CAMARO VS MUSTANG?

Here is a Review back in the 70's from Muscle Car Reveiw of the top 100
Muscle Cars. all Used Drag Tires for Safety reasons (Except Corvettes they did not fit on stock car)
they tested each car at the same track and conditions.
I did not include 14 sec or greater, No point.

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Rank	   Year 	Make/Model                           	1/4 mile		MPH	0-60 	Top Speed 

1	1968	Plymouth Barracuda Hemi S/S          	10.50	@	130.00	-  	- 

2	1968	Dodge Dart Hemi S/S                  	10.50	@	129.00	-  	- 

3	1969	Chevy Camaro 427 ZL1                 	11.80	@	122.00	4.1	200

4	1969	Chevy Corvette 427 ZL1               	12.10	@	116.00	3.9	200

5	1966	Shelby Cobra 427                     	12.20	@	118.00	-  	- 

6	1963	Pontiac Catalina Super Stock 421 SD  	12.40	@	116.00	3.8	- 

7	1966	Chevy Corvette L72 427               	12.80	@	112.00	4.7	- 

8	1967	Chevy Corvette L88 427               	12.82	@	113.00	4.8	- 

9	1967	Chevy Corvette L89 427               	12.90	@	111.00	4.7	- 

10	1969	Plymouth Road Runner Hemi            	12.91	@	111.80	5.1	- 

11	1967	Chevy Camaro RS/SS                   	12.97	@	110.00	5.5	- 

12	1970	Plymouth 'Cuda Hemi                  	13.10	@	107.12	5.8	160

13	1970	Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi            	13.12	@	107.12	5.4	160

14	1970	Chevy Chevelle SS 454                	13.12	@	107.00	5.4	- 

16	1969	Chevy Yenko Nova 427                 	13.22	@	103.00	4.7	- 

17	1970	Plymouth Road Runner Hemi            	13.24	@	107.50	-  	- 

18	1969	Chevy Chevelle SS 396                	13.30	@	108.00	5.1	- 

19	1969	Chevy Corvette L72 427               	13.30	@	108.00	5.1	- 

20	1968	Dodge Dart GTS 440                   	13.30	@	107.00	5.0	- 

21	1969	Chevy Chevelle COPO 427              	13.31	@	108.00	5.1	- 

22	1970	Ford Boss Mustang 429                	13.31	@	108.55	5.1	- 

23	1970	Buick GS Stage 1 455                 	13.38	@	105.50	5.5	- 

24	1968	Chevy Corvette L72 427               	13.41	@	109.50	-  	- 

25	1970	Chevy El Camino SS 454               	13.44	@	108.17	-  	- 

26	1969	Dodge Charger 500                    	13.48	@	109.00	5.5	156

27	1970	Dodge Super Bee Hemi                 	13.49	@	105.00	5.3	- 

28	1968	Chevy Corvette L88 427               	13.50	@	111.00	4.8	170

29	1968	Plymouth GTX Hemi                    	13.50	@	105.70	4.8	- 

30	1969	Dodge Daytona Hemi                   	13.51	@	105.60	5.5	217

31	1968	Dodge Charger R/T Hemi               	13.51	@	105.00	5.4	- 

32	1970	Plymouth Superbird Hemi              	13.52	@	105.00	4.8	200

33	1967	Plymouth GTX Hemi                    	13.52	@	105.00	4.8	- 

34	1974	Pontiac Trans Am 455                 	13.53	@	104.00	-  	- 

35	1969	Chevy Yenko Camaro 427               	13.53	@	102.00	5.4	- 

36	1968	Plymouth Road Runner Hemi            	13.54	@	105.10	5.3	- 

37	1973	Pontiac Trans Am 455                 	13.54	@	104.29	-  	- 

38	1968	Dodge Super Bee Hemi                 	13.55	@	105.00	5.5	- 

39	1969	Chevy Corvette L88 427               	13.56	@	111.10	4.9	- 

40	1969	Dodge Super Bee 440+6                	13.56	@	105.60	6.0	- 

41	1969	Ford Boss Mustang 429                	13.60	@	106.00	-  	- 

42	1967	Shelby Mustang G.T. 500              	13.61	@	107.00	5.6	130+ 

43	1970	Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi            	13.62	@	104.30	5.9	- 

44	1970	Dodge Coronet R/T Hemi               	13.65	@	105.14	6.6	- 

45	1969	Shelby Mustang G.T. 500              	13.64	@	105.10	6.5	- 

46	1968	Chevy Biscayne L72 427               	13.65	@	105.00	-  	- 

47	1964	Dodge Polara 500                     	13.70	@	107.37	-  	- 

48	1963	Pontiac Catalina 421 2+2             	13.70	@	107.00	5.2	- 

49	1971	Dodge Challenger R/T 440+6           	13.70	@	105.00	6.2	- 

50	1971	Dodge Super Bee Hemi                 	13.71	@	104.00	5.7	- 

51	1971	Dodge Charger Hemi                   	13.71	@	104.00	5.8	- 

52	1969	Plymouth GTX 440+6                   	13.71	@	102.80	5.7	- 

53	1971	Plymouth Road Runner 440+6           	13.71	@	101.20	-  	- 

54	1971	Plymouth 'Cuda 440+6                 	13.72	@	106.00	-  	- 

55	1971	Chevy Corvette 454 LS5               	13.72	@	102.04	-  	- 

56	1968	Olds/Hurst 455 W-30                  	13.77	@	103.91	-  	- 

57	1968	Pontiac Firebird 400 High Output     	13.79	@	106.00	5.4	- 

58	1969	Pontiac GTO Judge Ram Air IV         	13.80	@	104.00	5.7	- 

59	1967	Chevy Corvette L71 427               	13.80	@	108.00	5.5	- 

60	1965	Pontiac Catalina 421+6               	13.81	@	106.00	3.9	- 

61	1970	Dodge Charger R/T Hemi               	13.82	@	105.00	5.5	- 

62	1966	Plymouth Satellite Hemi              	13.82	@	104.00	5.3	- 

63	1971	Ford Boss Mustang 351                	13.82	@	105.00	5.8	- 

64	1969	Ford Mustang Mach 1 428              	13.82	@	103.32	5.7	- 

65	1968	Oldsmobile 4-4-2 455                 	13.82	@	103.00	5.4	- 

66	1970	Buick GSX                            	13.82	@	101.00	6.5	- 

67	1969	Dodge Coronet 440+4                  	13.83	@	102.27	-  	- 

68	1968	Chevy Nova SS 396                    	13.85	@	104.00	- 	125

69	1968	Mercury Cyclone GT 428 CJ            	13.86	@	101.69	-  	- 

70	1969	Chevy Nova SS 396                    	13.87	@	105.10	-  	- 

71	1971	Ford Boss Mustang 351                	13.87	@	104.52	6.0	- 

72	1969	Mercury Cyclone Cobra Jet 428        	13.88	@	101.70	-  	- 

73	1970	Oldsmobile 4-4-2 455                 	13.88	@	95.84	-  	- 

74	1962	Chevy Corvette 327                   	13.89	@	105.14	-  	- 

75	1969	Plymouth Barracuda 440+4             	13.89	@	103.21	-  	- 

76	1962	Pontiac Catalina 421 2+2             	13.90	@	107.00	-  	- 

77	1969	Chevy Corvette L71 427               	13.90	@	105.00	7.0	- 

78	1969	Ford Mustang 428 Super Cobra Jet     	13.90	@	103.00	5.7	- 

79	1967	Pontiac GTO                          	13.90	@	102.80	-  	- 

80	1971	Pontiac Trans Am 400                 	13.90	@	102.00	5.6	- 

81	1969	Dodge Dart 383                       	13.90	@	102.00	-  	- 

82	1972	Chevy Corvette LT1 350               	13.92	@	104.00	5.7	- 

83	1968	Ford Mustang Cobra Jet 428           	13.92	@	102.00	5.8	- 

84	1970	Ford Torino Cobra 428                	13.99	@	101.00	6.0	- 

85	1966	Chevy Corvette L36 427               	13.99	@	100.00	5.7	-

I am Old School, I used to Drag Race Semi-Pro in the early 80's
I raced at Gator Nationals and owned several Muscle cars over the years.
I have never know a GTO Judge to run 11's Stock. Never happen.
The list above is accurate and is more real world than that of the Manufactures numbers.

Check out this heavly Modified GTO Judge running 10.6

History of the GTO
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/pontiac-gto/pontiac-gto-history.shtml

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Camaro Sales vs Mustang Sales

Mustang has always out Sold the Camaro

http://home.comcast.net/~2k05gt/images/Mustang_vs_Camaro_Sales.jpg

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Mustangs and Camaros are girl cars. Why are there men on this thread?

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The Camaro has Always had More HP than the Mustang..

http://home.comcast.net/~2k05gt/images/Mustang_vs_Camaro_HP.jpg

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Both of them sux.McLaren and Ferrari > cammaro and mustang,but if I have to choose between this two I will deffinetely choose the Mustang.

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@2k05gt,

this is a GTO that would kill any other car. I mean, like, rip anthing else to shreds.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-GTO-Timeslip-2734.html

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I'm gonna hav to disagree with a previous statement...
The camaro has always out powered the mustang by a long shot! Here are some examples:
-1967-68 SS-had a 396 producing 375 horses and 415 pound feet torque...
-1969 SS-had a 427... 7 liter producing 425-430 horses(WAY underated!!)..450 torque
-1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro-had a alluminum 427 work-horse... Rated at 430 horses(rated extremely low! for insurance purposes), but new dynos have rated it as high as 575 horses!!.. and 460 poung feet a torque!!!!... This is a total Mustang KILLER!!!!(:
-1970 Camaro SS- had a 396 producing 375 horses and 415 pound feet a torque
Now for some newer Camaro's:
-2000 Camaro- 5.7 liter V8 320 horses
-2001 Camaro- 5.7 liter V8 335 horses
GM cut production in 2002, but recently brought it back in 2009-2010
-2009-2010 Camaro SS- 6.2 liter V8 producing 426 horsepower!! (by-the-way... 2009-2010 Stang' ONLY has a 315 horse 4.6 liter!)

Now!... looking at these specs... compare them to the Mustang of the same year and you tell me which is more powerful!(:

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But the 2011 Mustang has 412 hp and out runs the 2011 Camaro by 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile and performs better in the twisties even thought the Camaro has IRS and the Mustang has a Live Axle..

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@TBONE,

This generation of Mustangs vs Camaro? I'm not sure about their technical stats of either car but on a gut aesthetic reaction? I prefer the Camaro is more aggressive and sportier of a design. Got my vote.

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@NTM,

NTM wrote:

-1969 SS-had a 427...

That was a COPO (the Yenko COPO in fact). The 1969 SS had at most a 396.

NTM wrote:

-1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro-had a alluminum 427 work-horse... Rated at 430 horses(rated extremely low! for insurance purposes), but new dynos have rated it as high as 575 horses!!.. and 460 poung feet a torque!!!!... This is a total Mustang KILLER!!!!(:

The 1969 ZL1 required higher-octane gas than was available at ordinary gas stations even when they were selling leaded gasoline, and the engine was not capable of idling. Not entirely practical except on a race track.

NTM wrote:

GM cut production in 2002, but recently brought it back in 2009-2010

GM is bringing back the ZL1 for 2012, by putting a supercharger on the 6.2 liter engine (and the modern ZL1 will be capable of idling and of using ordinary gasoline). It should be an interesting rival to the Cobra.

Anyway, how come no one is speaking up for MOPAR in this squabble over who has the best pony car??

My 2 Cents

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It probably matters a lot more whether you buy a base version vs a higher-end model than it matters whether you buy one brand verses another brand. If you want one, buy the one you want.

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@2k05gt,

2k05gt wrote:

Code:Rank Year Make/Model 1/4 mile MPH 0-60 Top Speed 3 1969 Chevy Camaro 427 ZL1 11.80 @ 122.00 4.1 200 7 1966 Chevy Corvette L72 427 12.80 @ 112.00 4.7 - 8 1967 Chevy Corvette L88 427 12.82 @ 113.00 4.8 - 12 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda Hemi 13.10 @ 107.12 5.8 160 13 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi 13.12 @ 107.12 5.4 160 19 1969 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.30 @ 108.00 5.1 - 24 1968 Chevy Corvette L72 427 13.41 @ 109.50 - - 28 1968 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.50 @ 111.00 4.8 170 39 1969 Chevy Corvette L88 427 13.56 @ 111.10 4.9 - 55 1971 Chevy Corvette 454 LS5 13.72 @ 102.04 - - 57 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 High Output 13.79 @ 106.00 5.4 -

I am Old School, I used to Drag Race Semi-Pro in the early 80's
I raced at Gator Nationals and owned several Muscle cars over the years.
I have never know a GTO Judge to run 11's Stock. Never happen.
The list above is accurate and is more real world than that of the Manufactures numbers.

I see some real problems with the list. The most glaring issue is: Why are the L88 Corvettes way below the L72 Corvettes, instead of right up by the ZL1?

And why did they cover the humdrum 1971 LS5 Vette, but skip the much more worthwhile LS6?

They clearly spared no effort to cover uncommon cars. They had numbers for the ZL1 version of the Corvette even though there were only two of them ever made. Yet somehow they miss the LS6 Vette?

And the same with the 68 Firebird. Just the ordinary version and not the high-performing Ram Air II?

And what was up with the Hemis? Did the drivers take a nap in the middle of the race or something?

Here are some more reasonable numbers:

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1969 Corvette L88		11.541

1969 Camaro ZL1			11.775

1970 Hemi Cuda			11.809

1968 Firebird 400 Ram Air II	11.826

1971 Corvette 454 LS6		11.944

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okay lets be honest camaros are the fastest pony cars and yea in the 80s and 70s mustangs were better then camaro but today the camaro beats the mustang in the 90's camaros killed the mustangs even the cobras don't front a ss camaro with a decent driver will beat a cobra yea thats right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1s8vfvhNys theres some facts and if thats not enough for the 90's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFZiDKUotQ theres some more and o yea for today here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-uTjaQ6E7g hey its not just that i love gm cars its also that i've burned to many mustangs and cobras to have people talk **** ight i have a 2000 b4c camaro pushing out 475 so yea i still run these new gt's down

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@2k05gt,

okay it out sold it's not about who sold more its about whats better its like cigarettes out sells apples but whats better the apple right when it comes down to it crack kills people camaros kill mustangs

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@TBONE,

Hi, I suggest you Camaro.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

GM is bringing back the ZL1 for 2012, by putting a supercharger on the 6.2 liter engine (and the modern ZL1 will be capable of idling and of using ordinary gasoline). It should be an interesting rival to the Cobra.

Actually, I'm sorry I mentioned that. (And mentioning it was actually the reason I started posting in this thread to begin with.)

Now that I've thought about it a bit, simply slapping a supercharger on a small block does not make a Camaro worthy of the label ZL-1.

Look at the aluminum V10 in the new Dodge Viper, and look at the high-revving aluminum engine in Ford's BOSS 302. Both are far more in the spirit of the original ZL-1 than an ordinary small block with a supercharger slapped on it. GM should do better.

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@b4cmoe,

b4cmoe wrote:

and yea in the 80s and 70s mustangs were better then camaro

The '70s Mustang?!? Better than the '70s Camaro?!?

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