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Wed 3 May, 2006 05:12 pm
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Quote:ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- Al Qaeda terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui should spend the rest of his life in prison for his role in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, a federal jury decided Wednesday.
The nine men and three women returned their verdict on the seventh day of deliberations after reliving the September 11 attacks through weeks of harrowing testimony and evidence.
Jurors were stone-faced as the lengthy verdict form was read in court. Spectators, including some 9/11 family members, fell silent and Moussaoui showed no immediate reaction.
"America, you lost," Moussaoui stated, clapping his hands as he left the courtroom. "I won."
To be honest with you Debra, I don't see this man surviving long in prison at all.
To be honest, I couldn't see a way in which America could win against a delusional man like that.
If you kill him, the terrorists will call him a martyr that died for his cause and rally people to their insane cause. And in this case, if you don't kill him, he gets the delusional concept that somehow he won.
I've come across people as delusional as that, although thankfully only in debates. They're infuriating.
He can think he won, that's no skin off anyone's nose. But, making him into a martyr could have been dangerous.
since either way we lose.... let's execute him. Save some taxpayer money.
I was pretty sure he was guilty. Haven't supported the death penalty for about four or five years, so, I feel that justice is being served.
BVT - It's supposed to cost more to follow through on an execution than on a life sentence, on average. I'd still like to see actual stats on that.
littlek wrote:BVT - It's supposed to cost more to follow through on an execution than on a life sentence, on average. I'd still like to see actual stats on that.
a bullet costs seven cents or something right?
blueveinedthrobber wrote:a bullet costs seven cents or something right?
Yes, but you also need to factor in paying the multiple people that will be firing, since it's not a one man job. And the blanks, guns, the small stuff like the hood or blindfold, keeping him on death row for who knows how long . . . it all adds up. I would think it would still be cheaper than letting this person (I use the term loosely) live, though. I would like to see some numbers for that, too.
Death row inmates tend to have more money spent on lawyers too. I looked around the net and found no good studies and no good data by independent researchers. There's lots of opinion both ways, though.
If this guy didn't get the death penalty what is the point of even having a federal death penalty?
All terrorists that blow themselves up are martyr. Alive he'll be giving interviews and riling up the troops from prison. Alive he will be more than a martyr... he will become an icon of what they accomplished against the US and got away with. Anyone who thinks that life in jail is a worse punishment than death is seriously delusional.
ps... The death penalty cost more due to the lengthy appeal process... not the actual cost of executing someone.
This is the worst thing that could happen to him.
By refusing to execute him (in spite of his best efforts) we are sending him a clear message that we don't even consider him a real terrorist. He is going to live the rest of his life as a "terrorist-wannabee".
Execution would have given him the easy way out and even let him die with an illusion of glory. 50 years in ultramax prison will cure him of this.
I am usually against the death penalty on principle, but in this case to not execute him could be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
blueveinedthrobber wrote:since either way we lose.... let's execute him. Save some taxpayer money.
A better idea wud be to
execute a DEATH WARRANT upon him,
by killing him. After we 've killed him, then we can execute
what is left of him i.e., we can carry it out of the prison.
If we execute the prisoner while he remains alive
( like a barroon bouncer )
he 'll get away and resume his anti-American activities.
David
I believe that he was in jail ( or prison ? ) on and before 9/11.
He was accused of failing to inform his captors
of the plot. Assuming that he knew of it ( I think he admitted that ),
I don 't believe that we can rationally require anyone
to take the initiative to do this, and then convict him of doing nothing.
If we can prove that he was actively complicit
BY HIS AFFIRMATIVE CONDUCT, that wud legitimize the conviction.
If he were merely in a jail, silently minding his own business,
without his having been previously INVOLVED in the plot,
then I do not see how he can be legitimately convicted of doing nothing.
In other words,
it seems to me that if someone merely gets wind of an impending felony
and silently goes on with his life, minding his own business, he cannot,
in a free country be criminally nor civilly prosecuted for doing nothing.
If he were prosecuted,
he 'd be within his rights to say : " screw u; I 'm not your slave.
I 'm not your friend either. I have a right to quietly mind my own business. "
Obviously, the court does not agree with me.
David
OmSigDAVID wrote:blueveinedthrobber wrote:since either way we lose.... let's execute him. Save some taxpayer money.
A better idea wud be to
execute a DEATH WARRANT upon him,
by killing him. After we 've killed him, then we can execute
what is left of him i.e., we can carry it out of the prison.
If we execute the prisoner while he remains alive
( like a barroon bouncer )
he 'll get away and resume his anti-American activities.
David
How do you execute what's already dead? You make no sense whatsoever.
edgarblythe wrote:I was pretty sure he was guilty. Haven't supported the death penalty for about four or five years, so, I feel that justice is being served.
Bin Laden: Moussaoui not linked to 9/11
Full transcript of the last Bin Laden tape:
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A Testimony to the Truth
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, and prayers and peace upon the Prophets and Messengers.
As for what follows:
From Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin to the American people: peace be upon he who has followed the Guidance.
This is a brief message whose topic is my testimony on behalf of the Muslim prisoners you are holding, and in it I will talk about the truth concerning them, which is something which the Bush administration hates and is hostile to.
I begin by talking about the honorable brother Zacarias Moussaoui. The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers - Allah have mercy upon them - with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be with them on that mission. And his confession that he was assigned to participate in those raids is a false confession which no intelligent person doubts is a result of the pressure put upon him for the past four and a half years. And were this pressure lifted from him for him to return to his normal state, he would state the fact I mentioned. And among the things that confirm this fact is that the participants in September 11th were two groups: pilots and support teams for each pilot in order to control the aircraft. And since Zacarias Moussaoui was learning how to fly, it follows that he wasn't component #20 from the teams which helped to control the airplanes, as your government previously claimed, and your government knows this fact with certainty. And if Moussaoui was studying aviation to become a pilot of one of the planes, then let him tell us the names of those assigned to help him control the plane. But he won't be able to tell us their names, for a simple reason: that in fact they don't exist. This is from one perspective, and from another perspective, the brother Moussaoui was arrested two weeks before the events, and had he known anything - however little - about the September 11th group, we would have told the brother Commander Mohamed Atta and his brothers - Allah have mercy upon them - to leave America immediately before their affair was exposed. And with this it becomes clear to even the novice investigator - not to mention the seasoned one - that there is no connection between him and the events of September 11th.
And then I call to memory my brothers the prisoners in Guantanamo - may Allah free them all - and I state the fact, about which I also am certain, that all the prisoners of Guantanamo, who were captured in 2001 and the first half of 2002 and who number in the hundreds, have no connection whatsoever to the events of September 11th, and even stranger is that many of them have no connection with al-Qaida in the first place, and even more amazing is that some of them oppose al-Qaida's methodology of calling for war with America. And this is in addition to the arrest of those who were working in the relief agencies, like Abu Abdul Aziz al-Mutrafi, or those working in the media, like Sami al-Hajj and Taysir Alouni, who was imprisoned at the instigation of the American administration. So the conclusion is that all the prisoners to date have no connection with the events of September 11th and knew nothing about them, with the exception of two of the brothers, may Allah free them all. Bush and his administration are aware of this fact, but they avoid mentioning it, for reasons not hidden to the discerning. Among these reasons is that it is necessary to create justifications for the massive spending of hundreds of billions on the Defense Department and other agencies in their war against the Mujahideen. My mentioning of these facts isn't out of hope that Bush and his party will treat our brothers fairly in their cases, because that is something no rational person expects, but rather it is meant to expose the oppression, injustice and arbitrariness of your administration in using force and the reactions that result from that. This is from one perspective, and from another perspective, perhaps there will one day come from the Americans someone who desires justice and fairness, and that is the path to security and safety, if you are interested in it. This is what needed to be said. And may peace be upon he who has followed the Guidance.
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And bin Laden is a reputable (e. g. with a reputation for truth) speaker because of what, exactly?
jespah wrote:And bin Laden is a reputable (e. g. with a reputation for truth) speaker because of what, exactly?
Because Bin Laden was responsible for choosing the 19 participants in 9/11, and he did not assign Zacarias Moussaoui to be with them on that mission.
Bin Laden openly praises the 19 executers of 9/11. If Zacarias Moussaoui was part of the plan, Bin Laden would have openly praised him as well.
Zacarias Moussaoui has nothing to do with 9/11. He has to be immediately released.
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