Are people really victim when it comes to beign raped?

That was pretty mean.

Guess difference of opinion calls for being labeled a retard.

Sorry, but it drives me f*cking insane. If I had a scenario where a guy was walking in harlem with fifty dollar bills hanging out his pockets, and somebody mugged him, I guarantee you would call it stealing, but I also GUARANTEE you would say that some of the fault is his.

It's the word "rape". It turns people into unthinking retards.

'sall I'm sayin'.

I don't place blame on anyone who a crime has been committed on. Stupidity doesn't equal blame. Is a girl stupid for doing stuff that might lead to a rape? Sure. But she doesn't ask for it, isn't partially responsible for it or deserve it. She is plain ol' naive.

Same with the guy who gets mugged with money hanging out of his pockets. Was he being stupid? Sure. Was he naive in thinking that nothing would happen? Sure. But do I blame him because other people suck? Nope.

Guess our definitions of blame differ somewhat.

In an effort not to further offend you, I will not actually post my one-word response. But it rhymes with "wooltit."

To make you feel better about yourself, I will edit my response to say I try not to pass blame on those who have been victimized because I don't feel it's right.

Some of us have a conscience.

Let me ask you Kicky.

Have you been raped?

Oh here we go with the appeal to authority bullshit.

No. Well, not unless you count the rape of my soul by corporate America...

Appeal to authority?

Well, I suppose you could call it that.

I'm done with you.

Bella, you're being fixated by the wrong point....again, and I was hoping I wasn't going to have to repeat myself every single post or else someone was going to think I was "pro-rape" or something....but no one is arguing your point that rape is wrong, it is bad, you are either raped, or not raped.

Let me say it one more time in such a way that it won't have to be belabored YET again....

RAPE IS WRONG. RAPE IS BAD. NO ONE DESERVES TO GET RAPED. YOU ARE EITHER RAPED, OR NOT RAPED, THERE IS NO GRAY AREA!

ok then....what I (and I think kicky ) are bringing up is the responsibility of not only the man (assuming he's the rapist) but also the woman.

No, I would not give a crack head a diamond necklace. I would not let a baby play with a stick of dynamite. I would not dance naked in front of a man not knowing this is giving him the signals I'm willing to have sex with him.

If, for some reason I did change my mind, I'd have a damn good reason. If I got attacked and raped walking down the street, I'd be totally innocent. If I got raped after dancing naked in front of a guy, I'd still have been raped (see above disclaimer) but I would also realize that I had done something I shouldn't have that set the wheel in motion.

To substitue the word rape with getting beaten, you can say the same thing...you are either beaten or your are not beaten...there is no gray area.

However, if a person, male or female makes a choice to go somewhere and do something that will get them beaten with almost 99.9% of the time, then yes, I would say that the person beaten has some blame in getting beaten.

Please don't bring up the no one deserves to get raped thing again. Someone doesn't deserve to get beaten either, that's why you avoid situations where it can happen.

AND.....I'm not talking about the vicious pychopathic date rape either, the guy who knew what he was going to do hours before.

This is the exact sort of retardedness that I was talking about. You're done with me? Good. Enjoy your delusion.

Oh, and yes, I think stupidity can = blame, if the stupid person has been given the opportunity for enlightenment and doesn''t accept the light.

If the man with 50's sticking out of his pocket was told by someone, don't walk through Harlem like that or you'll get robbed, that is what I would suppose the PC people would call "education", if he gets robbed, his fault, he was "educated" it could happen.

If a girl is informed by mother/father/other famility/school/friends/society that men get erections and will want to have sex with you if you dance in front of them naked (or variations thereof of course) then when she finds herself nekkid doing the boogaloo in front of a guy with a stiffie that little fact should come to mind.

Like I said before, it's all getting the ball rolling. She may have only blown on the boulder, but soon it becomes a landslide.

Frankly, I think a female who willfully, chronically and cruelly does this to men on a regular basis just to get some kind of rush (and we all know they are out there) are just as evil as a rapist themselves. She too is hurting someone by using her power over them.

They may beg, plead with her, and she uses her sexuality to hurt them. Some totally nice guy, good person...won't rape her but instead is treated so cruely....that's evil too. Don't you think that can hurt their mind just as much?

OK, tell when and or if any of this is rape and why:

A couple engage in penis in vagina consensual sex. The woman has already had a few orgasms and all is apparently going well. The man is nearing orgasm when:

a) the woman gets the guilts because it is an "extra-relationship" affair.

b) the woman becomes fearful of getting caught because they are in a park.

c) the woman becomes fearful of getting caught because they are having sex at her SO's home.

d) the woman has a negative sexual memory from of a prior rape (this actually happened to me with a female partner who was raped*).

In all of the above cases, despite the overt protestations of the woman at this point, the man continues and within one minute ejaculates inside her vagina.

PS: In my case with the girl I slept with (who was a rape victim) we were about ¾ of the way though penis in vagina missionary position consensual sex when she started saying how the rape memories were preoccupying her. We stopped and in a gentlemanly fashion I popped her on top cowgirl style, which alleviated her concerns about force and lack of control.

No means no.




I don't happen to be 'retarded'.

Vega, there's no such thing as benign rape.

By your definition then a) through d) are rape and the man must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, just like any other criminal act?

What about if the man is being masturbated by the woman, and he is tied down, reluctantly but not forcibly, then sometime before he ejaculates he says no, as his circumstances are similar to a) through d). Yet the woman does not stop and holds the man down and continues until he ejaculates. Should she be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, just like any other criminal act?


What about if a) though d) are still relevant as per the example above, and the woman has completed masturbating the man, yet despite his continued protests, she rubs her vulva against his semi erect penis until she reaches orgasm. Should she be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, just like any other criminal act?Do you mean on the celestial body or in the car?

Germaine Greer very famously said that all men were rapists and then proved it. My local newspaper once had a front page headline reading "ROMANCE IS RAPE".

I'm celibate. I don't know about these things.

I guess not-very-Germane never heard of reverse cowgirl. Let alone the number of times I have been pestered for sex just because I play music.

Chumly, wouldn't those situations depend on the time prior to ejaculation and if there is enough time to stop?

I don't believe it's a "gray" area, if gray were to mean neither right nor wrong. Rape is wrong, plain and simple. What needs to be done now is defining what can and cannot be considered rape, as Chumly have brought up.

No, we're still on whether or not there is ever a time when the raped person holds any of the blame/onus/responsibility for getting raped.

I still say yes, at times the raped person does.

In chumleys examples, the point of ejaculation doesn't indicate the rape, if the man was being used sexually by someone in a position of power, then yes, he is being raped.

Orgasm has nothing to do with it.

wool spit?
full kit?
pull it?

(can i have a hint please)