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Marines under attack, crying for their lives...

 
 
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:03 am
Marines under attack, crying for their lives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlvLmBvOx8

Why our international politicians and especially the Vatican still supports these senseless wars... bring em home, its not fair...

Best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:13 am
Terrible. This should be mandatory viewing for anyone who flippantly wants to just send our troops off to risk their lives. If it's not a damn good reason, they shouldn't go.

Here's to hoping those guys are ok.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:41 am
"Lord please let them stop." Imagine the prayers of the innocent Iraqis on the ground during Shock & Awe. And every day since. Blair and Bushie should be charged with crimes against humanity.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:09 am
OMG! This war is fcuked, they're not telling us the true death toll of our troops, check this sh!t out, i've been browsing the above posters video links, what you are about to see is unbelievable, there are so many iraqi sniper videos, this is turning out to be another vietnam.

FCUK THE WAR BRING THEM HOME NOW!

mujahadin
iraqi sniper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkcXRGz2Bkc&search=sniper
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 12:28 pm
I watched the sniper video,and saw nothing that claimed that those soldiers hit all died.
I saw 2 shoulder hits,and other body hits,but nothing that would indicate that all of those hit were killed.

Also,"juba" the sniper has been killed,by a USMC sniper brought in to hunt him down,so the video is rather old.

As for the video about the marines,what was the point.
EVERY soldier under fire,no matter how long the have been soldiers,reacts the same way when under fire.

Every soldier wants the shooting or shelling to stop,especially when they are not in a position to shoot back,or cant see where the fire is coming from.

Apparently,none of the marines were hit,and they were in a covered position.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 02:25 pm
There is a lot to be said for not publishing this sort of material to the general public. Its value iis far outweighed by the mischief that will be done with it, and to the chagrin of the soldiers depicted. War is not a pretty sight, its is bloody and most combat soldiers are far more terrified than they would ever willing admit to the folks back home. That has been the case since Alexander marched off to Persia, and it will be when men fight on distant planets. Whether a battle or war is going well or not, can not be determined by the emotional trauma of individual soldiers. Combat seen up close is chaos, filled with mind-numbing noise and XXX violence that can spray your face with the brains of your dearest friend. The loss of even a company or regiment (rare occurences) usually has little bearing on the conduct of a campaign.

Who can tell the real story of how successful a military operation is? On the modern technological battlefield, the best judgement might be had from a small group of military professionals sitting in a darkened half way around the world from where the bullets fly. Even there, there will be no definitive answer as to how well things are going in a strategic sense. The President and his top advisors are largely ignorant of battlefield details, but they are at least in a position to gauge what effect the battle may be having in other spheres. In the end, only a professional military historian a few hundred years hence is likely to have the "final word".

Neither Grant nor Lee wanted newspaper men in their camps, and though it flies in the face of political correctness, they were right in managing what was published about their efforts.

I'll bettcha I get a long string of flames over this opinion and post.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 02:32 pm
Ash,
You will, count on it.
The left on here seems to think that anytime someone shows fear,that means they dont want to be there.
Apparently,many on the left get all of their knowledge of the military from "Beetle Bailey"
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 02:44 pm
mysteryman, there are many US military in Iraq who agree with Pat Tillman that "this war is so f*cking illegal". I hope they dont suffer the same fate.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 02:54 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I watched the sniper video,and saw nothing that claimed that those soldiers hit all died.
I saw 2 shoulder hits,and other body hits,but nothing that would indicate that all of those hit were killed.

Also,"juba" the sniper has been killed,by a USMC sniper brought in to hunt him down,so the video is rather old.

As for the video about the marines,what was the point.
EVERY soldier under fire,no matter how long the have been soldiers,reacts the same way when under fire.
Every soldier wants the shooting or shelling to stop,especially when they are not in a position to shoot back,or cant see where the fire is coming from.

Apparently,none of the marines were hit,and they were in a covered position.


Every soldier reacts the same way under fire? Do you even realize how dumb that statement is? I interviewed Vietnam MOH recipient Clarence Sasser for a presentation I had to do about the MOH, and he suprised me by saying that his reaction was just getting more and more PO'ed at seeing buddies getting shot. I'm sure the reactions run the gamut from abject terror to absolute assurance. I don't even think one can say with certainty how they themselves will react when under fire.

Sometimes hyperbole serves to make a point, but that's just ridiculous. You can't know how "every soldier" would react - no one can.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 04:08 pm
snood wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I watched the sniper video,and saw nothing that claimed that those soldiers hit all died.
I saw 2 shoulder hits,and other body hits,but nothing that would indicate that all of those hit were killed.

Also,"juba" the sniper has been killed,by a USMC sniper brought in to hunt him down,so the video is rather old.

As for the video about the marines,what was the point.
EVERY soldier under fire,no matter how long the have been soldiers,reacts the same way when under fire.
Every soldier wants the shooting or shelling to stop,especially when they are not in a position to shoot back,or cant see where the fire is coming from.

Apparently,none of the marines were hit,and they were in a covered position.


Every soldier reacts the same way under fire? Do you even realize how dumb that statement is? I interviewed Vietnam MOH recipient Clarence Sasser for a presentation I had to do about the MOH, and he suprised me by saying that his reaction was just getting more and more PO'ed at seeing buddies getting shot. I'm sure the reactions run the gamut from abject terror to absolute assurance. I don't even think one can say with certainty how they themselves will react when under fire.

Sometimes hyperbole serves to make a point, but that's just ridiculous. You can't know how "every soldier" would react - no one can.


The point I was trying to make is that every soldier is afraid,and every soldier hates getting shot at.
How they show that is different for every one of them,but EVERY soldier reacts the same way.

Clarence Sasser showed his fear by getting mad,but he was still afraid.
Any soldier that says they werent afraid is a liar and a fool,and a danger to himself and his buddies.

Blue,
Since I dont believe Pat Tillman ever said that,Your opinions on the matter mean absolutely nothing.
You have expreseed your wish that every member of the sevice be arrested as war criminals,you have said that every member of the service is a murderer,yet you have never had the courage to wear the uniform.
You opinions are meaningless and beneath contempt.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 04:15 pm
mysteryman, of course you dont believe Tillman said it. His friends and mother say he did but that dont suit your spin. And I've never said that every member of the sevice be arrested as war criminals. I said and still say Bushie and Blair should be arrested as war criminals. But I'll also say our troops participated in a war crime. They obeyed a CIC who abused his authority and lied us into war. Most servicepeople believed the lies. Far fewer do now and a clear majority of Americans say Bushie deliberately lied us into war. There is no higher crime thasn that.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 04:21 pm
Support the Troops.

Learn the Truth.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 04:22 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
mysteryman, of course you dont believe Tillman said it. His friends and mother say he did but that dont suit your spin. And I've never said that every member of the sevice be arrested as war criminals. I said and still say Bushie and Blair should be arrested as war criminals. But I'll also say our troops participated in a war crime. They obeyed a CIC who abused his authority and lied us into war. Most servicepeople believed the lies. Far fewer do now and a clear majority of Americans say Bushie deliberately lied us into war. There is no higher crime thasn that.


So,you are now saying that even though they "participated in a war crime" that they should not be arrested?
What about those soldiers that re-enlist to go back to Iraq?
Since they have a chance to stay out and dont,are they more guilty of war crimes then those that havent had the opportunity to re-enlist?

Am I a war criminal,just because I served my country?

So now,"war criminals" should not be arrested?
It sure is amazing how you keep changing your definition of who is or is not a war criminal.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 06:27 pm
"There is a lot to be said for not publishing this sort of material to the general public. Its value iis far outweighed by the mischief that will be done with it, and to the chagrin of the soldiers depicted. War is not a pretty sight, its is bloody and most combat soldiers are far more terrified than they would ever willing admit to the folks back home. That has been the case since Alexander marched off to Persia, and it will be when men fight on distant planets. Whether a battle or war is going well or not, can not be determined by the emotional trauma of individual soldiers. Combat seen up close is chaos, filled with mind-numbing noise and XXX violence that can spray your face with the brains of your dearest friend. The loss of even a company or regiment (rare occurences) usually has little bearing on the conduct of a campaign."



And so you believe the dumb sheep should have no idea of what war really means, as we vote in people who will decide whether or not to subject people to it? That we should believe the sanitised American comic book fantasies of Iraq I, for instance?

Not to mention that anyone who did not realise that soldiers are often terrified and showing it hasn't ever bothered to find out anything about war.

But Asherman believes we should support consigning soldiers and civilians to hell in a fantasy based vacuous stupor and goddess forbid we ever wake up.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:45 pm
Let's hear for the rabbit!!!! Yaaahhhh

Truth and the reality of things are good not bad. They make us think.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:58 pm
What kind of friggin' unAmerican loon would want to hide this from the American public? This is war. This is what THEY voted for. This is the referendum THEY chose. The very least they can do-- besides slapping stupid magnetic ribbons to their behemoth, gas-guzzling SUVs-- is to look into the face of what they have wrought. I hope it makes them vomit up their Red Lobster all-you-can-eat shrimp dinner and recognize what they've done and whom they've consigned to hell.

For war is sheer hell and that was well known before Sherman made Georgia howl. THAT'S the exact reason that American kids shouldn't be sent off to war on the whim of a nitwit with the lie on his lips. THAT'S the exact reason no mother's son or daughter should be placed in harm's way absent an attack on our country or the provable existence of a direct threat thereto.

Unsettle the public? They deserve to be unsettled. Do mischief? Good grief! What's worse than destroying one country and killing 2500 Americans for nothing but hubris?

And the March of Folly continues....
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:00 pm
blacksmithn wrote:
What kind of friggin' unAmerican loon would want to hide this from the American public? This is war. This is what THEY voted for. This is the referendum THEY chose. The very least they can do-- besides slapping stupid magnetic ribbons to their behemoth, gas-guzzling SUVs-- is to look into the face of what they have wrought. I hope it makes them vomit up their Red Lobster all-you-can-eat shrimp dinner and recognize what they've done and whom they've consigned to hell.

For war is sheer hell and that was well known before Sherman made Georgia howl. THAT'S the exact reason that American kids shouldn't be sent off to war on the whim of a nitwit with the lie on his lips. THAT'S the exact reason no mother's son or daughter should be placed in harm's way absent an attack on our country or the provable existence of a direct threat thereto.

Unsettle the public? They deserve to be unsettled. Do mischief? Good grief! What's worse than destroying one country and killing 2500 Americans for nothing but hubris?

And the March of Folly continues....
#1 post of all time.
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paull
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:44 pm
Touching, and hard to believe. How the heck did they get the tape back anyway?


Anyway, if the US leaves, it is easy to imagine this tape played about 2000 times a week (Saddam's average death toll) as the Baathists try to take their little bit of the country back. Only a silly jingoist would think the life of an Iraqi worth less than that of one of our brave service people. Or is it racism that gets the supposed peace loving left thinking the Marines, et. al., are so worthy?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:22 pm
Quote:
THAT'S the exact reason no mother's son or daughter should be placed in harm's way absent an attack on our country or the provable existence of a direct threat thereto.


Judging by this,you also thought we were wrong to go to war in Europe in WW2,and you thought the Korean conflict was also wrong?

Tell me,what about Kosovoand the Haiti invasion?
What threat were they to us,and how had they attacked us?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:23 pm
Quote:
THAT'S the exact reason no mother's son or daughter should be placed in harm's way absent an attack on our country or the provable existence of a direct threat thereto.


Judging by this,you also thought we were wrong to go to war in Europe in WW2,and you thought the Korean conflict was also wrong?

Tell me,what about Kosovoand the Haiti invasion?
What threat were they to us,and how had they attacked us?
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