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Multiple Shootings at Seattle House

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:08 pm
Its U.
Statutes of Virginia 1631
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 06:11 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Well, to begin with,
the successful Revolutionaries who created government in America,
after the Hanoverian Dynasty was removed from control,
explicitly put control of guns beyond the reach of government,
so that the citizens cud keep government in line.
They knew that more revolutions might be necessary,
and they desired the citizens to win such encounters;
that wud be impossible if they were helpless.

Secondly, it was obvious to them
that the citizens needed guns
as defensive emergency equipment
from the depredations of criminals or animals,
remember: when the Bill of Rights was enacted in the 1700s,
there were no police anywhere in America, nor in England.
Everyone had to take care of himself.

Indeed, in Colonial America,
in the spirit of today 's madatory seatbelt laws,
it was against the law to go to church in an unarmed condition.
The clergymen checked their congregations.
( Apparently, they 'd lost too many Christians, on the way to church. )


You probably don't know that we're writing the year 2006.
Here, we shoot good Christians only verbally.

So the good Christians are safe from YOU,
but not necessarily everyone ELSE.

Its better to have it and not need it,
than to need it and not have it.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 3 Apr, 2006 07:11 pm
Quote:
Its better to have it and not need it,
than to need it and not have it.


The ones who have it, use it - unfortunately!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 06:46 am
False.

I have had it constantly since I was 8 years old
( well over half a century ) and never used it improperly.

This is true of about 80 million others.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 07:32 am
That is not necessarily so. The gun which Sirhan Sirhan used to shoot Bobby Kennedy in California had been legally purchased by a law-abiding citizen who had acquired a permit in the legal manner. It was stolen during the Watts rioting, and sold on the street repeatedly until Sirhan Sirhan acquired it.

In Canada, handgun violence is rising dramatically, usually in association with street gang violence. The RCMP has determined from their investigation that organized criminal gangs use the internet to identify owners of gun collections, who are targeted for burglary. Those guns in a collection which are rare or antique are fenced in the normal manner of stolen goods--those which are handguns of a sufficiently common calibre to make the purchase (or theft) of ammunition easy are sold on the street, exactly in the same manner as the handgun Sirhan Sirhan used.

The IInd Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in full:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That amendment does not guarantee anyone the right to keep handguns. It does not guarantee the right to keep as many damned guns of any description which i want to have. The first clause of that amendment refers to a well regulated militia, and there is nothing in the Constitution to the prejudice of the right of State legislatures or the Congress to regulate firearms. The only rational purpose of a hand gun is to shoot another human being. About the only reasonable dispute to that would be target shooting, for which it is not necessary that the potential target shooter keep a handgun at home.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 05:25 pm
Setanta wrote:
That is not necessarily so.

WHAT is not ?
U mean I have NOT had guns constantly
since I was 8 ?


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The gun which Sirhan Sirhan used to shoot Bobby Kennedy in California had been legally purchased by a law-abiding citizen who had acquired a permit in the legal manner. It was stolen during the Watts rioting, and sold on the street repeatedly until Sirhan Sirhan acquired it.

So what ?
Wud it have been better if he hit him in the head with a hammer,
or used a bomb ? or a screwdriver thru the throat ?
or a homemade gun ? the olde fashioned way ?
Criminals even make guns in prison workshops.
Every so ofen,
the guards hear a loud noise and find a lot of blood around.



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In Canada, handgun violence is rising dramatically, usually in association with street gang violence. The RCMP has determined from their investigation that organized criminal gangs use the internet to identify owners of gun collections, who are targeted for burglary.

Really ??
I doubt that MY gun collection is on the internet.
Maybe the Canadian government publishes addresses
of registered guns ? I don 't know.




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Those guns in a collection which are rare or antique are fenced in the normal manner of stolen goods--those which are handguns of a sufficiently common calibre to make the purchase (or theft) of ammunition easy are sold on the street, exactly in the same manner as the handgun Sirhan Sirhan used.

Yeah; thay steal cars n money too;
shud we be penniless pedestrians, in our anti-crime efforts ?
I don 't think so.
I doubt that we shud blame umbrellas for rain.


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The IInd Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in full:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That amendment does not guarantee anyone the right to keep handguns.

That is a false statement.
We know from their writings,
that the Founders who enacted that amendment
were big libertarians, stingy with giving power to governments,
who believed in personal defense.
James Madison used to run gunnery matches
for his neighbors and the townsfolk. Prizes were usually turkeys.
A letter from Thomas Jefferson to his 12 year old nephew,
survives among his memorabelia,
counselling the boy always to take his gun with him
on his walks, and to work out with it, for proficiency.
Jefferson prefers it over ball games, he says.

THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR GUN CONTROL IN THE 1700s.
If u can FIND any writing to the contrary,
please let us know.




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It does not guarantee the right to keep as many damned guns of any description which i want to have.

It puts any control of guns beyond
the reach of government.



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The first clause of that amendment refers to a well regulated militia,

Yes: " well regulated " NOT selected militia,
which were government sponsored.
Well regulated militia were just the guys in the neighborhood
who were armed ( i.e., EVERYONE )
who wished to join together; like a volunteer fire dept.
or a volunteer library, like the Free French of WWII,
or the merchants' militia of NY or L.A., when the police fled in time of riot.


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and there is nothing in the Constitution to the prejudice of the right of State legislatures or the Congress to regulate firearms.

Alas, you are in error.
The 2nd Amendment does that.

It makes sure that the citizens have greater power
than their child, government.
It was an eraser on the pencil of government.

This was argued explicitly in the Federalist Papers,
that the people, in their militia,
wud have overwhelmingly greater power than government.
Indeed, the 1st Congress capped the size of the US Army at 800 men,
to insure this.

Quote:
The only rational purpose of a hand gun is to shoot another human being.

YES. Every minute, every year,
every Christmas, every birthday, every fine meal, every delight
of your future life may DEPEND on your DOING that.
Guns are emergency defensive equipment.

Remember: The death penalty, with NO APPEAL,
applies to being unarmed, in the face of criminal depredation
( within the DISCRETION of the criminal predator ).

On too many occasions, people who were HELPLESSLY in full compliance
with all gun control laws,
lost their lives to criminal depredations.
Remember,
the criminal has as much time as he desires
to arm himself OPTIMALLY for the hunt of human prey.


Folks who live their lives UNARMED,
shud practice daily drills of begging n grovelling pitifully,
in hope of evoking the mercy of criminals who will choose
to let them live,
regardless of their anticipated complaints
to the police and testimony in criminal litigation.



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About the only reasonable dispute to that would be target shooting,
for which it is not necessary that the potential target shooter keep a handgun at home.

Target shooting is fun; I enjoy it,
but it is not a matter of life and death,
which is one of the 2 primary reasons for possession
of defensive gunnery.
Those reasons are:
1. A. : killing burglars
1. B : killing robbers

and

2. Keeping the government in line,
by all the citizens being armed to the teeth.
The only gun control that I can condone
is that of Colonial America,
wherein ( in the spirit of modern seatbelt laws )
gun possession was mandatory ( as was proficiency practice ).
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 05:37 pm
OmSigDAVID, please provide me with your address so i can be sure to never buy a house next to you
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 05:44 pm
Setanta wrote:

The IInd Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, in full:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That amendment does not guarantee anyone the right to keep handguns. It does not guarantee the right to keep as many damned guns of any description which i want to have.

The first clause of that amendment refers to a well regulated militia, and
there is nothing in the Constitution
to the prejudice of the right of State legislatures or the Congress to regulate firearms.


By assuring an armed populace,
the Founders physically put sovereignty into the hands of the citizens.


I like the way US Supreme Ct Justice Joseph Story (1811-1845) put it :
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered
as the Palladium of the liberties of the republic since it offers a strong
moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of the rulers;
and will generally...enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

His view was adopted by the US Supreme Ct in US v. MILLER,
together with that of Judge Thomas Cooley who reiterated that idea, adding:
"The meaning of the provision...
is that the people ...shall have the right to keep and bear arms
and
they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose
." [emphasis added]

The Constitution no more allows any govern ment to control guns
than to edit the Bible or control who has one.
(It should be borne in mind that any conflict between the Constitution of 1787
[e.g. interstate commerce clause] and the Bill of Rights
must be resolved tofavor the Bill of Rights because those rights
were changes to the original instrument.)
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 05:49 pm
djjd62 wrote:
OmSigDAVID, please provide me with your address
so i can be sure to never buy a house next to you

Good idea;
make too much noise with all that singing n dancing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 06:40 pm
boomerang wrote:
Sorry but nobody needs six handguns
and three hundred rounds of amunition in their car.

Well, I suppose that 's true,
like I don 't NEED to wear two socks.



U mean I can 't go target shooting ?

or if I do, I shud limit myself to 5 guns from now on ?

or I shud take less ammo,
and just come home sooner ?


ANYWAY,
ITS THE BILL OF RIGHTS, NOT THE BILL OF NEEDS.
DAVID
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 06:48 pm
timberlandko wrote:
No weapon is more dangerous
to a proposition than the jawbone of an ass.


The repressionists want to remove guns,
saying they are sometimes used to facilitate crime.
They fail to understand that the actual weapon is the HUMAN MIND,
whose cleverness has not been controlled nor restrained (even in prison).

This mind expresses itself perseveringly,
into the manifestation of its felt needs or desires,
and it has FOREVER to do the job that it selects
(e.g., the art of the gunsmith/merchant).
Prohibition is futile.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 07:14 pm
jesus, whats with the king kong fonts?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 07:16 pm
ez to read
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 08:24 pm
Somebody send me a PM when the screaming stops, and the discussion resumes among the adults . . .
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 4 Apr, 2006 08:28 pm
OmSigDAVID, you are the prime example why private citizens
should NOT be allowed to carry fire arms.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 05:16 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
ez to read

it SO is not.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 08:43 am
Not only is OSD's choice of font unpleasant on the eyes, his choice of opponent and rejoinder indicates a signal lack of situational awareness Laughing
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 11:04 am
Indeed. It's a good thing he can't use his arsenal in this thread. Think of the collateral damage...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 12:23 pm
Wouldn't worry too much about him doing any damage with his arsenal, at least here on A2K, D'art; Peace Through Superior Firepower, and all that, ya know Twisted Evil Mr. Green Twisted Evil
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2006 07:01 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
OmSigDAVID, you are the prime example why private citizens
should NOT be allowed to carry fire arms.


I offer u intellectual analysis
and u answer with personal vilification.

U can 't handle the intellectual content of the message
( because it supports personal freedom and individualism )
so u attack the messenger.

U define yourself by your deeds.
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