Thoughts on gun control

A 13-year-old student fired an AK-47 inside middle school Monday morning

Story by The Associated Press

9:10 a.m. Monday, October 9, 2006

Authorities said no one was injured and the area is secure.

The student was wearing a mask and pointed the assault rifle at Principal Steve Gilbreth, Assistant Superintendent Steve Doerr and two students, saying, "not to make me do this," Superintendent Jim Simpson said.

Simpson said the teen then fired a shot into the ceiling, breaking a water pipe, and said again, "Please don't make me do this."

"It was a very close call," Joplin R-8 Superintendent Jim Simpson said

Doerr and Gilbreth persuaded the student to leave the building, where he was confronted by two police officers with weapons drawn. The student dropped the rifle and was taken into custody, Simpson said. The student's identity was not released.

Joplin police Officer Curt Farmer said officers found a note in the student's backpack indicating that he had placed an explosive in the school, which has about 700 students. Students in the school were moved to nearby Joplin Memorial Hall, and the school was closed while officers searched the building.

The student was wearing a mask and apparently had been planning an attack for a "long time," Simpson said. He didn't elaborate and said authorities did not know whether others were involved.

This discussion was about whether Gunga is racist because he condemns Islamic terrorists and those who approve of and support them.

Foxfyre wrote:

This discussion was about whether Gunga is racist because he condemns Islamic terrorists and those who approve of and support them.

Yes, correct.

Yes, and it always refers to that form of Islam that would send young boys and men strapped with explosives into a crowded market or onto a crowded bus to blow themselves up and thereby guarantee their admission to heaven and sexual favors from a bevy of virgins.

I have not seen him slam any Muslims other than these. If his intention is to include all Muslims everywhere, then he is clearly wrong, but I have not seen that.

My own preference at this point would be to ban the religion outright within the United States, practitioners being told they had thirty days to find another religion or another country, and simply get it over with.

The 80% of muslims who lead rational lives would find other religions, and the rest would be well gotten rid of.

Problem is, just how big that slice is is one of life's unknowables. The religion itself is basically a call to insanity and you have to assume that at any given time, something like ten percent of its adherants are ready to heed that call. Ten percent of a billion people is way too many lunatics to have running around loose.

Sooner or later if the religion cannot be substantially and massively cleaned up, it has to be shut down and banned. In a place like the United States or England, a substantial and massive cleanup would have to mean loyalty oaths, eliminating of all wahhabi influence (in the US that would mean deporting virtually all imams and religious officials), elimination of the little hate schools, and elimination of those parts of the religion which no nation or people should be expected to tolerate in their midst which would involve a substantial rewrite of the Koran itself and virtually all of the literature and basis of the religion.

I try to judge people by what I believe is their obvious intent rather than some mushy politically correct standard. If he says he hates all Muslims and all should be banned, then I will indeed criticize that. I think until he does, he deserves benefit of the doubt.

Surely you do not condone Islamofacist terrorists that do not themselves issue in Heaven ahead of schedule but train their children to do that duty for the purpose of frightening, injuring, maiming, killing as many innocent men, women, and children as possible? Do you condone that? Do you condone lobbing rockets into residential neighborhoods in the name of Allah? Do you condone a faction of a religion whose one purpose is to subjugate the entire world to their control, authority, and law? Are you taking the side of these while you condemn a member who condemns them?

Foxfyre wrote:

He slurs Muslim terrorists. So do I. So should you.

Have you actually read any of his posts where he calls it the "slammite" religion and advocates a legal ban on it? Fox, really, you don't want to take his side on this one.

Foxfyre and facts....?



It just never works.

Foxfyre wrote:

I try to judge people by what I believe is their obvious intent rather than some mushy politically correct standard. If he says he hates all Muslims and all should be banned, then I will indeed criticize that. I think until he does, he deserves benefit of the doubt.

See above. It's not some politically correct standard I'm applying to him. It's as simple as this: replace "slammite" with "jews" in his posts and see how that sits with you. It's the same kind of talk that some anti-Israel posters are (and should be) regularly condemned and/or ignored for. The fact that you can't see that makes me think even less of your objectivity.

FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I try to judge people by what I believe is their obvious intent rather than some mushy politically correct standard. If he says he hates all Muslims and all should be banned, then I will indeed criticize that. I think until he does, he deserves benefit of the doubt.

See above. It's not some politically correct standard I'm applying to him. It's as simple as this: replace "slammite" with "jews" in his posts and see how that sits with you. It's the same kind of talk that some anti-Israel posters are (and should be) regularly condemned and/or ignored for. The fact that you can't see that makes me think even less of your objectivity.

I don't understand Foxfyre's mushy reaction to such gratuitously hateful talk either.

If he has had no contact or experience with such peaceful Muslims, however, or has not witnessed Muslims condemning the terrorist activities of their lunatic fringe, it is not hard to understand how somebody could arrive at a more radical conclusion about Islam than is warranted. Again before I condemn a person, I like to know where the person is coming from and, for that reason, believe Gunga should have the opportunity to state his position before we all start throwing rocks.

"For instance, it would not be hard for anybody reading this last series of posts to conclude that Gunga presents a far more dangerous threat and warrants absolute condemnation far more than Islamic terrorists. The sheer weight of criticism is targeted at him and you would think there are no Islamofacist terrorist types out there at all."

Nope, would not be hard at all, in fact, quite easy.

You know, I'd hate to live in a society where I felt fearful enough
to believe that I had to own a gun, just in case.
That I had to own one to feel safe.

I'd hate to be wondering if someone who looked a bit furtive
in the street might just have a concealed weapon on them.

I don't think I could live with that sort of constant fear

& mistrust.
I'm so grateful I don't have to.

msolga wrote:

You know, I'd hate to live in a society where I felt fearful enough
to believe that I had to own a gun, just in case.
That I had to own one to feel safe.

That 's like saying
that I 'd hate to live in a society
where I felt fearful enuf that I HAD to
own a spare tire just in case to feel SAFE from flat tires,
or saying
that I 'd hate to live in a society
where I felt fearful enuf that I HAD to
have fire insurance on my house, just in case
even tho there had been no fires in the neighborhood.

Foxfyre wrote:

If he has had no contact or experience with such peaceful Muslims, however, or has not witnessed Muslims condemning the terrorist activities of their lunatic fringe, it is not hard to understand how somebody could arrive at a more radical conclusion about Islam than is warranted. Again before I condemn a person, I like to know where the person is coming from and, for that reason, believe Gunga should have the opportunity to state his position before we all start throwing rocks.

Such touchy/feely sensitivity! And they say liberals are soft-hearted and weak. I guess the same approach could be used to understand Hitler, who, for all we know, didn't have any nice Jewish friends. He couldn't help hating 'em!

Dartagnan wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

If he has had no contact or experience with such peaceful Muslims, however, or has not witnessed Muslims condemning the terrorist activities of their lunatic fringe, it is not hard to understand how somebody could arrive at a more radical conclusion about Islam than is warranted. Again before I condemn a person, I like to know where the person is coming from and, for that reason, believe Gunga should have the opportunity to state his position before we all start throwing rocks.

Such touchy/feely sensitivity! And they say liberals are soft-hearted and weak. I guess the same approach could be used to understand Hitler, who, for all we know, didn't have any nice Jewish friends. He couldn't help hating 'em!

Hitler ordered six million Jews to their death.

I am unaware that Gunga has ever hurt anybody.

You want to stick with that comparison?

Foxfyre wrote:

This discussion was about whether Gunga is racist because he condemns Islamic terrorists and those who approve of and support them.

Yes, correct.

I am unaware that Gunga has ever hurt anybody.

Foxfyre wrote:

Dartagnan wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

If he has had no contact or experience with such peaceful Muslims, however, or has not witnessed Muslims condemning the terrorist activities of their lunatic fringe, it is not hard to understand how somebody could arrive at a more radical conclusion about Islam than is warranted. Again before I condemn a person, I like to know where the person is coming from and, for that reason, believe Gunga should have the opportunity to state his position before we all start throwing rocks.

Such touchy/feely sensitivity! And they say liberals are soft-hearted and weak. I guess the same approach could be used to understand Hitler, who, for all we know, didn't have any nice Jewish friends. He couldn't help hating 'em!

Hitler ordered six million Jews to their death.

I am unaware that Gunga has ever hurt anybody.

You want to stick with that comparison?

My comparison concerned apologists for those who express hatred...

Oh yeah, "RACISM"........

How the hell does despising Islam make somebody a racist? Is anybody here claiming that Islam is a RACE or something like that? Or that Chechens, Iranians, Albanians and other kinds of white slammites are figments of people's imaginations or something??