Setanta wrote:That statement suggests that people in Québec are somehow closet anglophones who speak French on a whim, or are forced to do so by statute or indoctrination. They speak French because they learn it from infancy in their homes, as has been the case for nearly 400 years.
It might suggest that to you from your overtly politicized/historical position, but from the perspective of my pet peeve, it is that I was forced to take French in high school for a number of years otherwise I was not permitted to graduate. Where I grew up there were no French speakers (still are very few) but there were plenty of others such as Chinese and East Indians and Jews, none of whose languages would have been allowed as an alternative to learning French in high school in order to graduate.
Setanta wrote:Quotidien means daily. Do you deny that the Québecois speak French on a daily basis?
Thanks for letting me know what it means. No I don't deny Canadians speak French in the same way I don't deny Canadians speak Chinese, Hebrew, English, Native Aboriginal Languages, East Indian Languages, Polish etc. but that in no way imputes that I should elevate French to a higher station or approve of government interventionisms with that goal and/or net result.
Setanta wrote:After first carefully editing that statement of his, you responded as follows:
I did no such thing as per your allegation of "carefully editing that statement". In fact I had a ton of text, all quoted in full, all ready to go, but it was so long as to be rather impenetrable. You are welcome to quote whatever you wish more fully if you feel it somehow beneficial in trying to support your increasing (and perhaps increasingly) specious and inflammatory allegations.
Setanta wrote:Intrepid is completely correct about the multi-cultural nature of Canada, and i would add that many Canadians are proud of that and boast of it.
Again you misunderstood my text as I was in no way denigrating the
concept & spirit of the "multi-cultural nature of Canada". If you read my post, you will see I make reference to this mixed background. I was in fact challenging the precept of who gets to decide what the
official nature of this fabric is, as per government interventionism, and pet peeves.
Setanta wrote:If i had a toonie for every time i've heard that from a Canadian, i'd take us all out to dinner at a dim sum house on Spadina, or maybe one of the excellent Greek restaurants on the Danforth, or maybe that excellent little Italian place on Bloor, where most of the staff are native speakers of Italian. The folks next door are native speakers of Italian. They speak that language almost exclusively, except for the eldest surviving son, who understands it perfectly, but always responds in English, saving those occasions when he needs to explain something to his parents when their English fails them. The Greek family across the street speak Italian to them as well. The Italian population of Toronto is sufficiently large that there is an Italian language television station. There is a large Portugese community in Toronto as well (best damned wedding receptions you'd ever want to attend), which accounts for the Portugese language television station. The Chinese population is so large that there are several Mandarin newspapers--same for the Hindi language, due to the large population from the subcontinent. Those communities also have television stations which broadcast in their languages.
And I am Jewish and speak some Hebrew and my wife is Polish and speaks both English and Polish superbly, my bestest bud is from Quebec and speaks both English and French fluently. As a musician I play at a number of ethnic weddings each year, I like.
Setanta wrote:Surely, though, they're all just a product of indoctrination, the dupes of cultural drivel. When the Governor General read the Speech from the Throne today, in English and French (the latter no doubt because she is just a tool of indoctrination in cultrual drivel), one of Harper's points was that the Tories embrace Canada's multi-cultural heritage. But they've all been indoctrinated, haven't they.
Sadly I am not sure of the relevancy of this text as I did not watch it nor am I sure what you are asking/stating.
Setanta wrote:More than 20% of the population of Canada are native speakers of French, whether or not you are charmed by the prospect. They've been here, speaking French and attending the Catholic church, for much longer than the Anglo-Saxon Protestant Ascendancy has been here. Too bad, so sad, you need to get over it. That constitutes an historical reality which is translated directly into a present reality, once again, whether or not you like it.
Again you have misinterpreted my post as per pet peeves and my position that the official languages act is not a level playing field. It's not the French v. English theme either historically or in modernity which you keep harping on that's pivotal to my pet peeve.
Again I was in no way denigrating the
concept & spirit of the "multi-cultural nature of Canada" but to certain specifics such as the official elevation of certain languages over others, and it's attendant governmental interventionisms in the context of a pet peeve.
If I may suggest another allegory: when it comes to your specious and inflammatory allegations, and your overtly politicized/historical position as per my pet peeve of not having a level playing field vis-a-vis government interventionisms & languages; a sledgehammer is infective.