Abortion.What do you think about it?

If males had to bear the children, abortion would be universally and henceforth legal, with no more discussion about it. Do any of the males here disagree with that?

No, I do not support abortion in cases of rape or incest, difficult as that may be. Killing an innocent bystander to a crime is not morally justified.

Yes, self defense i.e. saving one's own life is morally justified.

But abortion is not generally about saving the mother's life, as has been stated. So why you continually want to go back to 'lifeboat' scenarios is odd, unless you just want to avoid discussing abortion as it really is, instead of how you would like it to be.

Do you agree that abortion has little to do with the lifeboat scenarios you propose, nor about non-action but is proactive extermination of the unborn?

And if you don't agree that the unborn is a living human being, can you tell us when it does[/u] become a living human being, and why you would still support abortion after that point?

Do you agree with the figures from the 2 pro-abortion websites that the overwhelming majority of abortions in America are for reasons of convenience, not saving the mother's life, nor in the aftermath of rape or incest?

I must not have made myself clear: I don't care if the fetus/embryo/blastocyst is a living human being or not. Consequently, I have no interest whatsoever in the question of when that fetus/embryo/blastocyst becomes a human being.

joefromchicago wrote:

I must not have made myself clear: I don't care if the fetus/embryo/blastocyst is a living human being or not. Consequently, I have no interest whatsoever in the question of when that fetus/embryo/blastocyst becomes a human being.

Is there ANY circumstance at all in which you think that the killing of a human being is wrong?

snood wrote:

If males had to bear the children, abortion would be universally and henceforth legal, with no more discussion about it. Do any of the males here disagree with that?

Yes, I do.

You see, anything that appears to threaten a male's sense of masculinity is frowned upon and denounced. Take male homosexuality, for instance. It is viewed as a threat to male masculinity, especially by non-religious homophobes. It is denounced and etc. etc.

So, how many of you anti-abortion people support the rhythm method of contraception?

If males had to bear the children, abortion would be universally and henceforth legal, with no more discussion about it. Do any of the males here disagree with that?

Well, Joe, I don't know how many times you want me to answer your 'lifeboat' scenarios.

I've already stated that saving one's own life is valid, but is not particularly relevant to the abortion topic. Abortion to save the life of the mother is a factor in a very small percentage of cases in the US.

But maybe you don't want to discuss what is relevant to the overwhelming majority of abortion situations.

Maybe if you can play around the edges, you won't have to consider whether abortion is the killing of a human being.

Maybe that's what you are trying to avoid thinking about.

real life wrote:

Well, Joe, I don't know how many times you want me to answer your 'lifeboat' scenarios.

I'm finished with the shipwreck hypothetical. I (eventually) got an answer that I deemed satisfactory and I have moved on. I suggest you do the same.

real life wrote:

I've already stated that saving one's own life is valid, but is not particularly relevant to the abortion topic. Abortion to save the life of the mother is a factor in a very small percentage of cases in the US.

But maybe you don't want to discuss what is relevant to the overwhelming majority of abortion situations.

Maybe if you can play around the edges, you won't have to consider whether abortion is the killing of a human being.

Maybe that's what you are trying to avoid thinking about.

For your benefit, I'll repeat the questions that you have failed to answer:

You have stated, for instance, that, in the situation where an abortion is the only means to save a woman's life, you would favor abortion. But why is that? What is it about the woman that merits more consideration than the fetus? Suppose a pregnant woman is seriously ill. A doctor says that the only way to save the woman is to abort her fetus, and another doctor says that the only way to save the fetus is to kill the woman. Both doctors agree that, if nothing is done, both fetus and woman will die. What should be done in this situation?

Shell game. You haven't moved on at all.

This is just more of the same 'lifeboat' scenario i.e. 'why is someone justified in saving their own life?'

Abortion to save the woman's life is rarely a factor in the US. The overwhelming majority of abortions are done for convenience.

Your unwillingness to discuss

a) convenience abortions which are the overwhelming majority of abortions

and

b) the personhood of the unborn

makes it very clear that you are either

a) uninformed regarding these most relevant aspects of the abortion question ,

or

b) unable to grasp their significance,

or

c) are morally unable to come to grips with the barbarism of the pro-abortion position.

real life wrote:

Shell game. You haven't moved on at all.

This is just more of the same 'lifeboat' scenario i.e. 'why is someone justified in saving their own life?'

Abortion to save the woman's life is rarely a factor in the US. The overwhelming majority of abortions are done for convenience.

Your unwillingness to discuss

a) convenience abortions which are the overwhelming majority of abortions

and

b) the personhood of the unborn

makes it very clear that you are either

a) uninformed regarding these most relevant aspects of the abortion question ,

or

b) unable to grasp their significance,

or

c) are morally unable to come to grips with the barbarism of the pro-abortion position.

It would have taken much less time and effort if you had simply said that you didn't want to answer the question.

child
Pronunciation: 'chI(&)ld
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural chil·dren /'chil-dr&n, -d&rn/
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jathara belly
1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
2 a : a young person especially between infancy and youth b : a childlike or childish person c : a person not yet of age
3 usually childe /'chI(&)ld/ archaic : a youth of noble birth
4 a : a son or daughter of human parents b : DESCENDANT
5 : one strongly influenced by another or by a place or state of affairs
6 : PRODUCT, RESULT <barbed wire... is truly a child of the plains -- W. P. Webb>
- child·less /'chI(&)l(d)-l&s/ adjective
- child·less·ness noun
- with child : PREGNANT

em·bryo
Pronunciation: 'em-brE-"O
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural em·bry·os
Etymology: Medieval Latin embryon-, embryo, from Greek embryon, from en- + bryein to swell; akin to Greek bryon catkin
1 a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception

fetus
One entry found for fetus.
Main Entry: fe·tus
Pronunciation: 'fE-t&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, act of bearing young, offspring; akin to Latin fetus newly delivered, fruitful -- more at FEMININE
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually three months after conception to birth

Real Life, if you had your way, what would happen? would Roe V. Wade be overturned? What is your deal, man?