What is truth?

Because I am I will!

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hephzibah wrote:

Sure Jason, but you'll have to give me about a half an hour... it's time for me to leave work. I'll be home about 11:30 and will have an answer for you then. Cya.

This should be interesting.

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JLNobody wrote:

See? Neologist did it: "Gosh, Jason. Are you sure your perception of reality represents the truth?"
He is equating "truth" with "reality". In effect he's asking Jason if he is sure his perception of the Truth is true, or if his perception of Reality is real. . .

Not my fault. Jason made statements based on his perception of reality. :wink:

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The bible is my truth. However it is not yours. Very Happy

How do you like them apples Jason? Hehehe...

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hephzibah wrote:

The bible is my truth. However it is not yours.

How do you like them apples Jason? Hehehe...

You are talking metaphorically, I see. You should've said this before.

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neologist wrote:

JLNobody wrote:
See? Neologist did it: "Gosh, Jason. Are you sure your perception of reality represents the truth?"
He is equating "truth" with "reality". In effect he's asking Jason if he is sure his perception of the Truth is true, or if his perception of Reality is real. . .
Not my fault. Jason made statements based on his perception of reality. :wink:

Aren't those examples your perception of reality too, neo? Aren't we governed by the laws of this "reality"?

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

hephzibah wrote:
The bible is my truth. However it is not yours.

How do you like them apples Jason? Hehehe...

You are talking metaphorically, I see. You should've said this before.

How do you figure that's metaphoric? I believe the bible is the truth. That's a fact... You don't... That's a fact. Please explain?

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You're belief in the Bible is true. That's another thing, heph... totally different from "the Bible is the truth"...opposed to " the Bible is MY truth."
Can you see the difference?

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

hephzibah wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
heph, But we're talking about individual truth, not what some majority in the same clan thinks.

I am aware of this CI, and I actually agree with you about the "one persons truth is not another person's truth".

Can you provide at least one example of such thing, heph?

You asked for an example of one persons truth not being anothers. The bible is MY truth. It is not YOUR truth. So in saying it is MY truth, then yes I am saying the bible is truth to ME. However it is YOUR truth. Therefore it is not truth to you. It's all the same thing Mr. Man. It's all the same thing.

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hephzibah wrote:

Jason Proudmoore wrote:
hephzibah wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
heph, But we're talking about individual truth, not what some majority in the same clan thinks.

I am aware of this CI, and I actually agree with you about the "one persons truth is not another person's truth".

Can you provide at least one example of such thing, heph?

You asked for an example of one persons truth not being anothers. The bible is MY truth. It is not YOUR truth. So in saying it is MY truth, then yes I am saying the bible is truth to ME. However it is YOUR truth. Therefore it is not truth to you. It's all the same thing Mr. Man. It's all the same thing.

But you are talking in metaphor, heph. See the difference?

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#$&^%

NO I am not. I am not speaking figuratively in any manner. I am speaking about something that is real, tangable, and a part of both of our lives.

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tangible?

It is the truth that you "belief" in the Bible. That is a fact. But that's it. "Truth is" versus what "is not," heph.
It can't be truth to you and not truth to me...it has to be truth to us all...understand?

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Interesting point, Jason. But you are again confusing truth with reality. Reality is the case, as you say, for ALL of us; truth is what passes in terms of certain standards, standards set by SOME of us. The first is that which is for everyone; A (notice I don't say "the") truth is an "acceptable" proposition about aspects of reality. That's the last boring time I'll say it.
This has to do with definitions and usage. Philosophically my distinction is problematical.

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Jason, I do not believe in god or the bible, but individual truth just is. It does not require all humans to believe it to be true.

Here's some perspective on the subject of religion.
Before the bible jesus and god came on the scene about 2 thousand years ago, humans believed in all sorts of gods - even humans as gods. That was their truth. They lived and died believing in their gods. It was without question their truth.

I believe for most people of religion, it is an accident of birth. In other words, most people belong to the religion of their parents/community/country. Most did not choose their religion; it was chosen for them by their parents. Some leave their birth religions and believe in other religions or gods. That's still their truth.

All my siblings and their spouses are christians as are their children. We were once buddhist, but our mother converted to christianity when we were very young. I am an atheist married to a buddhist. Our children do not belong to any religion. That's still our truth.

Did I make any sense?

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Yes, C.I., you are focusing on the relativist nature of "truth" (as opposed to the absolute nature of Reality).

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Bwaaaaaaaaa hahaha!

Jason... I think I have finally met my match. You are quite possibly the most stubborn man I have ever met in my life, and my stubbornness has gone virtually unchallenged until now. Grrrrr... Mad

First of all the bible itself IS a tangible thing.

Second of all I said nothing about "belief" in my most recent statements.

And finally... you are most effectively dodging the whole purpose of this thread. Which is to discuss what "truth" is. The point being that "truth" is different things to different people. The contents of the bible are "truth" to me. They are not "truth" to you. Therefore, my truth is not your truth.

Truth itself cannot be the same for everyone. If it were then this world would not be what it is today. People do things in the name of "truth", whatever that is to them, every day. However, just because they see something as being "truth" does not mean that is "truth" to me, or something I would do.

Can I string you up by your toe nails yet? Cause I'd sure like to right about now! Razz

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C.I., I wanted to say the relativistic and perspectival nature of truth, but Heph posted before I could make the edit.

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Hehehe... did that on purpose...

NOT!

BTW Jason, the stubbornness thing was a compliment. Just wanted to edit... but someone posted before I could... won't mention any names. :wink: hehehe...

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Better watch out, JLN. heph can get violent; just picturing hanging somebody by their toe nails makes me shiver. Wink

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LOL Oh boy... I'm definitely not as intimidating in person. Hehehe... When you meet me you'll be like... Uuuuhh.. Where is she? Then you'll look down and say... "HEY! Who invited the munchin?" LOL

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