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CAMARO VS MUSTANG?

 
 
2k05gt
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:22 pm
Here is a Review back in the 70's from Muscle Car Reveiw of the top 100
Muscle Cars. all Used Drag Tires for Safety reasons (Except Corvettes they did not fit on stock car)
they tested each car at the same track and conditions.
I did not include 14 sec or greater, No point.

Code:
Rank Year Make/Model 1/4 mile MPH 0-60 Top Speed
1 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi S/S 10.50 @ 130.00 - -
2 1968 Dodge Dart Hemi S/S 10.50 @ 129.00 - -
3 1969 Chevy Camaro 427 ZL1 11.80 @ 122.00 4.1 200
4 1969 Chevy Corvette 427 ZL1 12.10 @ 116.00 3.9 200
5 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 12.20 @ 118.00 - -
6 1963 Pontiac Catalina Super Stock 421 SD 12.40 @ 116.00 3.8 -
7 1966 Chevy Corvette L72 427 12.80 @ 112.00 4.7 -
8 1967 Chevy Corvette L88 427 12.82 @ 113.00 4.8 -
9 1967 Chevy Corvette L89 427 12.90 @ 111.00 4.7 -
10 1969 Plymouth Road Runner Hemi 12.91 @ 111.80 5.1 -
11 1967 Chevy Camaro RS/SS 12.97 @ 110.00 5.5 -
12 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda Hemi 13.10 @ 107.12 5.8 160
13 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi 13.12 @ 107.12 5.4 160
14 1970 Chevy Chevelle SS 454 13.12 @ 107.00 5.4 -
16 1969 Chevy Yenko Nova 427 13.22 @ 103.00 4.7 -
17 1970 Plymouth Road Runner Hemi 13.24 @ 107.50 - -
18 1969 Chevy Chevelle SS 396 13.30 @ 108.00 5.1 -
19 1969 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.30 @ 108.00 5.1 -
20 1968 Dodge Dart GTS 440 13.30 @ 107.00 5.0 -
21 1969 Chevy Chevelle COPO 427 13.31 @ 108.00 5.1 -
22 1970 Ford Boss Mustang 429 13.31 @ 108.55 5.1 -
23 1970 Buick GS Stage 1 455 13.38 @ 105.50 5.5 -
24 1968 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.41 @ 109.50 - -
25 1970 Chevy El Camino SS 454 13.44 @ 108.17 - -
26 1969 Dodge Charger 500 13.48 @ 109.00 5.5 156
27 1970 Dodge Super Bee Hemi 13.49 @ 105.00 5.3 -
28 1968 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.50 @ 111.00 4.8 170
29 1968 Plymouth GTX Hemi 13.50 @ 105.70 4.8 -
30 1969 Dodge Daytona Hemi 13.51 @ 105.60 5.5 217
31 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Hemi 13.51 @ 105.00 5.4 -
32 1970 Plymouth Superbird Hemi 13.52 @ 105.00 4.8 200
33 1967 Plymouth GTX Hemi 13.52 @ 105.00 4.8 -
34 1974 Pontiac Trans Am 455 13.53 @ 104.00 - -
35 1969 Chevy Yenko Camaro 427 13.53 @ 102.00 5.4 -
36 1968 Plymouth Road Runner Hemi 13.54 @ 105.10 5.3 -
37 1973 Pontiac Trans Am 455 13.54 @ 104.29 - -
38 1968 Dodge Super Bee Hemi 13.55 @ 105.00 5.5 -
39 1969 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.56 @ 111.10 4.9 -
40 1969 Dodge Super Bee 440+6 13.56 @ 105.60 6.0 -
41 1969 Ford Boss Mustang 429 13.60 @ 106.00 - -
42 1967 Shelby Mustang G.T. 500 13.61 @ 107.00 5.6 130+
43 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi 13.62 @ 104.30 5.9 -
44 1970 Dodge Coronet R/T Hemi 13.65 @ 105.14 6.6 -
45 1969 Shelby Mustang G.T. 500 13.64 @ 105.10 6.5 -
46 1968 Chevy Biscayne L72 427 13.65 @ 105.00 - -
47 1964 Dodge Polara 500 13.70 @ 107.37 - -
48 1963 Pontiac Catalina 421 2+2 13.70 @ 107.00 5.2 -
49 1971 Dodge Challenger R/T 440+6 13.70 @ 105.00 6.2 -
50 1971 Dodge Super Bee Hemi 13.71 @ 104.00 5.7 -
51 1971 Dodge Charger Hemi 13.71 @ 104.00 5.8 -
52 1969 Plymouth GTX 440+6 13.71 @ 102.80 5.7 -
53 1971 Plymouth Road Runner 440+6 13.71 @ 101.20 - -
54 1971 Plymouth 'Cuda 440+6 13.72 @ 106.00 - -
55 1971 Chevy Corvette 454 LS5 13.72 @ 102.04 - -
56 1968 Olds/Hurst 455 W-30 13.77 @ 103.91 - -
57 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 High Output 13.79 @ 106.00 5.4 -
58 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge Ram Air IV 13.80 @ 104.00 5.7 -
59 1967 Chevy Corvette L71 427 13.80 @ 108.00 5.5 -
60 1965 Pontiac Catalina 421+6 13.81 @ 106.00 3.9 -
61 1970 Dodge Charger R/T Hemi 13.82 @ 105.00 5.5 -
62 1966 Plymouth Satellite Hemi 13.82 @ 104.00 5.3 -
63 1971 Ford Boss Mustang 351 13.82 @ 105.00 5.8 -
64 1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 13.82 @ 103.32 5.7 -
65 1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 455 13.82 @ 103.00 5.4 -
66 1970 Buick GSX 13.82 @ 101.00 6.5 -
67 1969 Dodge Coronet 440+4 13.83 @ 102.27 - -
68 1968 Chevy Nova SS 396 13.85 @ 104.00 - 125
69 1968 Mercury Cyclone GT 428 CJ 13.86 @ 101.69 - -
70 1969 Chevy Nova SS 396 13.87 @ 105.10 - -
71 1971 Ford Boss Mustang 351 13.87 @ 104.52 6.0 -
72 1969 Mercury Cyclone Cobra Jet 428 13.88 @ 101.70 - -
73 1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 455 13.88 @ 95.84 - -
74 1962 Chevy Corvette 327 13.89 @ 105.14 - -
75 1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440+4 13.89 @ 103.21 - -
76 1962 Pontiac Catalina 421 2+2 13.90 @ 107.00 - -
77 1969 Chevy Corvette L71 427 13.90 @ 105.00 7.0 -
78 1969 Ford Mustang 428 Super Cobra Jet 13.90 @ 103.00 5.7 -
79 1967 Pontiac GTO 13.90 @ 102.80 - -
80 1971 Pontiac Trans Am 400 13.90 @ 102.00 5.6 -
81 1969 Dodge Dart 383 13.90 @ 102.00 - -
82 1972 Chevy Corvette LT1 350 13.92 @ 104.00 5.7 -
83 1968 Ford Mustang Cobra Jet 428 13.92 @ 102.00 5.8 -
84 1970 Ford Torino Cobra 428 13.99 @ 101.00 6.0 -
85 1966 Chevy Corvette L36 427 13.99 @ 100.00 5.7 -


I am Old School, I used to Drag Race Semi-Pro in the early 80's
I raced at Gator Nationals and owned several Muscle cars over the years.
I have never know a GTO Judge to run 11's Stock. Never happen.
The list above is accurate and is more real world than that of the Manufactures numbers.

Check out this heavly Modified GTO Judge running 10.6

History of the GTO
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-gto/pontiac-gto-history.shtml
2k05gt
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 08:52 am
Camaro Sales vs Mustang Sales

Mustang has always out Sold the Camaro
http://home.comcast.net/~2k05gt/images/Mustang_vs_Camaro_Sales.jpg
gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 08:54 am
Mustangs and Camaros are girl cars. Why are there men on this thread?
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2008 08:58 am
The Camaro has Always had More HP than the Mustang..

http://home.comcast.net/~2k05gt/images/Mustang_vs_Camaro_HP.jpg
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dameger
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 09:24 am
Both of them sux.McLaren and Ferrari > cammaro and mustang,but if I have to choose between this two I will deffinetely choose the Mustang.
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GTOsrock
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 11:51 am
@2k05gt,
this is a GTO that would kill any other car. I mean, like, rip anthing else to shreds.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO-Timeslip-2734.html
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NTM
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 02:38 pm
I'm gonna hav to disagree with a previous statement...
The camaro has always out powered the mustang by a long shot! Here are some examples:
-1967-68 SS-had a 396 producing 375 horses and 415 pound feet torque...
-1969 SS-had a 427... 7 liter producing 425-430 horses(WAY underated!!)..450 torque
-1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro-had a alluminum 427 work-horse... Rated at 430 horses(rated extremely low! for insurance purposes), but new dynos have rated it as high as 575 horses!!.. and 460 poung feet a torque!!!!... This is a total Mustang KILLER!!!!(:
-1970 Camaro SS- had a 396 producing 375 horses and 415 pound feet a torque
Now for some newer Camaro's:
-2000 Camaro- 5.7 liter V8 320 horses
-2001 Camaro- 5.7 liter V8 335 horses
GM cut production in 2002, but recently brought it back in 2009-2010
-2009-2010 Camaro SS- 6.2 liter V8 producing 426 horsepower!! (by-the-way... 2009-2010 Stang' ONLY has a 315 horse 4.6 liter!)

Now!... looking at these specs... compare them to the Mustang of the same year and you tell me which is more powerful!(:
2k05gt
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jul, 2010 02:34 pm
But the 2011 Mustang has 412 hp and out runs the 2011 Camaro by 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile and performs better in the twisties even thought the Camaro has IRS and the Mustang has a Live Axle..
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 02:47 pm
@TBONE,
This generation of Mustangs vs Camaro? I'm not sure about their technical stats of either car but on a gut aesthetic reaction? I prefer the Camaro is more aggressive and sportier of a design. Got my vote.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 11:40 am
@NTM,
NTM wrote:
-1969 SS-had a 427...


That was a COPO (the Yenko COPO in fact). The 1969 SS had at most a 396.



NTM wrote:
-1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro-had a alluminum 427 work-horse... Rated at 430 horses(rated extremely low! for insurance purposes), but new dynos have rated it as high as 575 horses!!.. and 460 poung feet a torque!!!!... This is a total Mustang KILLER!!!!(:


The 1969 ZL1 required higher-octane gas than was available at ordinary gas stations even when they were selling leaded gasoline, and the engine was not capable of idling. Not entirely practical except on a race track.



NTM wrote:
GM cut production in 2002, but recently brought it back in 2009-2010


GM is bringing back the ZL1 for 2012, by putting a supercharger on the 6.2 liter engine (and the modern ZL1 will be capable of idling and of using ordinary gasoline). It should be an interesting rival to the Cobra.




Anyway, how come no one is speaking up for MOPAR in this squabble over who has the best pony car??

My 2 Cents :

It probably matters a lot more whether you buy a base version vs a higher-end model than it matters whether you buy one brand verses another brand. If you want one, buy the one you want.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 09:50 pm
@2k05gt,
2k05gt wrote:
Code:
Rank Year Make/Model 1/4 mile MPH 0-60 Top Speed
3 1969 Chevy Camaro 427 ZL1 11.80 @ 122.00 4.1 200
7 1966 Chevy Corvette L72 427 12.80 @ 112.00 4.7 -
8 1967 Chevy Corvette L88 427 12.82 @ 113.00 4.8 -
12 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda Hemi 13.10 @ 107.12 5.8 160
13 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi 13.12 @ 107.12 5.4 160
19 1969 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.30 @ 108.00 5.1 -
24 1968 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.41 @ 109.50 - -
28 1968 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.50 @ 111.00 4.8 170
39 1969 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.56 @ 111.10 4.9 -
55 1971 Chevy Corvette 454 LS5 13.72 @ 102.04 - -
57 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 High Output 13.79 @ 106.00 5.4 -


I am Old School, I used to Drag Race Semi-Pro in the early 80's
I raced at Gator Nationals and owned several Muscle cars over the years.
I have never know a GTO Judge to run 11's Stock. Never happen.
The list above is accurate and is more real world than that of the Manufactures numbers.


I see some real problems with the list. The most glaring issue is: Why are the L88 Corvettes way below the L72 Corvettes, instead of right up by the ZL1?

And why did they cover the humdrum 1971 LS5 Vette, but skip the much more worthwhile LS6?

They clearly spared no effort to cover uncommon cars. They had numbers for the ZL1 version of the Corvette even though there were only two of them ever made. Yet somehow they miss the LS6 Vette?

And the same with the 68 Firebird. Just the ordinary version and not the high-performing Ram Air II?

And what was up with the Hemis? Did the drivers take a nap in the middle of the race or something?

Here are some more reasonable numbers:

Code:1969 Corvette L88 11.541
1969 Camaro ZL1 11.775
1970 Hemi Cuda 11.809
1968 Firebird 400 Ram Air II 11.826
1971 Corvette 454 LS6 11.944
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b4cmoe
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:21 pm
okay lets be honest camaros are the fastest pony cars and yea in the 80s and 70s mustangs were better then camaro but today the camaro beats the mustang in the 90's camaros killed the mustangs even the cobras don't front a ss camaro with a decent driver will beat a cobra yea thats right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1s8vfvhNys theres some facts and if thats not enough for the 90's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFZiDKUotQ theres some more and o yea for today here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uTjaQ6E7g hey its not just that i love gm cars its also that i've burned to many mustangs and cobras to have people talk **** ight i have a 2000 b4c camaro pushing out 475 so yea i still run these new gt's down
b4cmoe
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2011 02:26 pm
@2k05gt,
okay it out sold it's not about who sold more its about whats better its like cigarettes out sells apples but whats better the apple right when it comes down to it crack kills people camaros kill mustangs
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jhems
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 06:04 am
@TBONE,
Hi, I suggest you Camaro.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jul, 2012 01:31 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
GM is bringing back the ZL1 for 2012, by putting a supercharger on the 6.2 liter engine (and the modern ZL1 will be capable of idling and of using ordinary gasoline). It should be an interesting rival to the Cobra.


Actually, I'm sorry I mentioned that. (And mentioning it was actually the reason I started posting in this thread to begin with.)

Now that I've thought about it a bit, simply slapping a supercharger on a small block does not make a Camaro worthy of the label ZL-1.

Look at the aluminum V10 in the new Dodge Viper, and look at the high-revving aluminum engine in Ford's BOSS 302. Both are far more in the spirit of the original ZL-1 than an ordinary small block with a supercharger slapped on it. GM should do better.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jul, 2012 01:33 am
@b4cmoe,
b4cmoe wrote:
and yea in the 80s and 70s mustangs were better then camaro


The '70s Mustang?!? Better than the '70s Camaro?!?
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