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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 23 Sep, 2006 10:26 am
Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder-A Glimpse Into Israeli Collective Psychosis

By: Gilad Atzmon


http://www.amin.org/look/amin/en.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=7&NrArticle=37079&NrIssue=1&NrSection=3
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 23 Sep, 2006 09:59 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder-A Glimpse Into Israeli Collective Psychosis

By: Gilad Atzmon


http://www.amin.org/look/amin/en.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=7&NrArticle=37079&NrIssue=1&NrSection=3

Gilad Atzmon wrote:

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For those who still fail to see it, we are dealing here with a severe mad case of a State that is reaching the very peak of its collective psychotic phase. For those who tend to forget, this mentally disordered national entity possesses a vast nuclear arsenal, and it has its belly full of deadly intentions. We are horrified and so we should be. We can see them bullying the entire Middle East. We are encircled by their merciless hedonism and self-righteousness and there is very little for us to do except pray for divine intervention.


Israel has been threatened with distruction since its declaration of independence in 1948. Israel's enemies have waged war on Israel since its declaration of independence in 1948.

I suggest that the obvious cure for Israel's alleged "psychotic phase" is:
(1) for Israel to stop being threatened with distruction; and,
(2) for Israel's enemies to stop waging war on Israel.

I bet those two changes will do wonders. In fact, those two changes probably will begin a process wherein Israel can actually begin to help cure the Arab "slay [the infidel] wherever you find them" psychosis.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:36 am
Jewish bankers control the world's economy and the World Bank. They are among the strongest backers of Israel. They have caused the misery and poverty of the people of the Middle East in most cases.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 04:43 am
Jig's up, possum baby.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 05:15 am
Under the heading of "Duh"

Alternate heading... "Keep Lying Georgie...They Are Really Pretty Stupid Out There"

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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 05:17 am
And from the same piece, this bit goes under the heading, "No ****"

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Frederick Jones, a White House spokesman, said the White House "played no role in drafting or reviewing the judgments expressed in the National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism."
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 07:54 am
ican, "Israel's enemies have waged war on Israel since its declaration of independence in 1948." Your statement leaves out a bit of well documented history. The expulsion of the Palestinians.
http://www.robincmiller.com/pales2.htm
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 09:31 am
blueflame1 wrote:
ican, "Israel's enemies have waged war on Israel since its declaration of independence in 1948." Your statement leaves out a bit of well documented history. The expulsion of the Palestinians.
http://www.robincmiller.com/pales2.htm


Yes it is well documented that the Palestinians refused to live in a Jewish state, refused to be partitioned, and the other Arabs refused to acknowledge or respect UN Resolution 181. It was not Zionism but a war initiated by the Arabs (well documented on this thread), some of which adopted a solution for the "Jewish Question" as had been adopted in Europe, or specifically extermination.

Had there been no war, there would have been no refugees. The Jews defended themselves and expelled the belligerent Palestinians which naturally resulted in flight by even non-belligerent Palestinians. And the Jews are now naturally reluctant to admit a large number of people who are on record as wanting the Israeli state to be exterminated. The Palestinian leadership has systematically rejected the UN partition plan or other suggested partitions since that time.

Palestinians who have continued to live peacefully in Israel have been allowed to live in peace. Those who continue to wage war on Israel receive severe retaliation. Otherwise, Arabs who are good Israeli citizens not only live in peace but prosper nicely. Racism does not appear to be exercised by the Jews other than that Israel was created to be a Jewish state. They can hardly be condemned for that when the world approves of all their neighbors being Islamic states.

A parallel example to the expulsion of belligerent Palestinians from Israel is post World War II Czechoslovakia expelling ethnic Germans who had been Czech citizens living in the Sudetensland because they were a threat to the Czechs. Nobody claimed that was racism or condemned it as some sort of 'ism. The Czechs saw it as self defense and implemented it for that reason.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 09:44 am
Foxfyre wrote:
A parallel example to the expulsion of belligerent Palestinians from Israel is post World War II Czechoslovakia expelling ethnic Germans who had been Czech citizens living in the Sudetensland because they were a threat to the Czechs. Nobody claimed that was racism or condemned it as some sort of 'ism. The Czechs saw it as self defense and implemented it for that reason.


This is a rather ... well, short and widely incorrect view.

Besides, to compare the Sudeten Nazis with Jews is a bit ... peculiar funny, especially when done by Foxfyre.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 10:09 am
ican, what you call "belligerent Palestinians" were really basically unarmed and peaceful Palestinians who did nothing to deserve being murdered and driven out of their homes by Zionists. The holocaust was not committed by Palestinians who were largely friendly with Jews in Palestine. Palestinians are victims of an ethnic cleansing in the same way Jews were victims of a holocaust. And that ethnic cleansing continues to today with the imperialistic desires of Zionism in full evidence. A 2 state solution is very much available to Israel any time they're ready. It's Israel that is the chief obstacle to that 2 state solution. Here's a horror story I bet you'll ignore or justify in some way. "From New Orleans to Gaza" http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m25178&hd=0&size=1&l=e
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 11:34 am
blueflame1 wrote:
ican, what you call "belligerent Palestinians" were really basically unarmed and peaceful Palestinians who did nothing to deserve being murdered and driven out of their homes by Zionists. The holocaust was not committed by Palestinians who were largely friendly with Jews in Palestine.

"who did nothing" Question Rolling Eyes
"driven out of their homes by Zionists" Question Rolling Eyes
"largely friendly with the Jews" Question Rolling Eyes

Reread Foxfyre's last post and then, perhaps, a review of a bit of history will help Exclamation

Brityannica wrote:

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1918 AD: Ottoman Empire Ends Control of Palestine.
................British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
1920 AD: 5 Jews killed 200 wounded in anti-zionist riots
................in Palestine.
1921 AD: 46 Jews killed 146 wounded in anti-zionist riots
................in Palestine.
1929 AD: 133 Jews killed 339 wounded
................116 Arabs killed 232 wounded.
1936 thru 39 AD: 329 Jews killed 857 wounded
.........................3,112 Arabs killed 1,775 wounded
............................135 Brits killed 386 wounded.
............................110 Arabs hanged 5,679 jailed.
1947 AD: UN resolution partitions Palestine into a Jewish
................and an Arab State.
1948 AD: State of Israel declares independence
................War breaks out between defending Jews
................and invading Arabs.
................State of Israel sucessfully defends itself and
................conquers part of Arab Palestine.
...


Palestinians are victims of an ethnic cleansing in the same way Jews were victims of a holocaust. And that ethnic cleansing continues to today with the imperialistic desires of Zionism in full evidence.

That pseudology is right out of George Soros's rotten pseudological propaganda.

A 2 state solution is very much available to Israel any time they're ready. It's Israel that is the chief obstacle to that 2 state solution. Here's a horror story I bet you'll ignore or justify in some way. "From New Orleans to Gaza" http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m25178&hd=0&size=1&l=e

That too is more of George Soros' rotten pseudological propaganda. The truth is Hamas, those currently governing Arab Palestine, are the chief obstacle to a two-state solution. Just two or three days ago, they blocked such a solution by refusing to agree to recognize the state of Israel.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:54 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
A parallel example to the expulsion of belligerent Palestinians from Israel is post World War II Czechoslovakia expelling ethnic Germans who had been Czech citizens living in the Sudetensland because they were a threat to the Czechs. Nobody claimed that was racism or condemned it as some sort of 'ism. The Czechs saw it as self defense and implemented it for that reason.


This is a rather ... well, short and widely incorrect view.

Besides, to compare the Sudeten Nazis with Jews is a bit ... peculiar funny, especially when done by Foxfyre.


It would be peculiar funny if Foxfyre had done that, which she didn't.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:59 pm
ican, more history for you to ignore just as you did with the diversion of water by the Israelis. "Hard to Believe: Israeli Orthodox Rabbi and Hamas Plan Peace". http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060822125824832 Clearly Israel has no intention of altering their imperialist program.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 03:04 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
ican, more history for you to ignore just as you did with the diversion of water by the Israelis.

"diversion of water by the Israelis" Question What was that?

"Hard to Believe: Israeli Orthodox Rabbi and Hamas Plan Peace". http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20060822125824832

Clearly Israel has no intention of altering their imperialist program.

"their imperialist program" Question What imperialist program?

While I cannot be sure my source is valid any more than I can be sure your source is valid, I do know that I heard on ABC news that negotiations failed because Hamas refused to recognize Israel; that is, refused to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Based on my source Hamas refuses to negotiate a two-state solution. Based on your source, Israel refuses to negotiate a two-state solution.


Now what?
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 03:09 pm
More of the same old same old, I see. Not safe to go into the water yet.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 04:08 pm
ican, diversion of water. I figured you'd ignore the link. What Israel has done with water shows their true imperialist designs. Here's the link again for you to ignore. "From New Orleans to Gaza" http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m25178&hd=0&size=1&l=e
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 04:34 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
ican, diversion of water. I figured you'd ignore the link. What Israel has done with water shows their true imperialist designs. Here's the link again for you to ignore. "From New Orleans to Gaza" http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m25178&hd=0&size=1&l=e

OK, I read the link!

Now how shall I determine if it is true or not?

Assuming it is true, what makes you think turning off Palestinian Arab water is indicative of Israel's "true imperialistic designs"?

Isn't the more likely true explanation simply that Israel (as it has for the last 58 years) is desperately or even hysterically, albeit also ruthlessly, trying to survive among those who have "true imperialistic designs" on Israel -- that is, those who are designing to eliminate Israel?

I recommend that the Palestinian Arabs recognize Israel's right to exist and stop trying to kill Israelies and capture Israeli soldiers, while they are trying to negotiate with Israel. That will at least give 'em a little more credibilibity, and might even more quickly get their water turned back on.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 07:17 am
MarionT wrote:
Jewish bankers control the world's economy and the World Bank. They are among the strongest backers of Israel. They have caused the misery and poverty of the people of the Middle East in most cases.


Didn't you claim to be Jewish on another A2K thread?
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 08:20 am
I think I'm going to give up on the idea that Israel might do anything but exactly the wrong thing...

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War Turns the Tide For Israeli Settlers

By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, September 25, 2006; Page A01

AMONA, West Bank -- The movement to expand Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which only a few months ago appeared to be a divided, waning political force, is experiencing a revival after a summer of war that caused many Israelis to question the wisdom of abandoning more territory.

Little more than a year ago, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon withdrew all Jewish settlers and Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip. After Sharon's debilitating stroke in January, his deputy, Ehud Olmert, won national elections in March on a promise to evacuate dozens of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and to uproot the smaller, unauthorized communities known as outposts in a bid to define Israel's final borders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/24/AR2006092400757.html
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 09:43 am
blatham wrote:
I think I'm going to give up on the idea that Israel might do anything but exactly the wrong thing...

Quote:
War Turns the Tide For Israeli Settlers

By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, September 25, 2006; Page A01

AMONA, West Bank -- The movement to expand Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which only a few months ago appeared to be a divided, waning political force, is experiencing a revival after a summer of war that caused many Israelis to question the wisdom of abandoning more territory.

Little more than a year ago, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon withdrew all Jewish settlers and Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip. After Sharon's debilitating stroke in January, his deputy, Ehud Olmert, won national elections in March on a promise to evacuate dozens of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and to uproot the smaller, unauthorized communities known as outposts in a bid to define Israel's final borders.

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But guerrillas in Gaza have continued to pepper southern Israel with crude rockets, and the radical Islamic movement Hamas, whose stronghold is Gaza, has been elected to lead the Palestinian government. Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist even within its pre-1967 borders, nor does Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite Muslim militia whose seizure of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 touched off the recent war.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/24/AR2006092400757.html

The Israeli Jews are hysterical paranoids, or maybe they are just simple pragmatists.

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www.m-w.com
Main Entry: prag·ma·tism
Pronunciation: 'prag-m&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
1 : a practical approach to problems and affairs <tried>
2 : an American movement in philosophy founded by C. S. Peirce and William James and marked by the doctrines that the meaning of conceptions is to be sought in their practical bearings, that the function of thought is to guide action, and that truth is preeminently to be tested by the practical consequences of belief
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