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Sat 24 Jun, 2006 05:21 pm
I am illiterate in German.
Could someone possibly tell me how to pronounce the first letter K in the German word "Kaiser"?
Is it different from the pronunciation of "c" in the English word "Caesar"?
Thanks a lot!
Hard k, like in "kick". Kaiser comes from Caesar, but it's been Germanicized.
Kaiser comes from Beckenbauer.
Kaiser roll often served as a sandwich with perhaps roast chicken, a slice of tomato, lettuce and a pickle.
Is Kaiser in German not similar to Caesar in English?
In English, it would be emperor.
Kaiser = "K-eye-zer"
Caesar = "See-zar"
Kaiser = "K-eye-zer"
Caesar = "See-zar"
Here is more about Roman naming conventions than you ever wanted to know:
All Romans were given a name, which was followed by the family or clan name, and that followed usually by a "cognomen"--a "nickname." The person you think of as Caesar was one of a long line of members of an old clan, the Julians--actually, Iulii, as the Romans did not have a letter "j" in their alphabet. Many of the old clans of Rome were destroyed in the numerous social wars, especially during the reign of the Dictator, Sulla, who proscribed thousands of people, which eventually meant that they would be executed if arrested. Some people have reported that the proscribed 5,000 people. Gaius Iulius Caesar, born about 100 BCE, was proscribed by Sulla in 81 BCE for refusing to divorce his wife--but he escaped, and returned to Rome after Sulla retired from the Dictatorship.
His family was a provincial branch of the Iulii, and it is believed that the Iulii (or Julians) in Rome had been wiped out. He was given the name Gaius at birth, and was either given the cognomen "Ceasar" (which means "the bald one," or "baldy") then or shortly thereafter. He was bald, based on coins and busts made of him in his lifetime, but the family apparently had a tendancy to baldness, and the cognomen Ceasar was common for centuries before he was born.
Giaus was a common given name. One of Claudo-Julian emperors was named Gaius (other than the first emperor, Gaius Iulius Caesar). Claudo-Julian refers to the fact that Caesar had adopted Octavian as his successor, and Octavian married Julia Claudius, who is accused of poisoning his children, so that her son, Tiberius, would succeed him as emperor. Whether or not that is true, Tiberius did succeed him, even though Octavian didn't like him. Octavian took the name Caesar Augutus, and that is how he is known to history.
Members of Julia's clan, the Claudii, filled the imperial office thereafter. The emperor Giaus, who succeeded Tiberius, was the son of a successful military commander, Drusus Claudius Germanicus. His cognomen, Germanicus, was given to him for his success fighting the German tribes. His son's given name was Gaius Claudius Germanicus, following the convention of giving to the son a cognomen earned by the father. Germanicus had a miniature uniform of a general made for his son, including the elaborate gilded sandals such a high-ranking officer wore. The heavy sandals which the soldiers wore on campaign were common referred to by a word translated as boot. The "boots" which the little boy wore were much admired by the soldiers, and he was given the nickname, or cognomen, Caligula--Little Boot. The emperor whose official name was Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus is therefore known to history as Caligula.
Cognomen's were used by all Romans, not just the Patrician families. In the late legendary period of Roman history, there was an incident which shows how cognomens were created. The people of Rome, mistrusting the Patricians, had forced them to create the office of Tribune. Later, an office of Military Tribune was created, to protect the rights of the people when fighting outside Rome agains their enemies. Usually (but not always), the Military Tribunes were taken from among the Plebs--the common people. One such Military Tribune was Marcus Valerius, and when the Romans were fighting the Gauls (the Kelts), the Gauls called out the Romans to send a single soldier to fight their champion in single combat. Marcus Valerius was asked to fight, being considered one of the bravest and most skillful of Roman soldiers. He was holding the "Eagle," the standard of the Legion, and a crow landed on the standard as he was preparing to go out to fight. The Romans considered birds to be omens, and many of the soldiers were dismayed. Marcus Valerius loudly proclaimed that the crow knew the Romans would provide them good food (i.e., the dead body of their enemies) and that was considered a good omen by the other soldiers, who took courage from the sign. (Part of the legendary history is that the crow landed on the shoulder of Marcus Valerius, and attacked the Gaulic champion when they fought, but that is highly doubtful.) Ever after, Marcus Valerius was known by the cognomen Corvus--The Crow.
Here is more about Roman naming conventions than you ever wanted to know:
All Romans were given a name, which was followed by the family or clan name, and that followed usually by a "cognomen"--a "nickname." The person you think of as Caesar was one of a long line of members of an old clan, the Julians--actually, Iulii, as the Romans did not have a letter "j" in their alphabet. Many of the old clans of Rome were destroyed in the numerous social wars, especially during the reign of the Dictator, Sulla, who proscribed thousands of people, which eventually meant that they would be executed if arrested. Some people have reported that the proscribed 5,000 people. Gaius Iulius Caesar, born about 100 BCE, was proscribed by Sulla in 81 BCE for refusing to divorce his wife--but he escaped, and returned to Rome after Sulla retired from the Dictatorship.
His family was a provincial branch of the Iulii, and it is believed that the Iulii (or Julians) in Rome had been wiped out. He was given the name Gaius at birth, and was either given the cognomen "Ceasar" (which means "the bald one," or "baldy") then or shortly thereafter. He was bald, based on coins and busts made of him in his lifetime, but the family apparently had a tendancy to baldness, and the cognomen Ceasar was common for centuries before he was born.
Giaus was a common given name. One of Claudo-Julian emperors was named Gaius (other than the first emperor, Gaius Iulius Caesar). Claudo-Julian refers to the fact that Caesar had adopted Octavian as his successor, and Octavian married Julia Claudius, who is accused of poisoning his children, so that her son, Tiberius, would succeed him as emperor. Whether or not that is true, Tiberius did succeed him, even though Octavian didn't like him. Octavian took the name Caesar Augutus, and that is how he is known to history.
Members of Julia's clan, the Claudii, filled the imperial office thereafter. The emperor Giaus, who succeeded Tiberius, was the son of a successful military commander, Drusus Claudius Germanicus. His cognomen, Germanicus, was given to him for his success fighting the German tribes. His son's given name was Gaius Claudius Germanicus, following the convention of giving to the son a cognomen earned by the father. Germanicus had a miniature uniform of a general made for his son, including the elaborate gilded sandals such a high-ranking officer wore. The heavy sandals which the soldiers wore on campaign were common referred to by a word translated as boot. The "boots" which the little boy wore were much admired by the soldiers, and he was given the nickname, or cognomen, Caligula--Little Boot. The emperor whose official name was Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus is therefore known to history as Caligula.
Cognomen's were used by all Romans, not just the Patrician families. In the late legendary period of Roman history, there was an incident which shows how cognomens were created. The people of Rome, mistrusting the Patricians, had forced them to create the office of Tribune. Later, an office of Military Tribune was created, to protect the rights of the people when fighting outside Rome agains their enemies. Usually (but not always), the Military Tribunes were taken from among the Plebs--the common people. One such Military Tribune was Marcus Valerius, and when the Romans were fighting the Gauls (the Kelts), the Gauls called out the Romans to send a single soldier to fight their champion in single combat. Marcus Valerius was asked to fight, being considered one of the bravest and most skillful of Roman soldiers. He was holding the "Eagle," the standard of the Legion, and a crow landed on the standard as he was preparing to go out to fight. The Romans considered birds to be omens, and many of the soldiers were dismayed. Marcus Valerius loudly proclaimed that the crow knew the Romans would provide them good food (i.e., the dead body of their enemies) and that was considered a good omen by the other soldiers, who took courage from the sign. (Part of the legendary history is that the crow landed on the shoulder of Marcus Valerius, and attacked the Gaulic champion when they fought, but that is highly doubtful.) Ever after, Marcus Valerius was known by the cognomen Corvus--The Crow.
Setanta wrote:Kaiser = "K-eye-zer"
Pronounced nearly as it would be done by a German speaking person, at the M-W website
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?kaiser01.wav=kaiser
During WW2, a man called Henry J. Kaiser built ships for the
Atlantic support and shortened the war considerably.
......................................
In that year alone, the nation's shipyards produced
19,210,000 deadweight tons, a quantity larger than all the
tonnage delivered in the united States from 1914 through
1938. The greatest percentage of ships was built on the
West Coast, predominantly at the San Francisco Bay and
Colombus River yards of Henry J. Kaiser. The builder of the
San Francisco Bay Bridge and the Grand Coulee, Bonneville,
and Hoover Dams, Kaiser converted his construction
expertise into mass production of 1,552 ships for the
Maritime Commission between 1941 and 1945.
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http://www.angelfire.com/in/shiphistory/libvicship.html
...if you mispronouce the word 'kaiser' , he'll come after you with his 'pickelhaube' - try to pronouce that !
hbg