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Americans "more ill than English"

 
 
Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 08:38 am
Well, well, well, it would seem that a recently performed study shows that white middle-aged Americans are less healthy than their English counterparts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4965034.stm

What is puzzling is that bad health lifestyles alone cannot explain the differences, nor can the difference in the healthcare systems. So what is the missing factor that's causing this?

It can't be genetics, because they're similar groups.

What else could it be? I wonder... This is interesting, don't you think?
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tin sword arthur
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 08:44 am
Wow. Puzzling. What makes my fellow Americans so sickly?
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 08:46 am
Stress
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 08:58 am
littlek wrote:
Stress


You think? But the English workplace is not that different from the American one...
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tin sword arthur
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 09:08 am
In fact, if Janet Evanovich is right, it is no different.
Yes, I read her.
Stress is a contributing factor, I'm sure, but not a major one, as wolf pointed out.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 09:10 am
I believe it is because all of us English lose our teeth by the age of eleven, and therefore have to spend more time over our food, as most of it has to be sucked thoroughly before swallowing.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 11:24 am
1. Portion-size. Example: compare an English packet of crisps and an American pack of chips and that's only one example. American portions are huge compared to English/European size.

2. Diet/Low-Cal Foods. American stores stock up on lots of so-called diet and low calorie foods which are completely fake. They substitute one sugar for another bad ingredient. Although other countries do the fake/diet stuff too, not to the extent of the U.S. We have ourselves fooled over here thinking we are eating good when we really are not, swallowing trans fats and enriched flour etc. I would much prefer to eat a couple of squares of Cadburys chocolate and be satisfied with the rich sugary taste, than delve into a large bar of (tasteless in my opinion) American chocolate and still not be satisfied at the end of it. They say they are making the food healthier by taking out the "bad" stuff but what they are really doing is taking the taste away. BTW Diet Coke is as unhealthy for you as Regular Coke.

3. Snacking. Americans appear to eat all the time. When I lived in Ireland we had set meal times, at least our family did and I never got the opportunity to snack at work (much). Now that I live in America the culture is completely different. People stock up on snacks and food in their bags and munch on the train, walking down the street, on their way to lunch, on the way home before dinner, and the habit of everyone carrying a coffee (giant-sized) at all times of the day amazes me. I am going to go out and count the number of people I see with food/drink in their hands as they are walking along.

4. Social gatherings. Much socialising in England happens in a pub. Generally bar-food may come into play but not to extent that it does in an American pub-gathering. For the intents of not becoming ill Americans will eat a meal at the pub to soak up the booze. I've never gone to a gathering here in the U.S. where a lot of food (appetisers etc.) didn't play a part. When I went to the pub in Ireland I, of course, smoked in the pub and didn't eat. Of course that can go the other way in that I drank far more living in Ireland than I do in America.

5. Driving. Everyone (practically) in America drives to the grocery/local stores. When I lived in Ireland I walked a LOT more than I do here. I never realized it until I got here and became so lazy that I would drive to the local store (a mile away) to pick up milk and drive back. I used to walk everywhere when I lived in Ireland or jump on the bus and walk a good distance still.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 11:35 am
Heeven as you were posting that, I was posting THIS.....

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2016670&highlight=#2016670

Your point 3 is very relevant.
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southerngentleman
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 01:45 pm
Heeven wrote:
1. Portion-size. Example: compare an English packet of crisps and an American pack of chips and that's only one example. American portions are huge compared to English/European size.

2. Diet/Low-Cal Foods. American stores stock up on lots of so-called diet and low calorie foods which are completely fake. They substitute one sugar for another bad ingredient. Although other countries do the fake/diet stuff too, not to the extent of the U.S. We have ourselves fooled over here thinking we are eating good when we really are not, swallowing trans fats and enriched flour etc. I would much prefer to eat a couple of squares of Cadburys chocolate and be satisfied with the rich sugary taste, than delve into a large bar of (tasteless in my opinion) American chocolate and still not be satisfied at the end of it. They say they are making the food healthier by taking out the "bad" stuff but what they are really doing is taking the taste away. BTW Diet Coke is as unhealthy for you as Regular Coke.

3. Snacking. Americans appear to eat all the time. When I lived in Ireland we had set meal times, at least our family did and I never got the opportunity to snack at work (much). Now that I live in America the culture is completely different. People stock up on snacks and food in their bags and munch on the train, walking down the street, on their way to lunch, on the way home before dinner, and the habit of everyone carrying a coffee (giant-sized) at all times of the day amazes me. I am going to go out and count the number of people I see with food/drink in their hands as they are walking along.

4. Social gatherings. Much socialising in England happens in a pub. Generally bar-food may come into play but not to extent that it does in an American pub-gathering. For the intents of not becoming ill Americans will eat a meal at the pub to soak up the booze. I've never gone to a gathering here in the U.S. where a lot of food (appetisers etc.) didn't play a part. When I went to the pub in Ireland I, of course, smoked in the pub and didn't eat. Of course that can go the other way in that I drank far more living in Ireland than I do in America.

5. Driving. Everyone (practically) in America drives to the grocery/local stores. When I lived in Ireland I walked a LOT more than I do here. I never realized it until I got here and became so lazy that I would drive to the local store (a mile away) to pick up milk and drive back. I used to walk everywhere when I lived in Ireland or jump on the bus and walk a good distance still.


Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Not so much (but I'm a car nut).

America really needs to learn how to eat in moderation- that's the first step to helping to get things back under control. After that I think it will be important to re-emphasis healthy life-style choices and nutrition.
As you said- have the soda (diet or otherwise) and have the piece of chocolate/chips. It's not going to hurt you as long as you keep the portion sizes at a moderate level and continue to workout/exercise/move around some more.

There's very little that you can eat (aside from blatantly poisonous things and deep fried twinkies :wink: ) that can hurt you as long as you're an ACTIVE individual making SMART choices about your life-style.

The driving thing- well...mass transportation is often too unreliable, unpleasant and impratical here in America. Now- that said, I still like my four wheels. If only we could come up with a way to reduce traffic while allowing everyone to drive what they want ....
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 04:43 pm
Heeven wrote:
4. Social gatherings. Much socialising in England happens in a pub. Generally bar-food may come into play but not to extent that it does in an American pub-gathering. For the intents of not becoming ill Americans will eat a meal at the pub to soak up the booze. I've never gone to a gathering here in the U.S. where a lot of food (appetisers etc.) didn't play a part. When I went to the pub in Ireland I, of course, smoked in the pub and didn't eat. Of course that can go the other way in that I drank far more living in Ireland than I do in America.


Surely, though, that works in reverse too. The Brits, who consume less are more likely to get drunk and perhaps alcohol poisoning, so it should balance out.
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southerngentleman
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 03:52 pm
I don't know about alcohol poisoning being any more prevalent for Brits than Americans. Cirrosis of the liver (sp?)...that might be higher in the UK than the US.

I think the main gist of Heevan's posting was getting at the eating/portion habits of Americans being excessive in comparison. Diet and exercise...lifestyle choices that's what its all about.
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EmilU
 
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Reply Thu 18 May, 2006 12:08 pm
In a recent study posted by the Worldwide Health Organization, our health depends mainly of 3 major factors: medical services (15%), genetic material (15%) and lifestyle and alimentation (70%). While you can't see much difference between the first two factors, the third is clearly decisive. The lack of vitamins is also a problem, in a fast world where we tend to eat less vitamins and more artificial stuff. The risk-groups concerning this vitamin lack are children and teenagers in the growing stage, women that take oral contraceptives, pregnant women, elder people and smokers.
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 18 May, 2006 01:25 pm
I agree. We are a society that has (mostly) vastly reduced the eating of real, fresh food. The amount of processed, chemically altered, preservative filled foodstuffs are frightening.

Of course lots of people do eat fresh fruit, they cook a meal from scratch using fresh vegetables and other ingredients and try to 'eat healthy' but the breads, milks, cheeses, and other grocerystore bought foodstuffs are chock full of preservatives to make them last unnaturally longer and profit the grocery chains. It can't be a good thing when our bodies are unable to process all that trans-fatty stuff and other nasty stuff that we are unaware of in the foods we buy.

If we were to eat properly and stop or cut down on the processed stuff, we WOULD be getting all the vitamins we need. As it is, we don't.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Thu 18 May, 2006 02:29 pm
Kids are fat because nobody's allowed to make fun of them anymore. Kids should be able to point at other kids and say things like "hey fatty, put the twinkie down you fatty fat bastard." Then everyone would laugh at the fat kid, who would go home and burn off some calories crying.

Ok, I have nothing real to add to this topic. I think Heeven brings up good points. Over-processed and "diet" foods aren't necessarily healthy. Eating a small amount of antioxidant-loaded chocolate for a snack is probably better than eating a bunch of "low-fat" chips or crackers.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 07:19 am
It looks like we might be getting a bit healthier in the future, as well.....

....... http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74818
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southerngentleman
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:49 pm
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:
Kids are fat because nobody's allowed to make fun of them anymore. Kids should be able to point at other kids and say things like "hey fatty, put the twinkie down you fatty fat bastard." Then everyone would laugh at the fat kid, who would go home and burn off some calories crying.

Ok, I have nothing real to add to this topic. I think Heeven brings up good points. Over-processed and "diet" foods aren't necessarily healthy. Eating a small amount of antioxidant-loaded chocolate for a snack is probably better than eating a bunch of "low-fat" chips or crackers.


Definately agree with you second point there, Slappy. I remember when the Snackwells brans foods came out- so many housewives thinking they could "finally" induldge in all sorts of sweets and whatnot. Kids too. What happens? They eat the whole darn box!

I don't know about making fun of fat kids per se, but I think its certainly a good thing to motivate them in some sort of positive/constructive manner (perhaps we've been too soft?) to take control of their nutrition. Sometimes its as simple as asking "Mommy" not to make desserts anymore...
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