Bible vs. Science

xingu wrote:

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Just how high were the mountains during Noah's day. If you claim Everest was not 29,000 feet because the Bible didn't say anything about Everest does that mean anything the Bible fails to mention did not exist? Just how high were mountains in Noah's day? Can you back up your answer with Bible verse?

Are not marine fossils often found on high mountains?

Perhaps there were atmofish, now extinct?

The bible deals with why we have war and crime and sickness and death and what God intends to do to bring about relief.

It was written for the common man and and is not intended as a science textbook.

neologist wrote:

xingu wrote:

Neologist wrote:

If you don't believe the bible account, how did you arrive at the assertion that the people were innocent, or that there were 100's of thousands?

I suppose your going to tell me that fetus', babies and little kids were guilty. Just who put them all on earth to begin with? By your belief God did. So he gives them life, allows them to reproduce knowing they were "evil" and kills them.

Very logical and very humane. Perhaps we should follow his example. He is perfect after all.

How many people do you thing inhabited the earth at thet time....a hundred? Mind you we're also talking about North and South America. Or maybe they didn't exist yet. I don't recall the Bible saying anything about them.

If you had actually read the bible, you would know that those who died never knowing the truth about God have been promised a resurrection during which they will have the opportunity to regain for themselves the promise that Adam and Eve lost.

That applies to nearly all humans past and present.

God has never abandoned his original purpose for humans to live forever on earth. The Edenic rebellion has produced what will someday be viewed as a mere hiccup in the stream of time.

He can make the bodies disappear without a trace but he insists on watching all of them drown in extreme pain. Face it, they were murdered for entertainment and little else.

. . . What Bible are you talking about?????

The Bibles I own...and I have a book shelf full of them...certainly don't have a god who intends to bring relief from any of those things. . .

Hell, the god in the Bibles I own seems hell bent on increasing the war, crime, and death...and although it can relieve sickness at the bat of any eye...seems disinclined to do so. . .

I don't require you to believe the bible; but I will challenge you when you use straw man arguments to discredit its validity.

Death is not God's fault, but came about as a consequence of the Edenic rebellion. The bible exists to explain God's solution to the issues raised; and I'll give you a hint: They don't all have to do with our temporary comfort.

And you are correct in saying God could 'relieve sickness at the bat of any eye'; but why are you so impatient?

Xingu,

If you will excuse me saying this, but you guys need a new script! This one is so worn out.

1. Blame God if you want that's your decision. If you think you don't have free will trying going out there and killing someone and tell me how that works out, ok? You have the free will to make choices between right and wrong. And, as far as children go, they are not held accountable for their actions until they reach the age of reason (they know right from wrong) so, sorry, that dog don't hunt.

2. How many times must you and others be told I DO NOT REQUIRE PROOF (Caps for Emphasis Only)? I don't want proof. I don't need proof. My experiences with God, my faith, my beliefs, etc., are my evidence of God but they are not the types of evidence you and others are wanting or would accept. I don't know what makes you require proof anymore than I know what makes me not require proof. I just don't.

3. If you could just get the concept of God you just might understand a bit of this. God is on one end of the spectrum so perfect, pure, and holy and we are on the opposite end of the spectrum. Even the tiniest sin (in man's eyes) is wicked in the eyes of God because of His pureness, His holiness and His perfection. God's ways are higher than that of men.

4. Do me a favor? Look up the Midianites. That's another part of the "script" I'm talking about. Yeah, God wiped them out. He sure did. Thing is, your (not literally your) script leaves out the fact that the Midianites actually had children just so that they could sacrifice them in the fires of Molech. Xingu, that would be the parents throwing their own children into fire. If that is not wicked and evil, I don't know what is. The priests shouted and played on drums so that the children's screams could not be heard. Now, you tell me Xingu, you think these people were worthy of living?

As long as you and others will seemingly believe that man and intellect are greater than God you won't understand any of this and it will sound like foolishness to you.

If you had actually read the bible, you would know that those who died never knowing the truth about God have been promised a resurrection during which they will have the opportunity to regain for themselves the promise that Adam and Eve lost.

Neologist wrote:

If you had actually read the bible, you would know that those who died never knowing the truth about God have been promised a resurrection during which they will have the opportunity to regain for themselves the promise that Adam and Eve lost.

So is that why he killed everyone in the world, because they didn't know the truth about God and killing them was the only way to resurrect them?

By the way Adam and Eve is another myth, but this one is not based on any real life incident. It is pure fable, but like all fables it does have a message.

Could you please provide actual evidence for your assertions?

Oh I see, it's ok for some Midianites to kill their children but it's not ok for God to punish them because they didn't kill as many as God did? That sure sounds like what you are saying. Like I said, until you understand the concept of who God really is, not just one side of Him, but the full counsel of God, then yes, your human mind is going to tell you the things you just posted.

Please stop blaming God, Xingu (again, that is what it looks like to me).

. . . Like a plane landing down, the idea passed right over your head. If God is all-powerful then why didn't he simply make them die in a painless way?

One must ask what the purpose of the flood was. It didn't get rid of the evil inclinations of humans.

It doesn't warn of any future punishment. . .

Why are starving kids so impatient to eat? Gosh!

. . . So is that why he killed everyone in the world, because they didn't know the truth about God and killing them was the only way to resurrect them?
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2. God knows everything. He knew whether those children were going to grow up or be sacrificed in that fire. Obviously they were going to grow up the same as their parents or be sacrificed in the fire. God took care of the problem. Nipped it in the bud, so to speak.

Again, death is not God's purpose for man. It is a consequence of man's rebellion.

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Could you please provide actual evidence for your assertions?

Tell you what Intrepit, you give me some good scientific evidence that man can live forever. You prove to me that that there was a Garden of Eden. You tell me where it was and give me the archeological evidence to back up your claim. You prove to me there existed a fruit tree that had fruit of good and evil. You give me the genus and species of the tree of knowledge. Don't be so presumptuous as to tell me I have to provide evidence denying something you have no evidence for.