" GUN CONTROL " in Trouble

Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 11:15 pm
U.S. NEWS & World Report

Packing heat on the hill
The NRA is riding high; gun control is a political loser
By Will Sullivan

Posted Sunday, July 9, 2006

Oklahoma Rep. Dan Boren's Washington office features his hunting trophies,
including a stuffed wild turkey and a mounted deer head.
The freshman congressman's enthusiasm for firearms might always have
stood out in the Democratic Party, but Boren now finds himself among an
even more endangered species: Democrats willing to discuss guns at all.

"When we as Democrats are trying to reach out and speak to voters in
the center of the country, I don't think that we can support gun control," he explains.
After seeing Democrats hammered at the polls for voting to regulate guns,
many of his colleagues seem to agree. As a result, a number of pro-gun measures
moving through Congress will most likely face little opposition,
as advocates of gun control increasingly find themselves marginalized and ignored.

Not long ago, it was the gun lobby on the defensive from the passage of
the Brady bill in 1993 and the 1994 ban on "assault" weapons. But some
say support for gun control cost Democrats the House in 1994, and
former President Clinton credited it with Al Gore's 2000 presidential defeat.
"It's different than it was in the early '90s. Those were, in retrospect, the glory years,"
says Paul Helmke, former GOP mayor of Fort Wayne, Ind., who recently
took the reins of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Meanwhile, with little fanfare, National Rifle Association backers in Congress
allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004 and last year shielded gun makers
from being sued over crimes committed using their products.
Since 1999, nine states have eased restrictions on concealed weapons,
and NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre says the freedom of gun owners
is in "the best shape it's been in decades."

Boren is cosponsor of a bill to ban police from confiscating firearms
during emergencies--a response to such seizures after Hurricane Katrina.
New York Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler says such a bill would never
have been considered five years ago. Now, he says he's sure it will become law.

Saul Cornell of Ohio State's Second Amendment Research Center, says
polls consistently show broad support for gun control. What gives the gun
lobby strength, he says, is that supporters see gun control as a make-or-
break issue. With that passion comes money. Gun-rights groups
contributed nearly 14 times as much as gun-control groups in the 2004
election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Gun-control proponents should avoid efforts like the assault weapons ban
that were more effective at agitating gun owners than at preventing gun
violence, says Daniel Webster of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy
and Research. He recommends targeting unscrupulous dealers, and
points to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who leads a coalition
of over 50 mayors backing a crackdown on illegal gun sales. For backers
of gun control, perhaps that's a start.

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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 11:18 pm
The critical consideration
will be the USSC wiping away " gun control "
and returning the freedom that prevailed up until the early 1900s.
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Reply Sun 9 Jul, 2006 11:42 pm
Cool. Can't wait to get me a quad-mount Oerlikon
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 09:08 am
I 'm thinking of getting a .45 ACP Kimber Ultra Raptor II
for my next acquisition
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 09:35 am
Knock yourselves out, guys!
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 10:49 am
Thank u
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 11:56 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I 'm thinking of getting a .45 ACP Kimber Ultra Raptor II
for my next acquisition

I'm looking at picking up a Sig P226 40 S&W when I get home. When I get it I'm going for my carry and conceal permit.
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 03:08 pm
I 'm sure u will enjoy it.
Use it in good health.

In my opinion, the greater bulk of a larger caliber
( preferably in hollowpoint, with W-I-D-E cavities )
has better stopping power.
We need to remember that killing a predator
is not enuf: u need to STOP him.
Your life may depend on that.

For defensive purposes,
I prefer a 2 inch .44 special SA/DA revolver.
I use Taurus.
I like the mechanical reliablity of revolvers.

Love your Heinlein quote

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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 03:48 pm
Baldimo wrote:
I'm looking at picking up a Sig P226 40 S&W when I get home.

I think you'll like it; I'm pretty fond of the Sig SP2340 Pro. I do have some wheelguns, including a Redhawk .44, but IMO a high-capacity large-caliber autoloader is what you wanna have if there's no way to avoid a combat situation.
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 06:04 pm
I 've had too many jams, with automatics.

A jam at the rong time can be very embarrassing.

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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 08:07 pm
Whatever you're comfortable with. Scrupulous weapon maintenence and quality, fresh ammunition are big factors. While its been a few decades since I've discharged a firearm in any but recreational circumstances, other circumstances gave me great deal of confidence in and regard for autoloaders in crunches - shoulder and side arm alike. Not that I'm given to spray; when it comes to combat, I'm a staunch proponent of aimed fire ... sustained, high volume, accurately aimed fire.
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 05:50 am
If I could I would mount a M19 in my front yard and on my car but allas the military will not part with one and for some reason the local police and feds won't let me.

In all seriousness I have been looking at one of those for a few years and when I return I will be able to do something about it. I will be going with hollow points or even hyd shocks for ammo either one will work in a pinch I'm sure. If I could I would talk my dad out of some black tallons but that will happen when hell freezes over.
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 06:14 am
Baldimo, go with the 10mm Glock 20. When you just want to practice, you can shoot .40 S&W through it no problem.
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