Stop Cruel Horse Slaughter

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H.B. 1324, the bill that would legalize horse slaughter in the State of Texas, snuck out of the House of Representatives last week and moved to the Senate. It now awaits a vote in the Agriculture & Livestock Subcommittee of the Senate Natural Resourse Committee. If HB 1324 passes, it will be a devastating blow to the campaign to shut down America's last two remaining
horse slaughter houses <btw, operating illegally in Texas and flouting the state law prohibiting their activities> HB 1324 is their last desperate measure to keep the killing business afloat.

There will be a massive rally on May 9th at 11:00 at the State Capital Building in Austin. If you live in Texas, please ask your state Senator to oppose House Bill 1324, and if you live near the Austin area, please show your opposition to HB 1324 by attending the demonstration. People who do not live in Texas can still send a letter from first link above. Please visit Equus Sanctuary site also <second link>

The time to take action stopping cruel horse slaughter is NOW!

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What's the difference between horses and cows? Is the slaughter of horses more cruel than cow slaughter?

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owi

I'm against all animal slaughter and refuse purchasing animal products.

Two horse slaughterhouses remain in America, operating illegally in Texas. Instead of closing the operations, HB 1324 was introduced to the Texas legislature.

Rewarding illegal slaughterhouses with a pass via the State House, ludicrous, especially since over 90% of Americans <and all the horses> oppose the "industry".

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So 90% don't like to eat horse meat and 10% do. Nevertheless it should be the decision of the individuals to choose what to eat. The people who like to eat horse meat should eat it and those who don't should not.

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Horse Slaughter
Horsemeat is not available for human consumption in the United States because Americans do not ingest horseflesh.

If 10% agree with horse slaughter and consumption, they'd have to import
(not legal) horseflesh, or hide a kill from authorities (also illegal).

The Texas slaughterhouses "process" horseflesh for export.

Note: Please forgive my rudeness by not welcoming you to abk, owi.

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I love horses, I own one and my A2K name is horse-related. But I don't see it as any different from chicken, hog, or cattle slaughter. But if in fact, it is unusually CRUEL in the method of their slaughter, I'm opposed.

If we are talking about rounding up wild horses for slaughter and thereby exterminating them to extinction, I'm against it. But buying them at the sale ring for slaughter use is as valid as buying them for the family pet.

Europeans eat horsemeat, and the US exports some there. It is still used in the US for pet food. There are other uses for the carcass- 'catgut', horsehair, glycerin. I believe birth control pills are made partially from horse pieces.

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OK, didn't know that Americans do not ingest horseflesh. Even if there are only 1000 Americans who would like to eat horse meat it should not be the decision of the state to allow or forbid this.

How animals are treated in these slaughterhouse is another question. In my opinion the state has to define the methods how animals can be slaugthered in a way that the animals don't have to suffer too much.

No problem with not welcoming (perhaps this comunity is too big to welcome everybody personally?) me.

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Equus ~ there isn't a difference at the slaughterhouse. All animals suffer horrific deaths.

Animals are "stunned" - a process that does not kill the animal, many butchered or thrown into boiling water vats alive. Killing an animal humanely not an option, as euthenasia renders the "product" non-edible.

Horses used for the hormone Premerin are mares kept in stalls and tapped for their urine. The horses never see the light of day.
Fouls are genereally sent to slaughter, along with mares no longer "useful".

There are American horses rounded up by the BLM yearly - the horses not adopted are sold at auction for slaughter. The Bureau of Land Management is supposed to be protecting wild mustangs and burros. Our wildlife takes a huge hit from special interest groups.

It's a terribe tragedy seeing healthy horses who's only crime is not being wanted, sent to a damned slaughterhouse. There are far better options.

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Hi owi ~ This was the first post I'd seen from you <thanks> and we try welcoming all new members to a2k.

I'll make it official Very Happy

Welcome owi! Always good seeing new people at a2k. If you need assistence, please don't hesitate to ask administrators, content specialists, or you can ask a2k members during forum interactions

Good luck navigating ~

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thx for the official welcome Smile

Personally I think this forum is rather easy to use, but if problems occure I won't hestiate to ask for help.

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Stradee wrote:

Horsemeat is not available for human consumption in the United States because Americans do not ingest horseflesh.

Maybe, these of European origin do not. But what about Asians? I know that authentic Chinese/Korean cuisine includes many ingredients that Europeans do not eat.

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steissd, Asians and many Europeans overseas <because of the mad cow disease scare> buy horsemeat shipped from Canada, the United States, and Mexico.

Many asians eat dogs and cats! There are bile farms operating illegally in China <Bear bile cruely extracted for medicinal purposes> and although cultures may be different, animal cruelty issues exist.

The majority of Americans oppose horse slaughter <and the horses arn't crazy about the practice either>

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Stradee wrote:

Equus ~ there isn't a difference at the slaughterhouse. All animals suffer horrific deaths.

Animals are "stunned" - a process that does not kill the animal, many butchered or thrown into boiling water vats alive.

No. This is not cost effective. By assuming the animal is still able to feel then leads to the obvious - the animal if frightened/in pain will release cortiscol naturally. Thus rendering the meat pretty tough and not so marketable. Regardless of your thoughts on slaughter, the act itself if done improperly is NOT cost effective - therefore 'generally' NOT done.

Stradee wrote:

Horses used for the hormone Premerin are mares kept in stalls and tapped for their urine. The horses never see the light of day.
Fouls are genereally sent to slaughter, along with mares no longer "useful".

This is the exception to the rule. While I do not support the farming, simply based on the use of the PM estrogen you're describing worst case scenarios. Yes, sometimes that IS the case but generally based on the fact the farms do have quarterly walk throughs by vets working for orgs like the aspca it's more propoganda than anything else.

Stradee wrote:

It's a terribe tragedy seeing healthy horses who's only crime is not being wanted, sent to a damned slaughterhouse. There are far better options.

Like the thousands of horses waiting at rescue groups farms who are never adopted - the only difference between the horse and the cow would be arbitrary taxonomy on your part.

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wenchilini hi (Stradee reregistered)

What is generally not done at slaughterhouses is stopping the line for any reason, animals still very much alive during dismemberment. "Stunning" is not always affective.

I've a thread at Abuzz called "Power Steer". There you will find links regarding slaughterhouse.

http://nytimes.abuzz.com/interaction/s.334335/discussion_in_list/ci/0/

Tapping horses urine for hormone replacement therapy a cruel and unnecessary practice. Physicians for responsible medicine have a good website where more information posted regarding hormones and sciences' questioning exploiting animals for human health needs.

www.PCRM.org

The Texas Senate passed a bill closing both slaughterhouses in the state. The U.S. senate is now considering two horse slaugherhouse prevention bills, cosponsored by a majority of senators who are against the practice.

If more people were responsible, shelters would be empty and animals would have a decent chance of adoption instead of the millions euthanized yearly.

Animals (as well as the human animal) feel pain, grief, lonliness, and abandonment. All sentient beings deserve consideration for their needs, wheather a cow, a horse, or man.

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Howdy Santuzza Smile

Santuzza wrote:

What is generally not done at slaughterhouses is stopping the line for any reason, animals still very much alive during dismemberment. "Stunning" is not always affective.

You missed my point. It is NOT cost effective. Companies want to make money, and potential cortisol release torture is a money-losing options, which is why these procedures aren't done as the rule.

Otherwise, I'm sure, if there was a way to make money from putting animals in dungeons and doing these things corps like P&G would do them...

Santuzza wrote:

I've a thread at Abuzz called "Power Steer". There you will find links regarding slaughterhouse.

That site sadly has mixed in with some causes of merit some articles of nonsense. It's like Adbusters.

Santuzza wrote:

Tapping horses urine for hormone replacement therapy a cruel and unnecessary practice. Physicians for responsible medicine have a good website where more information posted regarding hormones and sciences' questioning exploiting animals for human health needs.

www.PCRM.org

Again I was not advocating the farming of it, I was merely indicating the propanganda is the exception to the rule.

Santuzza wrote:

If more people were responsible, shelters would be empty and animals would have a decent chance of adoption instead of the millions euthanized yearly.

Animals (as well as the human animal) feel pain, grief, lonliness, and abandonment. All sentient beings deserve consideration for their needs, wheather a cow, a horse, or man.

All living things on the planet are connected. Each and every one is a relative. Even plants. So before you start crying about cruelty to living things, be sure to understand the hypocrisy you are engaging in. And don't get suckered by the propaganda--. They aren't bastions of cruelty. How ridiculous.

Let me ask a question: Why are humans more important than plants, or insects, or bacteria?????

What do you eat? If you eat only plants, is that not cruel? Is that not even MORE cruel than eating animals, since plants are even more defenseless, i.e. they can't even try to run away????

We have absolutely no right to hurt animals, or plants, or bacteria, or viruses, or satellite viruses, or prions...

Arbitrary lines... arbitrary lines, and each of us draws an arbitrary one to decide what we should eat... I draw mine at other humans-- and to think, I used to go to communion and eat the body and blood of Christ... how revolting...Hardy har har

Soon, I will draw the line at mammals, then fish, then I will eat insects. Then, the line will be drawn at eukaryotes, then prokaryotes, then double stranded DNA viruses, then single stranded RNA viruses, then I will eat only the DNA of satellite viruses and perhaps the occasional plasmid or bacteriophage (for breakfast)... then, well, I suppose I will merely breathe ambient air and walk around with my mouth open, non-opportunistically catching bits of dust to sustain me...

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To each their own.

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For one thing- a horse that is stunned may still be alive but incapable of doing anything. It's like when you wake up and cant move minus the fact that you know whats going on around you. So more then likely they arnt aware of whats going to happen to them. And if europians and asians want horse meat why cant they kill their own horses. People are getting rich off of stealing, abusing, killing, and lieing. <--- most of those are crimes. ohhh and plants... They dont think... And most importantly don't have personalities.... Evil or Very Mad

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Horses, an integral part of America's heritage and culture, are favored animals, just like cats and dogs. Americans do not eat horses just as they do not eat cats and dogs. The horsemeat that is being served up in Europe or Japan could very well have been someone's cherished pet.

The way horses are slaughtered is cruel and inhumane. They ride cramped in a trailer, sometimes a dangerous double-decker, for days at a time without food or water. Then they are cattle prodded out to be shot in the head with a "captive bolt pistol" or "stun gun" which is designed to render an animal unconscious-not dead. The horse is often still alive as it is hung by its hooves and throat slit.

Humans are the ones who domesticated horses. Ever since then, horses have helped us in time of war, carried us across the country, plowed our fields, and helped give chronically ill children hope. Is slaughter the only thanks they get?

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jennypeeps wrote:

For one thing- a horse that is stunned may still be alive but incapable of doing anything. It's like when you wake up and cant move minus the fact that you know whats going on around you. So more then likely they arnt aware of whats going to happen to them.

Reread my posts please. I'd be happy to provide more information disputing this nonsense.

jennypeeps wrote:

And if europians and asians want horse meat why cant they kill their own horses. People are getting rich off of stealing, abusing, killing, and lieing. <--- most of those are crimes.

They do slaughter their own. In fact they breed specific horses specifically for their meat to become human dishes.

jennypeeps wrote:

ohhh and plants... They dont think... And most importantly don't have personalities....

Evidence, please.

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For 1.... I know that they kill their own, but I'm saying why do we have to help when we don't even eat horse here and for 2. Even if plants could feel I doubt any little girl is looking for their lost plant....

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