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Abortion.What do you think about it?

 
 
BDV
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 08:19 pm
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 02:02 am
spendius wrote:
FA wrote-

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Bullshyt.


Is that all you can excrete from the tips of your fingers Frank?


Nope.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 02:05 am
BDV wrote:
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?


Ending a pregnancy is a personal decision the pregnant individual should be able to make on her own. If you folks would just keep your noses out of that personal decision...the world would be a lot better place.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 03:03 am
FA wrote-

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Ending a pregnancy is a personal decision the pregnant individual should be able to make on her own.


How would you go about stopping them?

You're missing the point Frank.

And are you trying to say that these decisions are made without any reference to social or economic pressures. In what way is she on her own? How would she know how or where or when if she was on her own?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 11:34 am
spendius wrote:
FA wrote-

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Ending a pregnancy is a personal decision the pregnant individual should be able to make on her own.


How would you go about stopping them?


Stopping what??? A woman's right to decide???


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You're missing the point Frank.



No, Spendi...you are. And you are missing it big time.

The situation is a unique one...it is highly personal...everyone should keep their noses out of the decision except for the person who has to make it.


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And are you trying to say that these decisions are made without any reference to social or economic pressures.



Who cares what pressures are bearing? The decision is a personal one for the idividual making it.


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In what way is she on her own?


In every way possible.


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How would she know how or where or when if she was on her own?


What the fuk are you blubbering about?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 11:39 am
One of the things I like about A2K is how threads tend to take on a life of their own and drift delightfully off course, but to answer your original question..... it depends on how they're cooked.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 09:50 pm
Doktor S wrote:
rl,
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However, as people learn more of the unborn's medical status, they inevitably become more pro-life.

I find your assumption that everyone thinks like you to be both amusing and revealing.
Also,
Do you really believe you 'know more' of 'the unborns medical status' than every person on the planet in favor of abortion?

lolzers.


You will nowhere find where I have made statements that resemble what you attribute to me.

However, since by your own belief you have no free will, I recognize that you couldn't help making ridiculous, unfounded statements. They are just the product of the chemicals interacting in your brain, nothing more.

Your practice of referring to yourself as 'god' will, no doubt, continue to provide great humor for the rest of us as you continue to make up these things out of the air. But you can't help it. No free will, right?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 2 Jul, 2006 11:42 pm
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
rl,
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However, as people learn more of the unborn's medical status, they inevitably become more pro-life.

I find your assumption that everyone thinks like you to be both amusing and revealing.
Also,
Do you really believe you 'know more' of 'the unborns medical status' than every person on the planet in favor of abortion?

lolzers.


You will nowhere find where I have made statements that resemble what you attribute to me.

However, since by your own belief you have no free will, I recognize that you couldn't help making ridiculous, unfounded statements. They are just the product of the chemicals interacting in your brain, nothing more.

Your practice of referring to yourself as 'god' will, no doubt, continue to provide great humor for the rest of us as you continue to make up these things out of the air. But you can't help it. No free will, right?

Hello, mcfly, is there anyone home in there?
The text I quoted you on is pretty clear. You are saying people inevitably become more pro life with knowledge of the unborns 'medical status'. You are pro-life. By your own logic you know more about the 'medical status' of the unborn than anyone who holds a pro-choice position.
Of course, as you have a particularly illogical mind, I don't really expect you to grasp this.
And yes, I don't believe in freewill, or anything else that requires 'magic' to be explained.
And again, yes, I hold an autotheistic position (you sure love to bring this one up every chance you get don't you?) What of it?
And on the subject of who is laughing at whom...
Well, it's pretty obvious who is the laughing stock between the two of us, my evolution denying young earth creationist friend.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 12:21 pm
Doktor S wrote:
real life wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
rl,
Quote:

However, as people learn more of the unborn's medical status, they inevitably become more pro-life.

I find your assumption that everyone thinks like you to be both amusing and revealing.
Also,
Do you really believe you 'know more' of 'the unborns medical status' than every person on the planet in favor of abortion?

lolzers.


You will nowhere find where I have made statements that resemble what you attribute to me.

However, since by your own belief you have no free will, I recognize that you couldn't help making ridiculous, unfounded statements. They are just the product of the chemicals interacting in your brain, nothing more.

Your practice of referring to yourself as 'god' will, no doubt, continue to provide great humor for the rest of us as you continue to make up these things out of the air. But you can't help it. No free will, right?

Hello, mcfly, is there anyone home in there?
The text I quoted you on is pretty clear. You are saying people inevitably become more pro life with knowledge of the unborns 'medical status'. You are pro-life. By your own logic you know more about the 'medical status' of the unborn than anyone who holds a pro-choice position.
Of course, as you have a particularly illogical mind, I don't really expect you to grasp this.
And yes, I don't believe in freewill, or anything else that requires 'magic' to be explained.
And again, yes, I hold an autotheistic position (you sure love to bring this one up every chance you get don't you?) What of it?
And on the subject of who is laughing at whom...
Well, it's pretty obvious who is the laughing stock between the two of us, my evolution denying young earth creationist friend.



Yes, I do love to use any opportunity to show how your belief that you are 'god' leads you to all kinds of ridiculous conclusions. (But you're a good sport about it. No doubt you're a likable fellow and we'd probably have fun playing golf or catching a ball game.)

Why would freewill require 'magic'? Is it because you have no explanation for the existence of 'consciousness' that can be based solely on chemistry?
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BDV
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 03:57 pm
Frank I know your stance on "Freedom of choice" but is it right to bring laws into a country against the will of the majority ?

Frank Apisa wrote:
BDV wrote:
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?


Ending a pregnancy is a personal decision the pregnant individual should be able to make on her own. If you folks would just keep your noses out of that personal decision...the world would be a lot better place.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 04:22 pm
BDV wrote:
Frank I know your stance on "Freedom of choice" but is it right to bring laws into a country against the will of the majority ?

Frank Apisa wrote:
BDV wrote:
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?


Ending a pregnancy is a personal decision the pregnant individual should be able to make on her own. If you folks would just keep your noses out of that personal decision...the world would be a lot better place.


Was it wrong to bring anti-slavery laws into the American south during the 19th century against the will of the VAST MAJORITY???
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 05:34 pm
How did a VAST MAJORITY lose a war? That's unusual without nukes.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jul, 2006 11:31 pm
BDV wrote:
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?


Legislatures in the overwhelming majority of states had passed laws against abortion. Most of these laws had been in place for a very long time. So in that sense, yes the majority thru their state legislative representatives had outlawed abortion.

Opinion polls regarding abortion show the pro-life position steadily gaining , especially among the young.

If you were born after 1973, then you realize it could have been you exterminated on a whim.

Young people are much more likely to express pro-life opinions and vote pro-life than their elders.

So the clock is ticking on the pro-aborts, and they know they are on the wrong side of history.

Also, as medical science increases our knowledge of the medical status of the unborn, more and more people become more pro-life.

Crisis pregnancy centers report that the percentage of girls following thru with an abortion after seeing their baby on an ultrasound is very small. How can you kill him/her after seeing him/her moving arms and legs around, etc. ?

Pro-abortion folks vehemently oppose any efforts to provide girls with the medical facts regarding the unborn, and the pro-abortion troops are deathly afraid of women actually seeing what it is they are exterminating.

It's obvious why. The pro-abort lies about 'it's just a blob of tissue' come entirely undone when you see the baby on an ultrasound.

The unborn has a heart beating and pumping his/her own blood (not the mother's) thru the tiny body before the end of the 4th week. This is before many women even know they are pregnant.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 02:36 am
spendius wrote:
How did a VAST MAJORITY lose a war? That's unusual without nukes.


You might ask Darius of Persia about that. He had a vast majority...and lost.

But the point is that the American south had a VAST MAJORITY who supposed there should be no laws giving black any rights other than to be slaves.

If you go back and read the comments in context after you sober up...you will understand my point.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 02:37 am
real life wrote:
BDV wrote:
Just a quick point, wasn't abortion legalised in the us against majority decission? its just now that you made so many mothers kill that its become a majority decission. A bit ironic don't u think ?


Legislatures in the overwhelming majority of states had passed laws against abortion. Most of these laws had been in place for a very long time. So in that sense, yes the majority thru their state legislative representatives had outlawed abortion.

Opinion polls regarding abortion show the pro-life position steadily gaining , especially among the young.

If you were born after 1973, then you realize it could have been you exterminated on a whim.

Young people are much more likely to express pro-life opinions and vote pro-life than their elders.

So the clock is ticking on the pro-aborts, and they know they are on the wrong side of history.

Also, as medical science increases our knowledge of the medical status of the unborn, more and more people become more pro-life.

Crisis pregnancy centers report that the percentage of girls following thru with an abortion after seeing their baby on an ultrasound is very small. How can you kill him/her after seeing him/her moving arms and legs around, etc. ?

Pro-abortion folks vehemently oppose any efforts to provide girls with the medical facts regarding the unborn, and the pro-abortion troops are deathly afraid of women actually seeing what it is they are exterminating.

It's obvious why. The pro-abort lies about 'it's just a blob of tissue' come entirely undone when you see the baby on an ultrasound.

The unborn has a heart beating and pumping his/her own blood (not the mother's) thru the tiny body before the end of the 4th week. This is before many women even know they are pregnant.


Sounds like Real Life is on the wrong side of reality!
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 04:46 am
FA wrote-

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But the point is that the American south had a VAST MAJORITY who supposed there should be no laws giving black any rights other than to be slaves.


Dear me. Can you imagine industrialisation whilst the south had slaves? Don't be so bloody silly Frank.

Anyway-it's irrelevant to this discussion.

What's your position on silicone breasts? Do you find them sexy? I suppose you have to seeing as how you don't find surgical interference with feminine nature to be off putting.

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If you go back and read the comments in context after you sober up...you will understand my point.


Fat chance of that. Both ways. You'll never understand my point because you've burned your bridges on the issue.
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BDV
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:13 pm
If a woman wants to abort then let her, but first make her watch a 3d scan of the unborn baby, and be told the known facts of the baby at whatever stage of growth it is at. If she wants to continue let her as you does it on her own conscious and cannot blame society for committing an act that she may later regret.

On the side of the aborted child it should be administered strong pain relief, and if born alive should be given the dignity of a peaceful, painless and comfortable death, if the childs life can be saved then it should be.

The above rules should only be used in countries with a pro-abort stance, countries who are pro-life should remain so. I think the individual states in the US should vote in a referendum like the republic of ireland. One of the reasons the anti-abortion rules work there and in n.ireland is that women who really want abortions can go to the UK for them. This exercise alone has reduced abortion rates by 10% (15%) compared to the Uk (25%) with little or no back street abortions.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:32 pm
Did anyone else read about the Oglala Sioux tribal president trying to establish a Planned Parenthood clinic on the South Dakota's Pine Ridge reservation?

The proposal was rejected and the president was suspended by the tribe but I thought the concept was very interesting.

State laws do not apply on tribal land.

Do federal laws apply on reservations?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:37 pm
spendius wrote:
FA wrote-

Quote:
But the point is that the American south had a VAST MAJORITY who supposed there should be no laws giving black any rights other than to be slaves.


Dear me. Can you imagine industrialisation whilst the south had slaves? Don't be so bloody silly Frank.

Anyway-it's irrelevant to this discussion.

What's your position on silicone breasts?



Don't like 'em at all. And this IS relevant????

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Do you find them sexy?



Not even remotely. I love small breasts on a woman.


Ummm...and what is the relevance???


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I suppose you have to seeing as how you don't find surgical interference with feminine nature to be off putting.


Huh?

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If you go back and read the comments in context after you sober up...you will understand my point.


Fat chance of that.


You mean fat chance you will sober up...or fat chance you will understand anything??


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You'll never understand my point because you've burned your bridges on the issue.


Nope. Haven't burnt any bridges.

And burning bridges are relevant how?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:38 pm
BDV wrote:
If a woman wants to abort then let her, but first make her watch a 3d scan of the unborn baby, and be told the known facts of the baby at whatever stage of growth it is at. If she wants to continue let her as you does it on her own conscious and cannot blame society for committing an act that she may later regret.

On the side of the aborted child it should be administered strong pain relief, and if born alive should be given the dignity of a peaceful, painless and comfortable death, if the childs life can be saved then it should be.

The above rules should only be used in countries with a pro-abort stance, countries who are pro-life should remain so. I think the individual states in the US should vote in a referendum like the republic of ireland. One of the reasons the anti-abortion rules work there and in n.ireland is that women who really want abortions can go to the UK for them. This exercise alone has reduced abortion rates by 10% (15%) compared to the Uk (25%) with little or no back street abortions.


If a woman wants to abort a pregnancy taking place in her own body for any reason she chooses...

...let her.

The rest of you people ought to keep your goddam noses out of that decision.
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