shocks me though is that you, McGentrix and mysteryman don't seem to have any problem at all with ican's statement - and rather think they have to defend him in the face of the racist garbage he posted here.

Yes you are overreacting and your cultural background is no excuse for changing a person's words into what they would mean if YOU said them so that you can judge somebody you don't like who clearly did not say what you seem to want him to have said.. I have been watching Ican's posts for awhile now, and I defy you to cite a single racist statement he has made.

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And yes, I would just be as incensed if someone had made a post that the extermination of all Israelis would be a prerequisite for peace for the Palestinians, and a number of other regular A2K posters would have chimed in in agreement.

Really? I see most pro-Palestinian A2K posters as expressing little or no sympathy for Israel whatsoever and casting the huge lion's share of blame onto Israel for the problems in the Middle East. Yet just the same, it is an accurate statement that if Israel is exterminated or otherwise ceases to exist, then there will be peace between Israel and Palestine.

I don't agree with Ican that these are the only options that would produce peace any more than I agree with GeorgeOb1's pessimistic view of the situation. I believe peace is possible by simply eliminating the Palestinian terrorists. Nobody else seems to agree with me that this is the logical solution to the problem however, andI accept that I am a lone voice toward that end.

But I don't for a minute think Ican was being racist with his opinion.

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But the statement was accurate. Even you agree with that.

This statement?

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Israel will finally get some peace only after it exterminates the Palestinian Arabs.

Another who thinks that peace comes through mass murder. You disgust me as well.

The moral failings of Bush supporters are easier to see nowadays then they used to be; you can tell the sane ones from the insane ones by judging how quickly they jump off of the crashing bus.

Cycloptichorn

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"In Palestine, Israel's brutal policies involve permanent injuries to individuals, sadistic torture, rapes and deliberate executions of innocent Palestinians, including school children and political leaders. Today, more than 4 million Palestinians live on less than 20 percent of what was once the British Mandate of Palestine. They are pushed into disconnected ghettoes control and denied freedom of movement by the Israeli Occupation Force (IOF). Gaza is a large prison with more than 1.2 million impoverished and hungry Palestinians. According to the World Bank, Gaza is experiencing the worst depression in history caused by Israeli blockade and restrictions. More than 10,000 Palestinians are illegally imprisoned in Israeli-run prisons without charge. Another 4-6 million Palestinians are languishing in refugee camps in Syria, Jordan and Lebanon unable to return to their homeland. The aim is to fractionate and exterminate the Palestinian community while the rest of the world looking the other way.

Israeli revisionist historian Benny Morris, who advocated the expulsion of all Palestinians from Palestine because he thinks Palestinians are Untermenschen or "lesser humans" than Jews has admitted (recently) that Israel "founded on brute force, repression and fear, collaboration and treachery, beating and torture chambers and daily intimidation, humiliation and manipulation" together with the stealing of Palestinian land and water resources. The situation has not changed since. Israel continues the dispossession and the systematic process of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people with unquestionable support of the US administrations." http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan290306.htm

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Foxfyre wrote:

It was not advocating genocide of anybody. It was simply stating a reality as one member saw it.

Saying "The Palestinian Arabs will finally get some peace only after they exterminate all the Jews" is advocating genocide and racist.

Saying "The Israelis will finally get some peace only after they exterminate all the Palestinian Arabs" is advocating genocide and racist.

It may be "a reality as somebody sees it", but it is a point of view that includes the advocation of genocide and racism. Calling this a "statement of fact" is the equivalence of putting lipstick on a pig.

Arguing that other people have said things about Israel that you don't like doesn't change ican's statement one bit.

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You got that right, old europe. Some people would deny anything by word play and psycho-babble.

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