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CAMARO VS MUSTANG?

 
 
Mustang1
 
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Reply Thu 3 May, 2007 10:08 pm
They have Been Bring the Camaro back ever since Ford hit a Mind boggling HomeRun with the 2005 Retro Mustang, Looks Like the 1967 Mustang FastBack.

GM seems to alway be sucking hind tit to Ford's Mustang. GM was caught with there pants down in 1964 when ford reviled the new Hit in April 17 1964. Ford sold over 1 million units within 18 months. Took GM only till the end of 1966 to bring the there answer.
1964 April 17 till Aug 17 64 Mustang Production 121,538
1965 Mustang Production 559,451
1966 Mustang Production 607,568
1967 Mustang Production 472,121 ... 1967 Camaro's Production 220,906
1968 Mustang Production 317,404 ... 1968 Camaro's Production 235,147
1969 Mustang Production 299,824 ... 1969 Camaro's Production 243,085

As you can see Camaro Numbers never really caught up to the Mustangs.
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racerxxx
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 08:25 am
timberlandko wrote:
NickFun wrote:
Nuthn beats a '64 Mustang.

There was no '64 Mustang. While introduced in late April of '64, the Mustang, developed on the Falcon platform, debuted as '65 model. Initially, there were 2 versions, a hardtop and a convertible, with a 2+2 fastback coming along a few months after its older siblings hit the market. The notion that the Mustang was the first of what became known as "Pony Cars" - sporty compacts - is erroneous; the Plymouth Barracuda beat it to the showrooms by several weeks. The first Barracudas shipped under Manufacturors' Certificates of Origin - the official shipping document from which a vehicle's initial title derives - designating them as '64 models, but all Mustangs produced from introduction through early July of '65 shipped as '65s. '66 Model Year Mustangs went into production in mid-July of '65.

One my of younger sisters got a brand new '65 Mustang in June of '64, a highschool graduation present. It had a 2-speed automatic (column shift), a 170ci, 101hp I6 engine, an AM radio (Philco) with 4 preset buttons, and a dealer-installed under-dash Muntz 4-track tape player, which had one speaker in the dash and one in the rear package shelf. She drove that thing untill it all but completely rusted away, some time in the mid '80s.



Oh, BTW - my vote goes to the Camaro - though I really preferred my 'Vettes for all out "Ohmigawd" motoring fun.


Correct but incorrect my freind....

The Mustang, introduced in April 1964, was built on the compact Falcon's platform and came with a Falcon suspension--soft springs and four-wheel drum brakes. The '64½ was actually considered a '65 by Ford, but many people use the terms to differentiate changes made by Ford after mid-August 1964. At this time there were engine changes, the Mustang switched from a generator to an alternator plus interior and exterior color revisions.

To be a '64-1/2 at all, a Mustang has to be factory-equipped with a generator charging system, a 170ci six (U-code), a 260 2V (F-code), or a 289 4V (D-code) low-compression, large horns mounted down on the frame behind the radiator, a brake light pressure switch on the master cylinder, a center "off" heater fan switch, and a generator charge light, just to name the basics. These are features exclusive to Mustangs built between early March and July 31, 1964

Early '65 Mustangs have the distinction of being the first block of Ponies ever produced. They were an integral part of the Mustang madness that swept the world in 1964. And if you have a "'64-1/2" built at Dearborn, that makes it even more significant in the relative scheme of things, because it was born in the motherland.
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racerxxx
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 08:29 am
Re: Mustang Vs. Camaro
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Mustang1 wrote:
And no production Camaro ever has had more power than a Mustang..


Really? Here are a couple of examples:

2002 Camaro Z28 = 325 horsepower. 2002 Mustang GT = 260 horsepower.

1980 Camaro Z28 = 190 horsepower, 1980 Mustang: 120 tops.

Unless you're saying the highest horsepower production Mustang is higher than the highest Camaro's, then you're probably right.


REALLY SLAPPY DOO? Read on my freind....

Recently voted America's favorite car of all time, the 37-year-old Ford Mustang just seems to roll along like a runaway freight train, headed for a certain future. Each year brings new surprises and delights to about 200,000 new owners. The latest delight is the 2003 SVT Cobra.
This will be the last year of production for the Mustang's archrivals, the Chevrolet Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird. That means the Mustang, which created the ponycar in the spring of 1964, will once again be alone in this segment in 2003.

With the new Cobra closing in on 400 horsepower and the Camaro and Firebird bowing out, the Mustang's future looks as bright as the sun.
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racerxxx
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 09:50 am
You are correct Slappy in selecting the one year Ford MC made the mistake of depowering the mustang to the shagrin of enthusiasts world wide.

The 1980 Mustang was changed somewhat, in fact it was one of the worst years Mustang had experienced under the hood.
The 2.8 liter V6 and 5.0 liter V8 were no longer available. The six was available and included the 3.3 liter straight six. Only one V8 was available and it only powered out 119 horsepower on a good day. It had 4.2 liters and 255 cubic inches on a small block. This V8 had two distinctions in 1980, it was the smallest V8 ever and it was the worst. The lack of horsepower may be a reason for slow sales of the V8 that year.

Somehow the Mustang's most powerful engine in 1980 was the 132 horsepower turbocharged 2.3 liter. In fact, this model was advertised as the Mustang's performance engine for 1980.

This in fact is the ONLY year Camaro put out a factory car with more available performance or horsepower than an available factory Mustang.....Not bad....one year out of nearly 40. Just the facts man.
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Cleric
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2007 05:34 pm
Mustang1 wrote:
2007 Ford Shelby GT500 5.4L V8 500 hp .... 2007 Camaro =/
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 hp ... 2003 Camaro =/
2002 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 hp ...2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 346 V8 325 hp
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 hp ...2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 346 V8 325 hp

The Strongest Camaro Ive found is the 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 hp Witch is a Nice Car.

The 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 5.4L V8 500 hp ... Is the Strongest Mustang

Im just saying Mustang has the highest hp @ 500 of the 2 cars makes

Took Mustang till 2007 to get 500 Horses But its good to see.

One day soon I hope GM pulls there head out and bring the camaro back Out. I cant belive they let it die in 2002 like they did.
Sales were low that year again, Camaro's at 42,098 units sold.
Mustangs 142,404 units sold in 2002.

Thats A Big Deferents in Sales if you ask me.




the 69 camaro zl1 actually had 630hp, 430 was the hp number of the single carburetor model...there were 3 options... a single 4 barrel carb, three 2 barrel carbs or 2 4 barrel carbs...

the zl1 had 2 4 barrel carbs for 630hp, it is still to date in 2007 the worlds fastest production engine (ie: a car sold at a dealership that anyone could walk in and buy)...it was also available in yenko and COPO camaros available to anyone in the public.


Camaros entered Trans Am racing in 1968 and won almost every race of 1968 and 1969 beating the mustang at what it was best at...

in the newer years, equivalent camaros and mustangs, camaros have always had more power and better handling since the 80's...but they are generally more expensive. The only exception is the 2003-05 mustang cobras which were supercharged and had a higher price range than a non supercharged camaro
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geetarman
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 04:30 am
Camaro vs Mustang
For the person saying no production camaro has ever beat a mustang. more horsepower dose not always equal to one car being faster. Torque has a lot do with it. I have read alot car and driver motor trend the camaro domintes the mustang in 0-60 and quarter mile times and 0-100 and both magazines rated the camaro a superior buy almost every year over the mustang. The mustang has only dominated the camaro in sales in recent years from the mid 90's up until the camaros last production year 2003. FYI the 2009 camaro beat the mustang performance simulation test as well. Bottom line camaro is faster thats why ford had to team up with shelby so they could compete with Dodge and Chevy. My brother has raced his camaros on the quarter mile against mustangs and has never lost a race to one.Bottom line the Caramo is the superior mucsle car.
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bob77777771
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 11:03 pm
Oh my GOD!!!!
Chevy is jerking their chain with the camaro ss, by puting a vette engine in. Yes that does beat the mustang. What i'm saying is if ford decided to put the GT engine in the mustang, the camaro would be eating it's dust. Rolling Eyes
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lsgunn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:53 pm
for all u mustang lovers: camaro has been whoopin dat ass since day one. In 2002 when production stopped, camaro came out with a bang! Zl1 with 600 hp. Now which mustang can level to dat. No supercharger all motor with a 427 alluminum block. But u guys new that allready RIGHT?
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camaross
 
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Reply Wed 22 Aug, 2007 02:23 pm
Camaro
I would say the Camaro is better than the regular Mustang but not better than the 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500. Razz
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:33 pm
LSGUNN.
First off the 2002 ZL1 never made it to final production and only sold 69 of them. 2nd - it never had 600 hp is was 400 hp
The 1969 ZL1 (was ratined at 425 and some claim 590hp) but only sold 13 because of heavy price tag.
and the Dyno at the time were using a different calculation for raitings
the Industry standardized in 1970 and started using SAE.

http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2002zl1/index2.shtml

to date the most power from a production factory car is the GT500 KR
at 550 HP.
and don't complain about a Supercharger because the new 2009 ZR1 Corvette is going to be supercharged to get 625 hp.

Manufactures are going to Superchargers because they are efficient and better on gas that cubic inches, even chevy is talking about a supercharged camaro because cubic inches is just not cutting it at the pump. and with the new government laws requiring cars to get a min. of 35 mpg by 2012, gone is the big block chevys and in comes the forced induction.

Chevy has already started using F/I in the new Cobolt SS and prior to that the Monti Carlo SS. so "Real Men Like to get Blown".
2008 GT500 Super Snake 725hp
http://www.carzi.com/2007/06/05/2008-shelby-gt500-super-snake-725-hp/
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:38 pm
You guys are missing the point.

The Camaro is coming back....

The new Mustang is the first not ugly one since 1969.

Lets not forget the Mustang II. Charlies Angels and all.

More to follow, Ford boys...

RH
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:42 pm
My 2005 Mustang GT runs 12.83 and 107 mph in the 1/4 Mile with under $1200 bucks in bolt-ons, Stock Motor and Stock Automatic Tranny.

I have the Following Mods.
JLT II Cold Air Intake - $175.00
SCT XCAL II Tune for 93 Octane - $379.00.
Steeda UDP. - $150.00
Steeda CMDP - $120.00
CHE Lower Contol Arms to reduce Wheel Hop. - $125.00
BFG Drag Radials Mounted on Stock Rims - $100.00
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:46 pm
You boys ever seen a 69 Goat......

All you needed was a set of slicks, No bolt ons, no flippin computers.

No problem.....(and a lower ET)

It was the "Judge" for a reason.

RH
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:59 pm
Rockhead wrote:
You guys are missing the point.

The Camaro is coming back.... Thanks to the Mustang.. Again!!
The new Mustang is the first not ugly one since 1969.
Lets not forget the Mustang II. Charlies Angels and all. But the Angels were Hot
More to follow, Ford boys...I for one am buying a Camaro as well as keeping My Mustang because I Love Both Cars
RH

Yes it is Coming back, but with what? Since I am buying one I have been following the info trail...

I know for a Fact that the Zeta Frame is going to weight Min. 3800 Lbs
and the Base V8 engine options will not include LS7 or LS2.

The Camaro will use the 362hp/391lbft L76 as the base V8
compaired to the Mustang weight of 3390 that puts them about even.
The Mustangs overall Advantage over the years has been that it's always been several hundred pounds lighter than the camaro.

There will be a LS3 Powered upper end Camaro to Compete with the GT 500 that will have about 425hp.

The Camaro will feature a Multi-Link Independent Rear suspension (4 link)
this will make it a bear to launch when drag racing. but since it's and Ausi design it will handle well in the twisties over the mustang. So in true American Fashion, the Mustang will wim in the straight line because we are not known for are high speed twistie roads.. Rolling Eyes
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:04 am
You can launch a four link, you just gotta tweak it.

Our 9.90 (super gas)car had a four link. You will just have to modify the new Camaro a bit...(it's a very slick design)

Once GM puts it back out, just wait. The aftermarket has been waiting too long.....

Former falcons beware...

RH
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:12 am
Rockhead wrote:
You boys ever seen a 69 Goat......

All you needed was a set of slicks, No bolt ons, no flippin computers.

No problem.....(and a lower ET)

It was the "Judge" for a reason.

RH

Yes I have, I Owned one once.
It has a 400 ci 375HP 445 FT Tq
0-60 mph 6.2 seconds.
1/4 Mile 14.5 seconds.
Top Speed of 124.3 mph
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z2350/default.aspx
With Slicks It could break 14's like 13.8.

My Mustang Tops that Stock as well..

Oh compaired to the 1969 GT500
429ci 405HP 470Tq
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z11257/Ford_Mustang%20GT500%20Convertible/default.aspx
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:18 am
I don't have the mag handy anymore, but a true "Judge" with "Ram Air IV" set up and 10 inch slicks was well into the elevens in the day....

Had a 69 GTO, as well, but not with all the bells and whistles....

GM won't launch the Camaro til it is overly competitve....

RH
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:18 am
Rockhead wrote:
You can launch a four link, you just gotta tweak it.

Our 9.90 (super gas)car had a four link. You will just have to modify the new Camaro a bit...(it's a very slick design)

Once GM puts it back out, just wait. The aftermarket has been waiting too long.....

Former falcons beware...
RH

I never Said you can't Launch one, it's just Hard, I know I had a 2005 GTO. Totaled by a Drunk Driver. Not Me ! Very Happy

Here is a good site to help teach people how to launch a IRS Rear.
http://www.rangeracceleration.com/Launch_Tips.html
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 12:59 am
Rockhead wrote:
I don't have the mag handy anymore, but a true "Judge" with "Ram Air IV" set up and 10 inch slicks was well into the elevens in the day....

Had a 69 GTO, as well, but not with all the bells and whistles....

GM won't launch the Camaro til it is overly competitve....
RH


GM needs to get it to Market before the Gas Prices and Inflation kill it again.

Both Ford and GM have always stayed within a hair between both cars leap froging along the way, this have always been a symbiotic relationship keeping the competition strong and sales stronger :wink:

Download my Spreadsheet of Mustang / Camaro Engine Specs over the years
http://home.comcast.net/~2k05gt/Muscle Car Engine Specs.XLS
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2k05gt
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 08:44 am
Rockhead wrote:
I don't have the mag handy anymore, but a true "Judge" with "Ram Air IV" set up and 10 inch slicks was well into the elevens in the day....

Had a 69 GTO, as well, but not with all the bells and whistles....

GM won't launch the Camaro til it is overly competitve....

RH

I think your talking about a Modified Car, the Stock 1960's Cars were not that fast compaired to today

http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1969-pontiac-gto-judge.htm

The 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 112.0
Weight, lbs: 4,000
Number built: 6,833
Base price: $3,488

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 400
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 10.75:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 370 @ 5500
Torque @ rpm: 445 @ 3900

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.2
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.4 @ 98

http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/muscle/gto/69GTO.frame
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