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HEZBOLLAH AND ISRAEL WIDEN THE CONFLICT

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 05:52 am
Re: Irish Holocaust
pachelbel wrote:
Oh come on! You cannot be that ignorant! Do a google search. There are countless sites called IRISH HOLOCAUST.

The word 'holocaust' hasn't been bought by the Jews yet, has it? Do they have the corner on the market for that word? The word 'holocaust' was translated in 1526 and comes via Old French and Latin & Greek: holokauston. The Jews didn't create it, just as they don't create anything except wars. I believe it can be used to describe what the English did to the Irish very well.

Holocaust can also be used to describe what was done to North American Indians and countless people down through history. I do not see how you could possibly deny it.

There was no attempted genocide? Are you delusional? What do you call systematic starvation? What do you call laws that made it illegal for an Irishman to eat his own grain grown on his own land? Or slaughter cattle on his land? Couldn't do that: it was for the Englishman's table only.

The Irish Holocaust; 3 million die:

The English simply wanted the Irish to leave Ireland so that they could populate Ireland with English gentry. That is simply what happened. You have a different version? I'd love to hear it.

The indifference of the British government during the Famine is explained, and I quote from Sir Charles Trevelyan, had of the Treasury in 1848, "the cure had been applied by the direct stroke of an all-wise Providence in a manner as unexpected and is likely to be effectual'. Two years later, after perhaps a MILLION people had died, including babies, women, and children, who died with grass in their mouths, he wrote, 'The matter is awfully serious, but we are in the hands of Providence, we can only await the result'. Sir Charles Wood replied to an Irish landlord who had written to inform him of what was actually happening in Ireland, 'I am not at all appalled by your tenantry going. That seems to me a necessary part of the process....' referring to the coffin ships that the Irish emigrated in. Trevelyn further declares in 1846, 'the great evil which we have to contend is not the evil of the famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people'.

Funny, he seems to be describing the English personality. I see no pity here for the millions of people that the English starved out of their own homes. The English were the overfed, snobby & inept fools who kicked out the Irish, then discovered they had no one to 'mind the garden'.

There was no capital investment in agriculture, no reclamation of land, and no reform of tenancies. Instead, English landlords who were responsible for the rates of their tenants holdings were able to continue to evict tenants as a way of reducing their bill (in 1850 alone, 104,000 people were evicted) and merchants were able to export grain to England from Ireland and cattle without hindrance. One of the most remarkable facts about the famine period is that Ireland exported more food than it imported.
It was illegal for an Irish farmer to take the grain to use for himself, or to slaughter cattle to feed his family. That was to go to the English landlord and shipped to England. An Irishman could be hanged for stealing grain to feed his starving family.

I contend that the Irish Holocaust and subsequent Diaspora is no different from other ethnic cleansings that have taken place and are taking place now in the Middle East.

The English conquered Ireland with no thought to the previous thousands of years that the Irish had lived on their island with their own laws, such as the ancient Brehon laws that predate English law (look that one up for enlightenment).

The few Irish who were left and could barely walk were herded onto what is commonly known as 'coffin ships' and I'm sure you've heard that word before - because many Irish did not make it to America or Canada in the filthy holds.

Funny how what goes around comes around. Now Ireland has a higher per capita than England. They're just doing better financially than England. Don't fret though, I don't think the Irish will be asking for reparation for the things done to them by England. I won't even discuss Cromwell. You know what I'm talking about, don't you? Here is more for you to - --digest:

From Cork harbor on one day in 1847 2 the AJAX steamed for England with 1,514 firkins of butter, 102 casks of pork, 44 hogsheads of whiskey, 844 sacks of oats, 247 sacks of wheat, 106 bales of bacon, 13 casks of hams, 145 casks of porter, 12 sacks of fodder, 28 bales of feathers, 8 sacks of lard, 296 boxes of eggs, 30 head of cattle, 90 pigs, 220 lambs, 34 calves and 69 miscellaneous packages. On November 14, 1848 3, sailed, from Cork harbor alone: 147 bales of bacon, 120 casks and 135 barrels of pork, 5 casks of hams, 149 casks of miscellaneous provisions (foodstuff); 1,996 sacks & 950 barrels of oats; 300 bags of flour; 300 head of cattle; 239 sheep; 9,398 firkins of butter; 542 boxes of eggs. On July 28, 1848 4; a typical day's food shipments from only the following four ports: from Limerick: the ANN, JOHN GUISE and MESSENGER for London; the PELTON CLINTON for Liverpool; and the CITY OF LIMERICK, BRITISH QUEEN, and CAMBRIAN MAID for Glasgow. This one-day removal of Limerick's food was of 863 firkins of butter; 212 firkins, 1,198 casks and 200 kegs of lard, 87 casks of ham; 267 bales of bacon; 52 barrels of pork; 45 tons and 628 barrels of flour; 4,975 barrels of oats and 1,000 barrels of barley. From Kilrush: the ELLEN for Bristol; the CHARLES G. FRYER and MARY ELLIOTT for London. This one-day removal was of 550 tons of County Clare's oats and 15 tons of its barley. From Tralee: the JOHN ST. BARBE, CLAUDIA and QUEEN for London; the SPOKESMAN for Liverpool. This one-day removal was of 711 tons of Kerry's oats and 118 tons of its barley. From Galway: the MARY, VICTORIA, and DILIGENCE for London; the SWAN and UNION for Limerick (probably for transshipment to England). This one-day removal was of 60 sacks of Co. Galway's flour; 30 sacks and 292 tons of its oatmeal; 294 tons of its oats; and 140 tons of its miscellaneous provisions (foodstuffs). British soldiers forcibly removed it from its starving Limerick, Clare, Kerry and Galway producers.

In Belmullet, Co. Mayo the mission of 151 soldiers 5 of the 49th Regiment was to guard a few tons of meal from the hands of the starving; its population falling from 237 to 105 between 1841 and 1851. Belmullet also lost its source of fish in January, 1849, when Britain's Coast Guard arrested its fleet of enterprising fishermen ten miles at sea in the act of off-loading flour from a passing ship. They were sentenced to prison and their currachs were confiscated.

The Waterford Harbor British army commissariat officer wrote to British Treasury Chief Charles Trevelyan on April 24, 1846; "The barges leave Clonmel once a week for this place, with the export supplies under convoy which, last Tuesday, consisted of 2 guns, 50 cavalry, and 80 infantry escorting them on the banks of the Suir as far as Carrick." While its people starved, the Clonmel district exported annually, along with its other farm produce, approximately 60,000 pigs in the form of cured pork

There's our man Trevelyan again. No genocide here at all eh?? BS.
The Jews will have to move over. Some estimates put the Famine deaths to over 5.2 million. You English should be ashamed.

For further knowledge about the Irish, read "How the Irish Saved Civilization' by Thomas Cahill.
I said I you were one of the more thoughtful posters. I withdraw that. Think what you will. I'm not going to be the one to side track this thread.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 11:46 am
Stick to the god damned topic folks.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 11:55 am
I posted the truth from other sources, not from my own knowledge; but it's a well known fact that the English wanted the Irish out.

Certainly they did not create the Famine, but they didn't do anything to help, and even exported food from the country at gunpoint during the Famine (in the article).

All you had to do was read the article. If you are so sure of your convictions, why don't you do some searching on your own! Because you don't really want to know what your people did. It's hard for a country to admit that they have committed genocide against a people, but that is exactly what the English did. You English don't have a very good record of treating your colonies well. Tis a good thing England only has a tiny bit of Ireland at the northern tip; the rest belongs to the Republic of Ireland (the Irish people) who are doing very well indeed without English interference.

Because I do not say what you want me to say doesn't make me thoughtless; it makes me truthful.

As for starting a new thread, you did that with your first post about 'no genocide in Ireland from the English'. What baloney. Read www.irishholocaust.org --if you want to sound less like a complete idiot.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 12:07 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
Steve 41oo wrote:
I'm not going to be the one to side track this thread.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:29 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
Steve 41oo wrote:
I said I you were one of the more thoughtful posters. I withdraw that.
...


Shocked What on earth lead you to say that in the first place?

[/rhetorical question]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:32 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
Ticomaya wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
I said I you were one of the more thoughtful posters. I withdraw that.
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Shocked What on earth lead you to say that in the first place?

[/rhetorical question]
Laughing maybe my simple open minded trusting nature. Sometimes Tico, we all say silly things.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:34 pm
oh just seen that rhetorical question thingy...now I know what that means. It means a question posed for the sake of argument, not requiring a direct answer...anyway I answered.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:48 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
Steve 41oo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
I said I you were one of the more thoughtful posters. I withdraw that.
...


Shocked What on earth lead you to say that in the first place?

[/rhetorical question]
Laughing maybe my simple open minded trusting nature. Sometimes Tico, we all say silly things.


What a quisling! And what I'd expect of an englishman. You have no argument so you sidestep the entire issue. How convenient. If you care to argue it, there is a new thread entitled Irish Holocaust. I expect you won't visit it because you have nothing factual to say. Mere rhetoric. You'll enjoy 'talking' to Tico; he's a fount of knowledge. Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:50 pm
Pachelbell is it a bad time of the month for you?
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 01:56 pm
and from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the United States had made "tactical errors, thousands of them."
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 02:02 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
pachelbel wrote:
If you care to argue it, there is a new thread entitled Irish Holocaust.


Did you create it in the new "Conspiracy Theories" forum?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 02:07 pm
I think it would be something of a relief to get back to the more congenial topic of war between Israel and Hizbollah...
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 03:17 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
Ticomaya wrote:
pachelbel wrote:
If you care to argue it, there is a new thread entitled Irish Holocaust.


Did you create it in the new "Conspiracy Theories" forum?


Man, do you try to be stupid, or is it natural? That millions of Irish died in a Famine/Holocaust is a well documented fact. I would think you'd do a google search before making such an ignorant statement. But, knowing you.....

I would not expect someone of your small intellect to pretend to know anything about it. Go back to your Fox TV and beer............. Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 03:34 pm
Re: Irish Holocaust
pachelbel wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
pachelbel wrote:
If you care to argue it, there is a new thread entitled Irish Holocaust.


Did you create it in the new "Conspiracy Theories" forum?


Man, do you try to be stupid, or is it natural? That millions of Irish died in a Famine/Holocaust is a well documented fact. I would think you'd do a google search before making such an ignorant statement. But, knowing you.....

I would not expect someone of your small intellect to pretend to know anything about it. Go back to your Fox TV and beer............. Laughing


I'm well aware of the fact of the Irish Potato Famine, but I am not aware that it was a "holocaust." For you to suggest it is genocide comes as no surprise to anyone who has followed any of your postings (well, except perhaps for Steve). It's a moral debate that I don't care to engage you in. I'm just waiting to see how you are going to blame the Jews for this latest conspiracy theory you have brought to the table.

But as Steve said, you are disrupting this thread by continuing to discuss this off-topic matter here.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:24 am
Re: Irish Holocaust
Ticomaya wrote:


I'm well aware of the fact of the ... .


Your postings leave the distinct impression that you don't know the meaning of the word 'fact', Tico.

You are well versed in deception, tangents, smoke & mirrors, obfuscation and blind obedience to sets of talking points.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:41 am
Re: Irish Holocaust
JTT wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:


I'm well aware of the fact of the ... .


Your postings leave the distinct impression that you don't know the meaning of the word 'fact', Tico.

You are well versed in deception, tangents, smoke & mirrors, obfuscation and blind obedience to sets of talking points.


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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:59 am
Have you been to Timber's website lately, Tico?

http://republicansagainstbush.info/
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 11:03 am
One of Tico's signature lines:

Quote:
Religion is like good underwear. It supports you, it comforts you, it's worn on the inside, and it's bad manners to show it off.


Such tolerance, such good sense.

I must have missed your postings wherein you've tried to straighten out the more misguided wing of YOUR party, Tico.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 03:45 pm
BBB
CNN is reporting that Isreal found the bodies of Iranian Revolutionary Guard members among the Hesbollah dead. The Iranians were identified by documents found on their bodies.

Now what?

BBB
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:57 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
CNN is reporting that Isreal found the bodies of Iranian Revolutionary Guard members among the Hesbollah dead. The Iranians were identified by documents found on their bodies.

Now what?

BBB


A little too convenient for Israel to give it just the right justification, reason and pretext to expand its war of aggression. Ever since the beginning of this conflict, Israel and America have been looking for ways to maneuver so as to get Syria and Iran involved, as highlighted in "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
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