What is truth?

(shouted)
Hasten, Jason, bring the basin!
OOP!! SLOP!!!!

(resignedly)
Bring the mop...

You really have to do this aloud with a group of six-to 10-year-olds to appreciate it. Even better if you *are* a six- to 10-year-old!

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heph, I know a kidder when I meet one - even over the internet. Wink

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LOL cute chumly... very cute...

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CI I'm small on the outside, but big on the inside! Very Happy

And boy to I love to talk smack! LOL

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*sigh* I guess Jason is not coming back tonight. What a shame.

I guess I win the stubbornness battle once again...

WHOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!

Very Happy

Heph walks off into the sunset singing...

I've paid my dues -
Time after time -
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime -
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked in my face -
But I've come through

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls -
You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it
-
I thank you all -

But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise -
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race -
And I ain't gonna lose -

We are the champions - my friends
And we'll keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions - of the world

Hehehe...
Good night! Very Happy

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

neologist wrote:
JLNobody wrote:
See? Neologist did it: "Gosh, Jason. Are you sure your perception of reality represents the truth?"
He is equating "truth" with "reality". In effect he's asking Jason if he is sure his perception of the Truth is true, or if his perception of Reality is real. . .
Not my fault. Jason made statements based on his perception of reality. :wink:

Aren't those examples your perception of reality too, neo? Aren't we governed by the laws of this "reality"?

I had to get off the hook. What better way than to blame someone else?

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What is truth?

A very deep philosophical question touching on logic physics religion quantum mechanics you name it...but actually TRUTH is what I say it is.

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Truth is beauty.

Which leads us to truth v. truism

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Truth is something consistent.

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Chronic diarrhea is truth.

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satt_fs wrote:

Truth is something consistent.

I like that.

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JLNobody wrote:

Interesting point, Jason. But you are again confusing truth with reality.

I'm not confusing truth with nothing, JLNobody. You and the other demented individuals here are chasing your own tailsnonstop. When I talk about the word "truth," I mean in the logical sense...in the sense that applies to us all...the "reality" that governs us all, that governs human beings. I'm talking about definitionthe definition you and I (and billions of people) use in order to communicate with each other.

JLNobody wrote:

Reality is the case, as you say, for ALL of us; truth is what passes in terms of certain standards, standards set by SOME of us.

Don't confuse yourself, JL. I'm not talking about the reality of insects or dogs (I'm guess that they perceive "reality" differently than we); I'm talking about a true proposition based on definition.

Whatever standard you are referring to "the standard set by SOME of us", that's the "truth" that I'm talking about: "a true proposition."

JLNobody wrote:

The first is that which is for everyone; A (notice I don't say "the") truth is an "acceptable" proposition about aspects of reality.

Something that is true.

JLNobody wrote:

That's the last boring time I'll say it.

Don't say it any more.

JLNobody wrote:

This has to do with definitions and usage. Philosophically my distinction is problematical.

You (like many others) are drowning yourself in your own nonsense. Truth is or it isn't...based on observation in the "Reality" that governs us all. That's the truth that I'm talking about. When you go into philosophical questions about the existence of a proposition, you will eventually notice that you may never find your way out. In philosophy nothing is what it seems. Now, stop with the nonsense and apply definition.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Jason, I do not believe in god or the bible, but individual truth just is. It does not require all humans to believe it to be true.

What do you mean "individual truth"? What kind of nonsense is that? Truth is or is not. Period. If you are talking about "individual truth," you are talking symbolically.

I witness a man rubbing a bank. A few hours later I tell my friend about itbut my friend doesn't believe me. That doesn't mean that the bank rubbery didn't happen. If such event happened, it's trueif it didn't, then it wasn't true. I may be lying, but such doesn't change the fact that the bank rubbery happened or didn't. Get it? Truth or not.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Here's some perspective on the subject of religion.
Before the bible jesus and god came on the scene about 2 thousand years ago, humans believed in all sorts of gods - even humans as gods. That was their truth. They lived and died believing in their gods. It was without question their truth.

I believe for most people of religion, it is an accident of birth. In other words, most people belong to the religion of their parents/community/country. Most did not choose their religion; it was chosen for them by their parents. Some leave their birth religions and believe in other religions or gods. That's still their truth.

All my siblings and their spouses are christians as are their children. We were once buddhist, but our mother converted to christianity when we were very young. I am an atheist married to a buddhist. Our children do not belong to any religion. That's still our truth.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Did I make any sense?

Not at allbut if you are talking in metaphorsthen I would have to consider. Stop the nonsense.

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Jason, Simply put, you will never understand the concept of truth. It is not metaphoric at all, you just don't "see it." What makes you think everything YOU think is the truth is the truth for all humans?

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Name something you think is "your" truth?

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Q: Do you think George W Bush tells the truth - all the time?

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Chumly, grumpily wrote:

Chronic diarrhea is truth.

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Chronic diarrhea is a loose bowel movement problem. It has nothing to do with "truth."

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When you are so afflicted, it becomes the only truth you can think about.

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hephzibah wrote:

Bwaaaaaaaaa hahaha!

You will have to control yourself, my dear, before I'm forced to call the men in white.

hephzibah wrote:

Jason... I think I have finally met my match. You are quite possibly the most stubborn man I have ever met in my life, and my stubbornness has gone virtually unchallenged until now. Grrrrr...

And that's not a compliment. I know. It is extremely hard for me to try and talk reason with the illogical. It is exhausting.

hephzibah wrote:

First of all the bible itself IS a tangible thing.

If you are talking about the physical aspect of it, yeah it is tangibleI only asked that question because I didn't know in which context you used the word "tangible."
I mainly ask that question because I expect the unexpected with people who think like you.

hephzibah wrote:

Second of all I said nothing about "belief" in my most recent statements.

What is your point? You have said it befoream I not to expect that from you?

hephzibah wrote:

And finally... you are most effectively dodging the whole purpose of this thread. Which is to discuss what "truth" is.

Are you talking about finding "the truth" philosophically? If this is so, then I would have to tell you that this whole thread is pointless.

hephzibah wrote:

The point being that "truth" is different things to different people. The contents of the bible are "truth" to me. They are not "truth" to you. Therefore, my truth is not your truth.

Truth is truthlie is lie no matter what the situation is. Why can't you just stop this nonsense once and for all?

hephzibah wrote:

Truth itself cannot be the same for everyone.

If you are living in the same "reality" as I amit is.

hephzibah wrote:

If it were then this world would not be what it is today.

And I have a question for you (not sure if you will be able to answer it). It's simple though:

Why does the world appear insanelogically speaking? Can you answer this question, my dear? It's simple.

hephzibah wrote:

People do things in the name of "truth", whatever that is to them, every day.

But what "truth" are you talking abouta made up "truth" or a real "truth"like "you killed my father, and I'm gonna kill you for it"? What is it? There are two types of prepositions that I'm dealing with here: the true proposition of an event and the symbolic one.

hephzibah wrote:

However, just because they see something as being "truth" does not mean that is "truth" to me, or something I would do.

Again with the nonsense.

hephzibah wrote:

Can I string you up by your toe nails yet? Cause I'd sure like to right about now! b

I have no idea what you are talking about (that's no surprise to me, really).

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