Abortion.What do you think about it?

In America it is absolutlely illegal to fire someone for being pregnant.

Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

The lady who got the show on the road and has made a fortune out of it is Professor Ms Germaine Greer.An Australian.

She came in on an aeroplane way back when with an attention grabbing idea that "All men are rapists" and media jumped on the bandwagon because they know rape shifts kit and she has never looked back.

She has a big article in last weekend's Sunday Times with a nice photo of nearly half a page showing her in her younger days lying in the grass with two pieces of textile hiding her dirty bits.

She was a keen supporter of Mr Apisa's position or, to put it another way,
he is a keen supporter of hers.

Anyway- it's a long article and quite well written as one is entitled to expect from a professor at Oxford.

This is the last line;the conclusion so to speak.

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Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

But she's not in trouble. She's loaded and gets invited on to loads of chattering class programmes in order to get girls into even more trouble and to increase her already substantial wealth.

I'll quote her conclusion again in case fast readers missed it-

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Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

The real question is how do we rescue them. Some of us like them and don't just want to shag them self indulgently.

Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

That's exactly what Ms Greer said.

Which women do you mean. I certainly don't lump them all together in one stereotype as you need to do to make that fatuity up.

Suppose somebody criticised Hitler and then somebody then said that the critic had a horrible opinion of men to counter it.

What a silly thing it was you just said. The only function of it is to expose your intelligence level to view or to expose your estimation of the intelligence of readers here.

Most of the women I have ever known despise and detest Ms Greer and all her works and most of them have at least twenty pairs of shoes and a dressing room full of other kit and have been pregnant about twice.

Your smear, for that's all it is, displays a degree of desperation that concedes the case. It's a snort.

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Girls in our time are in trouble; raunch is not the half of it.

And they are too. I'll agree with her on that.

I'm afraid Frank that you are not a suitable person for me to discuss a serious subject like abortion with. You are far too prone to making up facile presumptions and then basing your arguments on them.I can easily do that if I wanted to stoop to such an infantile level of discourse.

It's quite common. I wouldn't worry about it but it's a waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

You are more in your element with the status of the fetus as it is a topic which has no solution except to those who consider it to be life from the start and then it isn't even a topic.

Ignore my posts will you. They are not directed at you anyway.

My guess is most of the women you have known have been desperate women. No telling what they would do.

You are far too prone to making up facile presumptions and then basing your arguments on them.

It was nowhere near as ugly as this-

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My guess is most of the women you have known have been desperate women. No telling what they would do.

The evidence for which is entirely confined to the activities within your own thought processes and has not the slightest thing to do with anyone else.

That sort of thing, which seems to be reflexive in your case, is what I had in mind when I said-

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You are far too prone to making up facile presumptions and then basing your arguments on them.

The only conclusions which can be drawn from your disgusting remark are that you are stupid or that you think we are. And that is obvious.

Leave serious discussion for people with ability...and thicker skins.

You call that serious discussion. Blimey, you can't stop yourself blurting out assertions can you.

Assertions are not any sort of discussion never mind serious and

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Leave serious discussion for people with ability...and thicker skins.

is an assertion. In fact it is two.No -three. And giving out orders. Gag the opposition eh? Thin skins always resort to that sort of stuff. It's like a hallmark.

If you want to do some serious discussion tell us whether you think that a woman who has had an abortion has undermined her femininity or not.

I'm saying she has done so and far enough for me to find her sexually uninteresting. If you don't mind following on behind the killing forceps that's up to you.

And I have said nothing there about what any woman should or shouldn't do with her own body. She can have silicone implants if she wants but they, like an abortion, would deflate me quickstyle.

There are a number of other things which would put me off a woman as well. Supporting abortion for example. Or capital punishment. Or being too easy.

The status of the fetus is self evident to me. It isn't a matter of pedantic discussion by legal experts and amateurs.

A woman wrote a novel a few years ago in which the main female character fed herself cleaning fluids and disinfectants during pregnancy in order to produce monstrously deformed children for exhibition in travelling shows. Presumably you are comfortable with that. It was her own body after all.

And if the government takes tax revenue off abortionists it is living off immoral earnings and that is why I never vote.

Women know that having an abortion is shameful which is why they sneak off to have it done and keep quiet about it afterwards. It is nothing but a convenience to try to square up the inconsistencies of sexual conduct in which "scoring" and "getting it away" with somebody's daughter is considered prima facie evidence of machismo whereas it is solid evidence of the very opposite.

And The Church will never shift its position on the matter. And neither will I. Madonna and Child is a prime icon of Western culture as is the idea of male sacrifice.

Sounds good to me. Send any over that you reject.

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And The Church will never shift its position on the matter. And neither will I. Madonna and Child is a prime icon of Western culture as is the idea of male sacrifice.


Tripe!

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A woman wrote a novel a few years ago in which the main female character fed herself cleaning fluids and disinfectants during pregnancy in order to produce monstrously deformed children for exhibition in travelling shows. Presumably you are comfortable with that. It was her own body after all.


You really are an ass, aren't you?

Go play in traffic!

I've got a toe nail that needs clipping!

The church at the moment has very little to say, sure in Africa they refuse to promote the use of Condoms, or to give them out, instead they allow the killer disease AIDS to spread, and also allow women to get pregnant just because sex in their eyes is immoral. Its about time religionists get off their high ground and help out.

FA wrote-

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Sounds good to me. Send any over that you reject.

They are interchangeable now are they?

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And The Church will never shift its position on the matter. And neither will I. Madonna and Child is a prime icon of Western culture as is the idea of male sacrifice.


Tripe!

So I presume you think The Church will change its position and that the Madonna and Child and Cross are not prime icons of Western culture.

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A woman wrote a novel a few years ago in which the main female character fed herself cleaning fluids and disinfectants during pregnancy in order to produce monstrously deformed children for exhibition in travelling shows. Presumably you are comfortable with that. It was her own body after all.


You really are an ass, aren't you?

Another infantile assertion standing in for an answer. One can only presume there isn't to be one forthcoming. I didn't write the book and I didn't even read it but I read a review of it in Literary Review written by a woman in shock. Don't you think that the "aren't you?" is a bit superfluous not to say stupid. I was only reporting the facts. I made no comment. Why would reporting the facts make me an ass?

I'm content to let other readers be the judge.

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Go play in traffic!

That's a white flag as is-

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I've got a toe nail that needs clipping!

A debate is not an argument. There is an audience to a debate. Why do you continually try to tell that audience what to think. They can make their own minds up after seeing both sides.

Why is it only me who is "obtruding". Are you not?

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The church at the moment has very little to say, sure in Africa they refuse to promote the use of Condoms, or to give them out, instead they allow the killer disease AIDS to spread, and also allow women to get pregnant just because sex in their eyes is immoral. Its about time religionists get off their high ground and help out.

Sex is not immoral in the eyes of The Church.