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So Now We Are Down to the Final Four

 
 
Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2006 09:24 am
"We're now down to the final four. Not college basketball. The number of people who still think President Bush is doing a good job."

---Jay Leno

And all four post on a2k apparently.
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graemedaulby
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 01:29 pm
he innt doing a good job-he stinks
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Asherman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 01:42 pm
Jay Leno is a funny guy, and I'm sure that the liberals who make up a large part of his audience got a good laugh out of that one. Keep on laughing and fooling yourselves, and the Republican Party will continue to sit in the Executive Mansion.

If there are only four who still have faith in this administration, how many do you suppose would rather have Senator Clinton calling the shots for the nation? How does one express negative numbers anyway? Foolish, isn't it and not funny ....... but then I'm no Jay Lenno.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:24 pm
Asherman wrote:
Jay Leno is a funny guy, and I'm sure that the liberals who make up a large part of his audience got a good laugh out of that one. Keep on laughing and fooling yourselves, and the Republican Party will continue to sit in the Executive Mansion.

If there are only four who still have faith in this administration, how many do you suppose would rather have Senator Clinton calling the shots for the nation? How does one express negative numbers anyway? Foolish, isn't it and not funny ....... but then I'm no Jay Lenno.


Gosh, you are so out of touch, it's embarassing. Embarrassed Rolling Eyes Embarrassed Embarrassed
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:35 pm
It's remarkable when a comic provides us with a joke that hits the nail on the head that the denial comes forth in spades. I would not be surprised if Bush dips down below 30% but that would mean that the hard-core conservsative base is not buying his agenda either. Cheney is indefensible with his pathetic job rating. Anybody getting a review like that in a ligitimate business would have been fired.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:42 pm
Asherman, straight answer please -- do you think President Bush is doing a good job?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:54 pm
It sure isn't going to me John McCain in the next election as residing in the "Executive Mansion." After his pathetically poor performance on Meet the Press last Sunday and his continued endorsement of Bush and the Lost Administration, who are they going to run. Rice? She says she doesn't want to run. Colin Powell? Possibly. The Presidency is unpredictable. To even assume that their party will take or keep the White House is foolish dreaming.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:58 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
It sure isn't going to me John McCain in the next election as residing in the "Executive Mansion." After his pathetically poor performance on Meet the Press last Sunday and his continued endorsement of Bush and the Lost Administration, who are they going to run. Rice? She says she doesn't want to run. Colin Powell? Possibly. The Presidency is unpredictable. To even assume that their party will take or keep the White House is foolish dreaming.



I dont know who will run on the repub side.
Personally,I like George Allen,from Va.

On the Dem side,I would vote for and support Evan Bayh from In if he chose to run.

The problem the dems have is that until Hillary makes up her mind,nobody else wants to say anything.
If she decides to run,the majority of the money and support the dems get will go to her,and all the other viable candidates know that.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 09:01 pm
I would not vote for Hillary unless the Republicans ran somebody so bad I would have no choice. That's actually quite possible at this point.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 09:07 pm
How 'bout Biden v. Bayh?

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, either.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 09:11 pm
I would join the Green Party if the Dems nominated Bayh or anyone the likes of miserableman would vote for.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 11:13 pm
Sozbe,

I think that President Bush has done about as well as anyone could have under the circumstances. I admire his sticking to his gun and principles when so many are willing to quit. I believe that our foreign policy is on the right course, and that we should continue. The economy is strong, and most Americans are doing alright. I expect that the Republican Party will do reasonably well in the upcoming elections, and that we will win the White House again in the next Presidental canvass. It might be a close race, IF the Democratic Party changes its tactics and nominates someone who might appeal to the country outside urban California and New York.

LightWizard,

I like McCain. I can't imagine how anyone might question his courage and patriotism. McCain might easily be the Republican candidate, and he would have wide appeal across the nation. If Colin Powell were interested in high national office, he would be another ideal candidate. It is far too early to thump for one candidate over what may be a large and distinguished field. Often the front runners never make it out of the gate, and a dark horse wins both election and acclaim.

The Democratic Party has tougher prospects. They tend to fragment over issues that appeal only to special interest groups, and seldom unite behind any candidate. Their propensity to fawn over celebrities, and engage in smear campaigns is repugnent to many. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Hillary as their candidate, and unless things change radically, I don't believe she could be elected dog-catcher in Middle America running against Howdy Doody.

Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced in favor of conservative leaders with high character and a national vision.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 04:56 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
I would join the Green Party if the Dems nominated Bayh or anyone the likes of miserableman would vote for.


Try looking at his record,instead of just attacking.
I know thats difficult for you to do,but you might actually learn something.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Evan_Bayh.htm

You will find that he is a liberal,with some good ideas.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 08:21 am
Asherman wrote:
Sozbe,

Their propensity to fawn over celebrities, and engage in smear campaigns is repugnent to many.


As I said on another thread, you have completely lost touch with reality.

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I like McCain. I can't imagine how anyone might question his courage and patriotism.


I haven't seen anyone do that. (strawman) What many are questioniong is whether or not he has lost his mind.

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IF the Democratic Party changes its tactics and nominates someone who might appeal to the country outside urban California and New York.


You mean like they have done in the last four elections?

No wonder you vote Republican when you base your views on fantasy.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 08:27 am
Thanks for answering, Asherman. I'm surprised at your answer, but won't debate each point.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 08:31 am
McCain effectively blew his chances with me on last Sunday's Meet the Press, proving to be just another mealy-mouthed, groomed for Presidency chameleon personality and character. That's not questioning his patriotism -- that's the very cause of his particular kind of political psychosis. He thinks he is the best man for the job, the means to an end. I don't think I like what he has pictured as an end.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 11:06 am
Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you has "lost their mind"? I'm so deep into fantasy land that I'm probably mistaken that the Republican Party, its candidates and platform has been much, much more successful than the left-leaning Democratic Party.

How in touch with reality is it to point with pride to the failure of the Democratic Party to get in touch with the pulse of the nation? If Democrats are so great and the Republicans so bad, why is it that the Republican Party continues to get elected? We've heard a number of rationals for Democratic losses:
* Republican conspiracy, and the Press is dominated by the Right-wing;
* The Electoral College frustrates the true Will of the People;
* Manipulation of the vote;
* The Religious Right doesn't play fair in politics;
* The ease with which Americans are be misled, and;
* The Democratic candidate blundered (poor Kerry was crucified by some Democrats even before the election and he was pilloried almost as bad as the President when he lost.

and ... all of the above ... in fact every excuse has been offered, except that the Democratic Party has lost touch with the majority of American voters, that Pary catering to multiple special interests repels as many voters as it attracts, and the misguided idea that Americans are ready to move to a more socialistic system.

I'm on a real ranting rampage this morning ... oh well, its one of those days. There is a cold wind outside and the mountains are packed with cold clouds that refuse to give up any moisture.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 11:13 am
I think that McCain has clearly demonstrated that he is a conservative Republican, which would mean that i would not vote for him unless the alternative were just too horrible to contemplate.

And which, of course, means that there is nothing objectional about McCain's politics in the eyes of Asherman--which is not something to condemn him (Asherman) for, despite his willful insistence on refusing to see things my way. I despair of him, but suspect he'll survive (Asherman, who knows about McCain?).
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 11:35 am
Asherman wrote:
Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you has "lost their mind"?


Strawman, you sure are predictable.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2006 02:10 pm
Well, you've said in so many words above that I've lost my mind and live in a fantasy world divorsed from reality. You, and others here, clailm that Senator McCain has "lost his mind", and changed from a courageous national hero to a craven brown-nosed politician willing to do anything to be elected. You obviously don't agree the Senator's or my points of view, but your response is simple ... "You've lost your mind".

To point out your ad hominum falacy is not a 'strawman' arguement. The accusation that any disagreeable demonstration, example, or metaphor is a "strawman" arguement is getting a bit stale.
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