cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 26 Jun, 2008 01:33 pm
This is from one of the links provided from the above email:

"Senator Obama has been able to develop innovative approaches to challenge the status quo and get results. Americans are tired of divisive ideological politics, which is why Senator Obama has reached out to Republicans to find areas of common ground. He has tried to break partisan logjams and take on seemingly intractable problems. During his tenure in Washington and in the Illinois State Senate, Barack Obama has accumulated a record of bipartisan success."


"Innovative approach?" WTF....
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teenyboone
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 02:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not having experience is a good thing; look at Bush and the current congress; all with "experience." They've screwed up this country without even trying. Millions of Americans are losing their jobs and homes while food and fuel costs escalate beyond affordability for most middle class families.

Who wants that kind of experience?

CI:
I hate to be a killjoy, but I've been watching the Democrats, vote with the Repugs! The more I watch them, the more disgusted I get! They talk the talk, but they are a bunch of COWARDS, when it comes to showing the Repugs who owns Congress, now! They're as much to blame for the demise of this nation as the Republicans they love to blame, then they have that, "WHO US"? look, on their faces!

My only hope as a woman, Black and Catholic, s to get the hell out of this country while I can, before THEY start rounding us up! We're in a police state, as it is! Cool
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 03:20 pm
I hear you, teenyboone. Our countries going down in a hand basket of stupid politicians and Americans who continue to vote in the same "experienced" law-makers. If there used to be a two party system in this country, that disappeared some years ago. What is more amazing is the simple fact that the very people who voted in our representatives and president are the very people giving them the very low performance rating.

And we're about to do it all over again in November. Go figure.
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mysteryman
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 05:52 pm
teenyboone wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not having experience is a good thing; look at Bush and the current congress; all with "experience." They've screwed up this country without even trying. Millions of Americans are losing their jobs and homes while food and fuel costs escalate beyond affordability for most middle class families.

Who wants that kind of experience?

CI:
I hate to be a killjoy, but I've been watching the Democrats, vote with the Repugs! The more I watch them, the more disgusted I get! They talk the talk, but they are a bunch of COWARDS, when it comes to showing the Repugs who owns Congress, now! They're as much to blame for the demise of this nation as the Republicans they love to blame, then they have that, "WHO US"? look, on their faces!

My only hope as a woman, Black and Catholic, s to get the hell out of this country while I can, before THEY start rounding us up! We're in a police state, as it is! Cool


Have a nice trip!!!
Write us when you get settled wherever you end up.
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Lash
 
  1  
Thu 26 Jun, 2008 07:08 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Lash wrote:
Hoping feasible negated windmill power .... Very Happy
Wind Power is already feasible, even cost effective, where it is windy. Hydro is awesome (see the Hoover Dam), and banks of offshore wave power devices are coming soon. No brainer where the waves are big. For the most part; these technologies can be made cost effective on smaller scales much more cost effectively... which means instead of waiting for Uncle Sam; do it yourself.

About half the dough you blow on power is to maintain the transmission infrastructure/transmission itself. This means power you make saves you exactly what you would pay the power company. Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief, the power companies are not required to pay you for making energy at this rate. In most places; you're lucky to get half. This is a good place to start as far as passing legislation to encourage eco-friendly power production.

In the mean time; a home or a company in a windy area can still get top dollar for producing eco-friendly power simply by consuming it themselves. An energy hungry company in a windy area can actually improve their bottom line by purchasing one of those giant GE Windmills... but not too many really need that kind of power. The trick is in investing only enough to manufacture most of your own power. This is equally true at your residence.

This is all fine and friendly, but battery technology still blows. So when the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine, we still need grid power and the single best, most eco-friendly way to get it is nuclear power. Nuke Tech is damn near perpetual motion, and the only thing that's really required to take advantage is a minimal amount of education for the masses. I've no time to gather the stat's but I assure you the number of people killed by coal transportation alone, already, dwarves the number ever even effected by nuclear power plants (not counting idiotic Soviet designs that would never be used here anyway).

.

Thanks a lot! I thought this based on a recent class--but good to have your input. I agree. Three Mile Island really stopped our progress with Nuclear Energy in its tracks.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 08:59 pm
Lash wrote:
Thanks a lot! I thought this based on a recent class--but good to have your input. I agree. Three Mile Island really stopped our progress with Nuclear Energy in its tracks.
Not just ours. The whole world became afraid after Chernobyl (Three Mile Island was no big deal) and it was a farce. I think it was Germany; that was successfully testing a breeder reactor at that time, but it was mothballed after Chernobyl. This Technology creates more fuel as it uses fuel, and I read somewhere that the newest designs actually produce more fuel than they use. Given the tiny amount of virgin material used; we have in abundance enough to last for thousands of years. Paranoia and propaganda from the owners of competing sources of power have left the masses collectively ignorant of the truth. France is way ahead of the game on nuke, right now. Anybody remember the last time they had an accident (let alone a disaster)? Nope. No you don't.

The Soviet design wouldn't have been terribly safe if they had built in a containment shell. But they didn't even bother. That reactor design without one was a simple matter of valuing money over people. They knew they were rolling the dice when they built it. And this is the example trotted out by the deliberately ignorant. IMO, every decent politician who's studied the facts for 60 minutes or more knows the truth. Unfortunately, the truth isn't always popular with an ignorant electorate. Sad
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 09:34 pm
Really, this thread has had a remarkable run but it is damned hard for those who don't log on to A2K for at least 8 hours a day to keep up with it.

Is it not time to move the component issues of the grand subject of "OBAMA" into subordinate and separate threads?

Efforts, seem to have been made to do so so but still this thread remains the cornucopia of Obama considerations.

Keep it going, if you will, but this is not the only never-ending thread. Any and all efforts tend to stifle an exchange beyond the similarly minded.

Move on (with it) dot com.

I can't keep up with it.

I doubt there are are many who mourn my inability, but at some point I would think you would appreciate the space to catalog counter arguments

Perhaps not.

In any case, I commend the longevity of this thread --- it is quite amazing in its scope --- but I bid it adieu.
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rabel22
 
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Thu 26 Jun, 2008 10:38 pm
Well, well. What do you know. I have been trying to tell you all he is just another politician. He has the nomination wrapped up and now you have a chance to vote republican or republican lite. He is another chicago democratic politician who dosent give a shyt what you think. Live with your stupidity just as we had too with Bush.
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engineer
 
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Fri 27 Jun, 2008 06:12 am
A Clinton backer issues a call to arms.

Quote:
"When asked an open-ended question about the first words that come to mind about Obama, some former Clinton supporters used words like Muslim or terrorist," AP reports. And yet, "An analysis of Clinton supporters who are backing McCain shows they are more liberal than the Arizona senator on the issues. The majority favor removing troops from Iraq as soon as possible, a single-payer health care system funded by taxpayers and repeal of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy."

I'm growing more intolerant, as Maya's mama wisely advised, by the minute.

Certainly, those of us who believed in Senator Clinton's vision and her campaign are entitled to time to grieve. But our grief cannot trump our beliefs and it must not blind us to the very real consequences of a President McCain.

It's time to call an end to our mourning. Senator Clinton's supporters are too smart (today's poll notwithstanding) too passionate, and have come too far to turn our country off-course now.
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 06:39 am
rabel22 wrote:
...He is another chicago democratic politician who dosent give a shyt what you think.


Hear hear. But Chicago's crime that is their political machine is about to take a huge hit. They were immediately sued yesterday after the Heller ruling. Expect more to follow. If ever there was an example of mob power run amok, Chicago is it. The mob just tooks its money and moved into politics. And how better to protect your mobster cronies than to disarm the public?

My Dad told me about having to PAY a traffic cop to stop traffic so they could walk across the street to the parking lot after a Sox game. Not much has changed. But the time has come.
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 07:01 am
Obama donates to Clinton campaign
CNN wrote:
Sen. Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, each donated $2,300 Thursday to the campaign of his former opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton, which is millions of dollars in debt.

In addition, Obama's national finance chairman, Penny Pritzker, and her husband donated another $2,300 each, said Obama communications director Robert Gibbs. The $2,300 is the maximum individual contribution allowed.

"[Obama] wrote a check himself, as well as his finance chairman, so I got two checks in my pocket for Hillary," said Clinton adviser Terry McAuliffe.

Asked how much the checks were for, he responded, "They maxed out."

Obama communications director Robert Gibbs confirmed the Obamas' donations.

The move comes nearly three weeks after Clinton suspended her campaign and endorsed Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

This week, Obama asked top contributors to help Clinton retire her campaign debt of $22 million, about $12 million of which she loaned to her own campaign.

The two Democrats met Thursday night in Washington with her top fundraisers.


source

Sen. Barack Obama will make his first campaign appearance with Sen. Hillary Clinton [today].

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cjhsa
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 07:10 am
Where does B. Hussein Obama get all that money?
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 07:17 am
cjhsa wrote:
Where does B. Hussein Obama get all that money?
Rolling Eyes All what money? The couple grand?
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 07:26 am
cjhsa wrote:
Where does B. Hussein Obama get all that money?
he sold his Desert Eagle 44 mag. He now only carries american firepower.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 07:52 am
dyslexia wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Where does B. Hussein Obama get all that money?
he sold his Desert Eagle 44 mag. He now only carries american firepower.
Question

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/desert_eagle/de_357_2.jpg

Perhaps you meant the Israeli "Barak"?
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/barak/barak.GIF
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 27 Jun, 2008 11:55 am
State of the race, as of today's polling.

Electoral College: Obama 293, McCain 168, Toss-up 77
National popular vote: Obama 47.2%-42.5% McCain

http://www.openleft.com/upload/Obama%20vs.%20McCain627.GIF

(Dark Blue (179): Obama +9.5% or more
Lean Blue (114): Obama +3.5%-+9.4%
White / Toss-up (77): Obama +3.4% to McCain +3.4%
Lean Red (84): McCain +3.5%-+9.4%
Dark Red (84): McCain +9.5% or more)

...

Not too bad. Obama is farther ahead at this point then Kerry or Bush were EVER ahead of one another during the last election, and I'm pretty sure that he's farther ahead then any lead in the Bush-Gore 2000 election too.

Long way to go, but it doesn't suck to be in the lead...

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Fri 27 Jun, 2008 12:16 pm
The higher he climbs the harder he falls...
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 12:37 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
The higher he climbs the harder he falls...


Is that what happened to Bush?
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 12:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
The higher he climbs the harder he falls...


Is that what happened to Bush?


No. He won both times.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 27 Jun, 2008 12:49 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
The higher he climbs the harder he falls...


Is that what happened to Bush?


No. He won both times.


But he fell from grace; haven't you been following the polls on Bush? The lowest of any president.
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