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And the left got fooled again

 
 
Reply Sat 27 May, 2006 11:04 pm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50406



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ON THE HOME FRONT
'Ranger' who boasted of murdering
Iraqi civilians debunked by Army
Man claiming soldiers 'plow[ed] down entire families'
also kicked out of anti-war vet group for being fraud

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Posted: May 27, 2006
5:45 p.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The U.S. Army says it has no record of a man who claimed to have "slaughtered" hundreds of civilians while serving with the Army Rangers in Iraq.


Jesse MacBeth, appearing in a 20-minute video produced by Randy Rowland, a 1970s antiwar activist, claimed to have personally killed 200 people, many of them at close range, while on patrols with the Army Rangers during his 16 months in Iraq before being discharged due to wounds he received.

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"Now the Army is saying there is no record of MacBeth or his service with the Rangers or Special Forces.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce noted several red flags in the videotape.

"There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the soldier's uniform - a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef," Boyce told Stars and Stripes.

A phototograph of MacBeth appearing in the video shows him wearing his beret with the insignia centered over the wrong eye, said Boyce.

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MacBeth, following a similar path, spoke at a March 19 anti-war rally in Tacoma, Wash., sponsored by Iraq Veterans Against the War and other organizations.

In the interview, MacBeth claimed to be a member of IVAW, a claim the organization denied shortly after the video appeared online. Since that denial, IVAW has reputiated MacBeth in a statement on its website:

"Questions have been raised about Jesse MacBeth and his claims of service in Iraq. MacBeth came to Iraq Veterans Against the War in January 2006 asking for help, and the organization and its members extended itself to help him in various ways. Assisting veterans is one of the founding principles of IVAW and it is a mission that we take seriously. After looking into his recent claims, we have learned that Jesse is not what he represented himself to be. Accordingly, IVAW does not in any way endorse Jesse MacBeth or any of his accounts involving military service. He - and he alone - is responsible for them. IVAW was not aware of the creation of the video program featuring MacBeth, and did not authorize use of our logo in the program."

IVAW member Garett Reppenhagen called MacBeth a "troubled kid."

"I'm not sure why he would want to be fraudulent to IVAW," Reppenhagen said.

According to United Press International, MacBeth told Socialistalternative.org in an April interview he currently works for Wendy's fast food restaurant.

"When I was growing up, everyone thought I'd be a criminal, but they were wrong. I'm gonna be one of the leaders of the revolution," Macbeth told the leftist website.

Questions and Observations, a blog that has covered the story closely, today claimed to have posted a copy of MacBeth's official DD214 military discharge document.

"It shows that he lasted all of one month and 13 days in the Army. It also shows he that he never had a primary specialty nor any awards and decorations. None. It also shows he was an E1 when discharged," wrote Bruce "McQ" McQuain.

"The bottom half of the form is just as revealing. Block 19 says 'Service Member has not completed first full term of service.' Block 24, as noted earlier, shows his service as 'Uncharacterized' which is only given to those who are discharged as trainees. Block 25 is key. It shows he was discharged under the authority of AR 635-200 Chapter 11. That means he was found to be unfit to remain in the Army and was dicharged for the good of the service. Or as many have said, a boot camp washout. We've been through the code for discharge in the next block, but the narrative reason for his discharge is found in block 28, which says 'Entry level performance and conduct,' or, he couldn't cut it."

Here is another report...

http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20060524-010141-9135r.htm

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060525/COLUMNISTS/605250351/1004/OPINION

Yet,this mans "story was jumped on by many on the antiwar left as an example of how "evil" the US forces are.

Of course,now that this ass has been exposed as a fraud,wanna bet the left will say they never heard of him.



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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 27 May, 2006 11:54 pm
Re: And the left got fooled again
mysteryman wrote:

Of course,now that this ass has been exposed as a fraud,wanna bet the left will say they never heard of him.


News Flash: Nobody HAS heard of him. Not till one of your favorite sources-WorldNetDaily-brought him up out of obscurity.

Here on A2K, I think we do a pretty good job keeping abreast of things-major news stories don"t escape us.

Well, I did a search for "MacBeth" in the Politics section here. EVERY single reference was to the play, not to this guy you are talking about. I checked "McBeth", just in case of misspellings-zilch. Nobody on this forum was aware of Jesse MacBeth until WorlNetDaily dredged him up. As for that twenty minute video about him, who the heck has seen it? Have you? Has it been broadcast on network TV?

Do you have any idea how many documentaries or videos are made by independent filmakers each year? Perhaps millions. Only a small percentage ever get shown on any major outlet. Unless you can tell me where this video has been shown, and on which major outlet, there is no story here.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 27 May, 2006 11:56 pm
Re: And the left got fooled again
kelticwizard wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

Of course,now that this ass has been exposed as a fraud,wanna bet the left will say they never heard of him.


News Flash: Nobody HAS heard of him. Not till one of your favorite sources-WorldNetDaily-brought him up out of obscurity.

Here on A2K, I think we do a pretty good job keeping abreast of things-major news stories don"t escape us.

Well, I did a search for "MacBeth" in the Politics section here. EVERY single reference was to the play, not to this guy you are talking about. I checked "McBeth", just in case of misspellings-zilch. Nobody on this forum was aware of Jesse MacBeth until WorlNetDaily dredged him up. As for that twenty minute video about him, who the heck has seen it? Have you? Has it been broadcast on network TV?

Do you have any idea how many documentaries or videos are made by independent filmakers each year? Perhaps millions. Only a small percentage ever get shown on any major outlet. Unless you can tell me where this video has been shown, and on which major outlet, there is no story here.


The tape, titled "Jesse Macbeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out," first aired in April on Seattle public access television on the show "Indymedia Presents" and has since been posted online.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:00 am
The "again" in your headline refers to what exactly in this context, mm?
(Hamandiya? Haditha?)
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:11 am
Re. your title "And The Left Got Fooled Again"

So, in your eyes, the people who protest military atrocities and major crimes are "The Left"?

Crimes reported and authenticated by multiple international news organisations, btw.

Are we to assume that "The Right" approve or excuse these things?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:15 am
Re: And the left got fooled again
mysteryman wrote:
The tape, titled "Jesse Macbeth: An Iraq Veteran Speaks Out," first aired in April on Seattle public access television on the show "Indymedia Presents" and has since been posted online.


PUBLIC ACCESS TELEVISION? Who the heck watches that? Those are the shows where your local plumber goes down to the cable company and asks for a show, and he interviews people in the room the cable company gives him. Anybody can do it, it's pretty much unregulated, (mostly because nobody watches). Oh please. WorldNetDaily is so desperate for a story that their doing an expose' on somebody's local cable company's public access show? ROFLMAO!!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:23 am
Quote:
WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- An independent video company this week suspended distribution of an interview with a purported recently retired Army Ranger who alleges American soldiers committed major war crimes. The man, Jesse Macbeth, claims to be a member of Iraq Veterans Against War, a Philadelphia outfit.

IVAW disavowed Macbeth May 23.

'Iraq Veterans Against the War recently learned of a video interview with Jesse MacBeth that directs viewers to IVAW`s Web site and phone number. IVAW was not made aware of the creation of this video program and our input on it was never sought by its producers. Jesse MacBeth is not a spokesperson for IVAW and any claims made by MacBeth about his service have not been verified. We are currently investigating these claims and will have a full statement pending its resolution,' it states on its Web site.
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The Macbeth tape continues to live on the Internet, where it has been cached by a number of sites -- both in support of the war and the military and anti-war.
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source
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:33 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The "again" in your headline refers to what exactly in this context, mm?
(Hamandiya? Haditha?)


The left got fooled by Cindy Sheehan.
Remember her?

This is the woman that was so distraught by here sons death that she camped out at the Bush Ranch.
She was trying so hard to "honor her sons memory that she hasnt even bothered to put a FREE headstone,paid for by the US govt,on her sons grave.
But,she has time to meet with anti American politicians from around the world.
The left bought her story hook line and sinker,but now they dont seem to want anything to do with her.

McTag,
You said...

Quote:
Re. your title "And The Left Got Fooled Again"

So, in your eyes, the people who protest military atrocities and major crimes are "The Left"?

Crimes reported and authenticated by multiple international news organisations, btw.

Are we to assume that "The Right" approve or excuse these things?


No,the "right" does not approve of or excuse these actions,WHEN PROVEN.
The difference is that the lunatic fringe on the left (which seems to get bigger every day),has believed EVERY negative story that anyone puts out about the military,no matter how farfetched it seems to be.

According to some of the left on here,EVERY civilian in Iraq was killed by an American,and there is no other reason.
So,is that the mainstream view of the left?

As for crimes committed by US forces,I have yet to see anyone get away with a crime.
But remember,it must be PROVEN that a crime was committed.
It seems many on the left dont want to wait for proof,or give American soldiers the same rights they want suspected terrorists to have.

So again,I repeat...the left got fooled again.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:33 am
Another News Fkash!

The Right better start eyeing the unfolding investigation of Marine atrocities;it could make My Lai look positively benign.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:36 am
mysteryman wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The "again" in your headline refers to what exactly in this context, mm?
(Hamandiya? Haditha?)


The left got fooled by Cindy Sheehan.
Remember her?

This is the woman that was so distraught by here sons death that she camped out at the Bush Ranch.
She was trying so hard to "honor her sons memory that she hasnt even bothered to put a FREE headstone,paid for by the US govt,on her sons grave.
But,she has time to meet with anti American politicians from around the world.
The left bought her story hook line and sinker,but now they dont seem to want anything to do with her.


I actually see nothing that compares a free headstone to that video and the quoted fooling of the left.

But your views on it are really different.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:38 am
Do you think this story is a distraction manufactured to blind people to the November Haditha massacre which is hitting the news recently? The timing with it is uncanny.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:41 am
panzade wrote:
Another News Fkash!

The Right better start eyeing the unfolding investigation of Marine atrocities;it could make My Lai look positively benign.


As a former marine,I have been following the story.
I am on record as saying that I want all the marines involved to get court martialed,and I want those marines found guilty to be shot by a firing squad.
I believe that IF the marines committed the atrocities,they deserve nothing less then the death penalty.

However,I am willing to wait for the investigation to finish,and let the courts handle it.
Unlike many on the left,I dont blame all marines,nor do I believe that what happened is SOP for the military.
I know that the military does NOT condone behavior like that,and that those involved WILL be punished,according to US law and the rules of warfare.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:41 am
At least I could think that this might be a purpose to post it here ... ... ...

According to Congressional and defence officials quoted by the Los Angeles Times, the pictures show wounds to the upper bodies of the victims, who included several women and six children. Some were shot in the head and some in the back. ... ... ... - that doesn't sound nice at all.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 12:49 am
To those outside of the US, public access TV is something the US government requires local cable carriers to provide. Basically, any citizen can come up and be put on a list of people to have show shown only in that local cable company's area-usually a few towns in a section of a state. The shows are half an hour, shown once a week, and almost invariably consist of some local person outside of broadcasting interviewing someone in a room the local cable company provides.

Everything is very amateurish on these shows and nobody really watches. In no way is anything on any of these shows the result of any national or even any local news organizations. In this case, some private citizen with a public access show showed a video from the internet. The video was on the internet because the filmmaker could not sell the video to any major national or even local news organization.

This video is what WorldNetDaily-and Mysteryman-is trying to pass off as some sort of accepted voice of the left. Hoo boy. Razz
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 01:10 am
The Left has not been fooled by Cindy Sheehan at all. In fact, Bush's mishandling of Cindy's quest was the beginning of the slide that now has him down to 29% in the polls.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 02:59 am
Significant is it not, that apparently only incidents/crimes where one of the participants recorded the results with his own camera (Abu Graib Prison and now this massacre by the Marines) which become an international cause celebre

Common sense therefore says that this is a very small tip of a very large and nasty iceberg. Most, almost all, military crimes get suppressed, censored and covered up.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 04:43 am
McTag wrote:
Most, almost all, military crimes get suppressed, censored and covered up.


Due to our history and what happened especially re that in the German Whermacht ... we don't have a seperated military justice (and investigation) system here.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 06:22 am
Walt, why can't you spell Wehrmacht? Laughing :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 06:31 am
Because no "marine" is in the that word :wink:
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 02:05 pm
littlek wrote:
Do you think this story is a distraction manufactured to blind people to the November Haditha massacre which is hitting the news recently?


Little K:

Absolutely, that is what it is. I never heard of this Jesse MacBeth character until MM brought up this WorldNetDaily article. He's clearly no hero to the Left-in fact nobody heard of him. The Right is struggling to find a story to counterbalance Abu Ghraib and the Marine atrocity, and all they have to go on is some unknown video on the internet which was shown on some local public access cable show.
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