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How to take back America in 12 Steps

 
 
Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 04:50 pm
How to take back America in 12 Steps

1. Drop Bush&Co. (full scale impeachment/creative coup d'etat of the entire Bush Administration) Where has your famous creativity gone??? Just an idea: Hire Blackwater!!!
2. Drop Clinton&Co.
3. Drop the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, and all other criminal networks like Pelicano
4. Drop all U.S. ambassadors worldwide
5. Drop all government and private owned weapon manufacturers
6. Support the new, purified and reorganized U.N. as executive police force
7. Install a sustainable energy policy like Sweden
8. Install a sustainable economic policy
9. Install a sustainable immigration policy like Switzerland
10. Install a sustainable and friendly foreign policy "take and give"
11. Sign the International Criminal Court of Justice
12. Install a Political System similar to Switzerland and motivate your future federal council with draconian penalties to serve the nation:

The Swiss Government consists of the seven members of the Federal Council who are elected by the United Federal Assembly for a four-year mandate.

Switzerland is a joint rule by compromise, direct democracy system with an Executive Federal Council and Legislative, the parliament. watch here: http://www.admin.ch/ch/index.en.html

Finally, please dont forget, its all a big illusion/game... have fun... stand up... you are a real hero... death is just another illusion... you are an invincible warrior for Love, Wisdom and Truth... you are an eternal being without beginning and end...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 05:50 pm
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Solve et Coagula
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 05:52 pm
Switzerland and the United States of America - Sister Republ
Switzerland and the United States of America - Sister Republics

Known as the "Sister Republics," Switzerland and the United States have a long history of shared democratic values. Both nations place a great emphasis on sovereignty, individual rights, cultural diversity and an open and free economy. And both nations are built on a similar system of federalism: The U.S. Articles of Confederation were modeled after the old Swiss alliance of thirteen sovereign states, whereas the Swiss were inspired by the American Constitution when they formed the world's second federal state in 1848.

Continue to read:
http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/home/usch.html
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 06:39 pm
Not meaning to sound nasty,but I have a question...

Since you dont live in the US,why does it matter so much to you?
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sat 29 Apr, 2006 09:06 pm
The Swiss have little in common with the US. The way they treat guns shows a huge difference in their behaviour.
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Switzerland and the gun.
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Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.
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The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.
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Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries, but has remained relatively isolated.
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It has none of the social problems associated with gun crime seen in other industrialised countries like drugs or urban deprivation.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1566715.stm
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 11:52 am
I feel uncomfortable saying this.

But I am with mysterman on this one.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 12:05 pm
Since you refer to a coup d'etat, I don't suppose the consent of the governed enters into this for you. However, if you ever want to take into account the will of the people, you might suggest trying to get more candidates with similar views in power in the next election.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 12:09 pm
ebrown:

But I am with mysterman on this one.
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The twelve points are just musings, I think. Since we chat about other countries all the time, why not chat about the US. It is not 'verboten', yet.
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I find the Swiss interesting and well organized. It does not hurt to check them out.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 12:26 pm
detano inipo wrote:
ebrown:

But I am with mysterman on this one.
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The twelve points are just musings, I think. Since we chat about other countries all the time, why not chat about the US. It is not 'verboten', yet.
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I find the Swiss interesting and well organized. It does not hurt to check them out.


They are silly and anti-American. And I speak as an American Liberal who disagrees with the right (I think I can safely call mysteryman right without offending him) on most issues. On these points (with the exception of #11) I will agree with him. If you can unite a leftist and a righty on an issue... it is simply a unAmerican idea (and probably a bad one).

I wouldn't mind us doint #11 (although I think it is politically unfeasable). Mysterman and I certainly agree with #2. The rest are dumb or dangerous or both (tell me if you don't agree MM).
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Solve et Coagula
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 12:34 pm
Updated version: How to take back America in 12 Steps
Updated version: How to take back America in 12 Steps

1. Drop Bush&Co. (full scale impeachment/creative coup d'etat of the entire Bush Administration) Where has your famous creativity gone??? Just an idea: Hire Blackwater!!!
2. Drop Clinton&Co. and use your alleged "charity funds" to rebuild the U.S. instead of using it for CIA "spreading democracy"-operations and senseless imperialistic aims.
3. Nationalize the Federal Reserve; Put the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) under strict control of the U.N. Supreme Council for federal banking; Drop the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, and all other criminal networks like Pelicano
4. Drop all U.S. ambassadors worldwide
5. Drop all government and private owned weapon manufacturers
6. Support the new, purified and reorganized U.N. as executive police force
7. Install a sustainable energy policy like Sweden
8. Install a sustainable economic policy
9. Install a sustainable immigration policy like Switzerland
10. Install a sustainable and friendly foreign policy "take and give"
11. Sign the International Criminal Court of Justice
12. Install a Political System similar to Switzerland and motivate your future federal council with draconian penalties to serve the nation:

The Swiss Government consists of the seven members of the Federal Council who are elected by the United Federal Assembly for a four-year mandate.

Switzerland is a joint rule by compromise, direct democracy system with an Executive Federal Council and Legislative, the parliament. watch here: http://www.admin.ch/ch/index.en.html

Finally, please dont forget, its all a big illusion/game... have fun... stand up... you are a real hero... death is just another illusion... you are an invincible warrior for Love, Wisdom and Truth... you are an eternal being without beginning and end...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 03:35 pm
mm said, politely:
Since you dont live in the US, why does it matter so much to you?
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He did not say anything at all about the twelve points. So you, ebrown, agree with his question?
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The whole thing sounds more like a joke. I can't get upset about it. The Swiss run a tight ship and the US in bad shape right now; so the teasing starts.
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We made fun of the French and their 10 000 burning cars not long ago.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 04:36 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I wouldn't mind us doint #11 (although I think it is politically unfeasable). Mysterman and I certainly agree with #2. The rest are dumb or dangerous or both (tell me if you don't agree MM).

#7 sounds like a sound idea too, to me. And #8 and #10 are unobjectionable as well, IMO - altho of course vague to the point of meaningless.

As for Mystery's actual question - why would it matter to the author, since he doesnt live in the US - well, er, duh - America being the most powerful country in the world and all, and any and all political development of the US affecting us out here as well, some way or other - why in heaven's name would he not care? I do..

(Mind you, other SeC threads in mind, this is probably just a copy/paste from somewhere else on the net, some other forum or some such.)
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 08:46 pm
It has to be a joke. Why would anyone want to emulate Sweden? They have 9 million people and 20% unemployment. They're a high-tax welfare state that maybe once had an enviable economy (sitting out WWII probably helped), but it's fast going into the toilet unless they do some quick and major reforming.

If anything, Sweden should only be looked at for what not to do.

Yeah. It's definitely a joke...twisted as it is.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 09:08 pm
SierraSong wrote:
It has to be a joke. Why would anyone want to emulate Sweden? They have 9 million people and 20% unemployment.

What on earth are you on (about) Question

Unemployment in Sweden was 5,6% in 2004. It hovered between 4-6% from 1999-2005, see graph below. Following the introduction of new, EU-harmonized calculation criteria in April 2005, the number was recalculated as 7,1% in June that year.

http://www.scb.se/Statistik/AM/AM0401/2005M03/AM0401_2005M03_DI_04_EN_arblProcsäso.gif

SierraSong wrote:
They're a high-tax welfare state that maybe once had an enviable economy (sitting out WWII probably helped), but it's fast going into the toilet unless they do some quick and major reforming.

If anything, Sweden should only be looked at for what not to do.

Again, what planet are you on Question

I recommend reading what your own, US Dept of State notes about the Swedish economy:

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The Swedish economic picture has brightened significantly since the severe recession in the early 1990s. Growth has been strong in recent years, with an annual average GDP growth rate of 2.5% for the period 2000-2004, and the inflation rate is low, with an annual average inflation rate of 1.9% for the same period. Since the mid-1990s the export sector has been booming, acting as the main engine for economic growth. Swedish exports also have proven to be surprisingly robust. A marked shift in the structure of the exports, where services, the IT industry, and telecommunications have taken over from traditional industries such as steel, paper, and pulp, has made the Swedish export sector less vulnerable to international fluctuations.

During 2004 real GDP rose by 3% and is projected to expand by 2.7% in 2005.

The government budget improved dramatically from a record deficit of more than 12% of GDP in 1993 to an expected surplus of 8% of GDP in 2001. The new, strict budget process with spending ceilings set by parliament, and a constitutional change to an independent Central Bank, have greatly improved policy credibility. This can be seen in the long-term interest rate margin versus the Euro, which is negligible. From the perspective of longer term fiscal sustainability, the long-awaited reform of old-age pensions entered into force in 1999. This entails a far more robust system vis-à-vis adverse demographic and economic trends, which should keep the ratio of total pension disbursements to the aggregate wage bill close to 20% in the decades ahead. Taken together, both fiscal consolidation and pension reform have brought public finances back on a sustainable footing. Gross public debt, which jumped from 43% of GDP in 1990 to 78% in 1994, stabilized around the middle of the 1990s and has been decreasing in recent years. In 2004 public debt was about 47.7% of GDP. These figures show excellent improvement of the Swedish economy since the crisis of the early 1990s.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 09:12 pm
What are you on, Sierra? You're the first person to even mention Sweden. Or are you one of those people who regularly get Sweden and Switzerland confused? Along with Austria and Australia?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 09:20 pm
He was "responding" to #7, Merry
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 10:19 pm
nimh wrote:
[Again, what planet are you on Question


Planet Earth, great state of Texas...Smile

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Sweden's Hidden Jobless

Labor Economist Asserts
Unemployment Near 20%
By TERENCE ROTH
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
May 27, 2005

STOCKHOLM -- Jan Edling, a little-known labor-union economist, is suddenly in the policy spotlight with his assertion that Sweden's real jobless rate is really closer to 20% than the official 5.5% rate.

He resigned last week from the big LO blue-collar union where he worked after the association declined to publish his research project into Sweden's hidden joblessness. Instead, he posted it online.

"My suspicion is that we are putting people into other benefit categories that other countries would put into the unemployment column," Mr. Edling said.

That Sweden has far more people out of work than detailed in the official 5.5% unemployment rate isn't totally new. Beyond the official rate, an additional 4.4% of the working-age population are parked in the government's elaborate array of job-creation and training programs, according to a study by Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken AB with data from Statistics Sweden.

But Mr. Edling calculates that another 10% of working-age people can be identified as unemployed, using correlations between unemployment, long-term sickness and early retirement among Sweden's municipalities and regions. This makes the actual unemployment rate closer to 20% of the work force, he said.

The paper kicked up a storm in left-wing politics, making him an overnight celebrity among Sweden's lonely free-market advocates. The LO union called for a quick debate on the issue Wednesday, featured prominently on national television. Another of its economists wrote a quick refutation of Mr. Edling's theory and methodology. It denied that the report was suppressed. It said Mr. Edling's paper needed more evidence to show that large ranks of Swedes on sick leave and in early retirement are unemployed by another name.

The tempest Mr. Edling has caused will likely subside before his theory can be conclusively proven or dismissed. But it has made unemployment a big issue in time for the 2006 elections. It is the social-democratic government's hot-button policy issue, with the jobless rate steadily rising in recent years.

Finance Minister Paer Nuder said Wednesday that Sweden's unemployment data are collected according to international standards. But, without discussing the additional numbers, he acknowledged that Sweden's jobs issue goes further than the number of registered unemployed.

"We have two problems here. We have a problem with unemployed people and we have a problem on sick leave. But you shouldn't mix these problems," he said.

Mr. Nuder also defended the government's recent additions to jobs programs and new plans to help return the long-term unemployed to the work force.

"Obviously, the market is not able to find these kinds of jobs," he said. He observed that in other countries such job candidates will need to work two jobs to make ends meet. "That's not the Swedish way."

"You're not allowed to say that in the unions," said Johnny Munkhammar, an economist at the Timbro free-market think tank. "The Social Democrats and the unions are very close. Employment will be the government's biggest issue ahead of the election, but the reality is against them."

Mr. Edling, pointing out that similar numbers to his had been under discussion behind closed doors, said that the Social Democrats and unions are "afraid of having a debate that right-wing parties will take advantage of."

The LO union denied that the report was suppressed. It said Mr. Edling's paper needed more evidence.

"There are some people who are early retired that are so because they were unemployed. The question is how many," said Mats Morin, another LO economist who wrote the union's rebuttal. "It raised more questions than answers," he said.

But government critics see other signs as the drumbeat of major companies shifting jobs overseas continues. Electrolux AB, General Motors Corp.'s Saab unit and the Swedish operations of International Business Machines Corp. are only the most recent to have joined the list.

Mr. Edling, a union employee of 18 years, doesn't relish his notoriety, nor does he see himself breaking party ranks.

"I'm still loyal to the LO and the Social Democratic party. I'm still the same person I was," Mr. Edling said. "I didn't expect this to happen."

He also believes he is being misunderstood. Instead of urging the overhaul of the labor market and welfare and tax regime, his aim was to show that regions investing heavily in infrastructure, research and education for job mobility did better than regions that didn't. Typically, he said, the latter had more hidden unemployment.

"The public debate is about statistics, but they are only a symptom of something that is wrong in this country," Mr. Edling said. "What we see are people at Electrolux who lose their jobs and don't know anything else than how to make vacuum cleaners. Chances are they will soon be in early retirement."

Write to Terence Roth at [email protected]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB111714741454244517.html?


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The Outdated 'Swedish Model'
July 15, 2005

Even at a time when Europe's liberal social welfare policies are facing new doubts, the so-called "Swedish model" continues to find fans. Admirers claim that Folkhemmet -- a merging of folk (people) and hem (home) -- raised Sweden from its poor, agrarian origins to an industrialized nation that provides generously for human needs. From before World War II until the mid-1970s, Sweden maintained low unemployment, a high rate of growth, and an impressive social welfare system.

But a new study ("Sweden after the Swedish Model") by Mauricio Rojas, an associate professor of economic history at Lund University, calls into doubt the continued vitality of this social concept. Indeed, Mr. Rojas argues that it no longer exists in practical terms. The Swedish model began its decline long ago, he says. It had deep roots in the Swedish psyche, but the author claims it is falling victim not only to economic pressures but also to a changing sense of national identity.

Mr. Rojas contends that Folkhemmet is a model for a bygone era, brought low by the Swedish economic crisis of the early '90s. Only the privatization of public services and a ceiling on public spending since those days has kept the Swedish economy afloat. That is, what success Sweden has enjoyed in the past decade has come from the progressive abandonment of the old model.

The path of continued growth, therefore, lies in continued reform, not in any attempt to revive the old statist model. Although reform presents Sweden with challenges, clinging to an outmoded guide would be far worse, Mr. Rojas argues.

There is clearly a long way to go. Even now, over half of Sweden's GDP is soaked up by tax revenues. This is the highest tax burden in Europe. It is thus no surprise that robust economic growth is an objective Swedes consistently fail to achieve. Despite empirical evidence, the idea that the Swedish model is obsolete still runs counter to conventional thinking in much of Sweden today and, more broadly, many corners of Europe. But its declining validity in today's competitive world is something Europeans would be wise to heed.

If Sweden can learn to see itself through a new lens, it can be competitive well into the future. There might be reason for optimism. Even in Stockholm, voices demanding less regulation and more free enterprise are making themselves heard. The heavy tax burden and the welfare measures it supports is now well-acknowledged as having sapped incentives to work.

Some politicians are urging tax simplification, which is good, but over time, Europe's competitiveness will depend on taxes and spending coming down in both absolute and relative terms. The most innovation is occurring at the edges of Europe, by those countries embracing globalization, such as Ireland and the Central European states. Those economies following the French-German social model are stagnating.

For Europe to learn from Sweden's mistakes, it will have to acknowledge that the much praised "model" is now an anachronism. Mr. Rojas has made a contribution to that understanding by pointing out that even the Swedes have their doubts.

Source


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Swedes less well off than African Americans
by Reuters Monday, May. 06, 2002 at 11:00 PM

STOCKHOLM, May 4 (Reuters) - Swedes, usually perceived in Europe as a comfortable, middle class lot, are poorer than African Americans, the most economically deprived group in the United States, a Swedish study showed on Saturday.
The study by a retail trade lobby, published in the liberal Dagens Nyheter newspaper 19 weeks before the next general election, echoed the centre-right opposition's criticism of the weak state of Sweden's economy after decades of almost uninterrupted Social Democratic rule.

The Swedish Research Institute of Trade (HUI) said it had compared official U.S. and Swedish statistics on household income as well as gross domestic product, private consumption and retail spending per capita between 1980 and 1999.


Using fixed prices and purchasing power parity adjusted data, the median household income in Sweden at the end of the 1990s was the equivalent of $26,800 compared with a median of $39,400 for U.S. households, HUI's study showed.

"Weak growth means that Sweden has lost greatly in prosperity compared with the United States," HUI's President Fredrik Bergstrom and chief economist Robert Gidehag said.

International Monetary Fund data from 2001 show that U.S. GDP per capita in dollar terms was 56 percent higher than in Sweden while in 1980, Swedish GDP per capita was 20 percent higher.

"Black people, who have the lowest income in the United States, now have a higher standard of living than an ordinary Swedish household," the HUI economists said.

If Sweden were a U.S. state, it would be the poorest measured by household gross income before taxes, Bergstrom and Gidehag said.

They said they had chosen that measure for their comparison to get around the differences in taxation and welfare structures. Capital gains such as income from securities were not included.


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The median income of African American households was about 70 percent of the median for all U.S. households while Swedish households earned 68 percent of the overall U.S. median level.

This meant that Swedes stood "below groups which in the Swedish debate are usually regarded as poor and losers in the American economy," Bergstrom and Gidehag said.

Between 1980 and 1999, the gross income of Sweden's poorest households increased by just over six percent while the poorest in the United States enjoyed a three times higher increase, HUI said.

If the trend persists, "things that are commonplace in the United States will be regarded as the utmost luxury in Sweden," the authors said. "We are not quite there yet but the trend is clear."

According to HUI figures, in 1998-99 U.S. GDP per capita was 40 percent higher than in Sweden while U.S. private consumption and retail sales per capita exceeded Swedish levels by more than 80 percent.

The HUI economists attributed the much bigger difference in consumption and sales mainly to the fact that U.S. households pay themselves for education and health care, services which are tax-financed and come for free or at low user charges in Sweden.

According to recent opinion polls Sweden's Social Democrats are comfortably ahead of the centre-right opposition in the run-up to the September 15 elections.

Source



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Beguiling curves of the Swedish model

By Richard W. Rahn

When considering the Swedish model, one can be forgiven for thinking of a comely statuesque blond with blue eyes. However, to economists and policy junkies, the Swedish model refers to the "third way" between socialism and capitalism many on the American left laud as the ideal.

Does the Swedish model work as advertised? According to a new paper by the highly regarded Swedish economist, Nils Karlson, the "model has become quite different from what was intended and to what many people still believe to be the case."
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The extent of the failure of the Swedish model are both shocking and little known. For example, no new net jobs have been produced in the Swedish private sector since 1950. (By contrast, the U.S. created more than 60 million new private-sector jobs during the same period, from 52 million in 1950 to about 115 million in 2002.) "None of top 50 companies on the Stockholm stock exchange has been started since 1970."

Again, contrast this with the U.S. where many of our biggest companies had not been born or known of in 1970, such as Microsoft, Intel, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Cisco, etc., Mr. Karlson's litany of failures of the Swedish model include: "Sweden has dropped from fourth to 14th place in 2002 among the OECD countries (i.e., affluent industrialized countries) in terms of GDP per capita since 1970."

In addition, "well over 1 million people out of a work force of around four million did not work in 2003 but lived on various kinds of public welfare programs, such as, pre-pension schemes, unemployment benefits, sick-leave programs, etc." Finally, "a majority of the adult population are either employed by the state or clients of the state in a sense that they have a majority of the income coming from public subsidies."

A half-century ago, Sweden was a great success story. One hundred fifty years ago, Sweden began a transformation from a poor agricultural society to a rich industrial society. The economy was deregulated, taxes were lowered and tariffs abolished. Modern limited liability company laws and a patent system were adopted. The result was from 1890 to 1950, Sweden was the world's fastest-growing economy, and developed a number of globally known and respected companies. During this time, Sweden was a low-tax country where the total tax burden reached only 21 percent of gross domestic product by 1950 (currently total taxes are approximately 30 percent of GDP in the U.S.).

The outlines of the Swedish "third way" welfare state began appearing in the 1950s. As late as 1960, taxing and government spending in Sweden, as a percent of GDP, was only slightly larger than in the U.S. But then the welfare statists went into full bloom. Taxing and spending surged in Sweden during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s until the mid-1990s, when tax revenues were more than 50 percent of GDP and government spending had reached a whopping 66 percent by 1995 (a peak from which it has slightly declined).

The rise in taxing and spending was coupled with increased market regulation, "social engineering" and state planning. All the taxing, spending and regulation had a number of unintended consequences, such as undermining volunteer organizations as people increasingly turned to the state for help. Job security legislation made employers more reluctant to hire. Fewer new firms were created, new inventions and innovations declined, and real costs of providing goods and services rose. Increasing taxes on labor undermined work incentives and increased the "black" or underground economy.

In addition to cataloging the economic decline resulting from the rise in the Swedish welfare state, Mr. Karlson argues that perhaps the most damaging consequence of the "third way" is the loss of "dignity" among the Swedish people. Mr. Karlson takes a classical approach and argues every individual has a "unique value" and a "good society" requires individual liberty, personal responsibility and respect for the liberty of others.

As the welfare state undermines the ability to engage in productive activity to support oneself, and individual liberty and responsibility, there will be a corresponding loss in dignity. This loss of dignity debilitates both the individual and society.

The Swedish model teaches us good intentions are not enough when trying to create a humane, compassionate and prosperous society. Failure to fully understand the economic and social consequences of policies that increasingly regulate and tax productive activity was the Swedish model's fatal flaw.

Unfortunately, this same ignorance of the consequences of taxing, spending and regulation is rampant among far too many of the American political and media class. The good news is the Swedish model is not totally useless; it is a fine model of what not to do if only we can get the American people and their opinion leaders to understand it.

Source


The 20% unemployment I quoted was recently corroborated by a Swedish government official. I didn't save the article, but will try to find it if you like. He also gave a realistic (and sadly, rather pathetic) portrait of the state of Sweden's hospitals and schools, along with a similar statement that his country should be looked at for what not to emulate.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 10:21 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
What are you on, Sierra? You're the first person to even mention Sweden. Or are you one of those people who regularly get Sweden and Switzerland confused? Along with Austria and Australia?


Actually, I was the second person.

The poster above me said:

Quote:
#7 sounds like a sound idea too, to me
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 30 Apr, 2006 11:04 pm
SierraSong wrote:
Quote:
Sweden's Hidden Jobless

STOCKHOLM -- Jan Edling, a little-known labor-union economist, is suddenly in the policy spotlight with his assertion that Sweden's real jobless rate is really closer to 20% than the official 5.5% rate.

He resigned last week from the big LO blue-collar union where he worked after the association declined to publish his research project into Sweden's hidden joblessness. Instead, he posted it online.

Right. So instead of the official national statistics - ok, fair enough, but also instead of the EU-standardized statistics on Swedish unemployment - you prefer to present here, as fact, a number suggested by "a little-known economist" in an article "he posted online".

Well, that sounds like a sound approach to ensuring you're presenting the most reliable data, when you pretend to state fact.

As for the overall economic picture, I think I prefer to trust the take of the US State Department over that of the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times commentariat, whose ideological proclivities render them far from neutral observers.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 12:20 am
nimh wrote:
As for the overall economic picture, I think I prefer to trust the take of the US State Department over that of the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times commentariat, whose ideological proclivities render them far from neutral observers.


I suppose that's fair. The US State Department probably just accepted whatever the Swedish government fed them as far as statistics go. Sure looks that way to me.

You'll notice we aren't exactly rushing to follow the Swedish example since we know the reality is that high taxes equal low growth. Sweden is in a state of general stagnation caused by their crushing tax burden. We know this. The Swedes know this. Everyone knows this. They just won't admit it. Smile

Just for fun, here's an article written by two Swedes on the collapsing Swedish economy. I know you'd rather take the word of our State Department, but these fellas seem downright depressed over the goings-on in Sweden. But then, they just live there, huh? If only they knew what you (and the US State Dept.) know.

Smile
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