snood
 
  1  
Fri 27 Oct, 2006 02:24 pm
...and after they share it equally, maybe they can spare a modicum for the charisma-deficient right.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 28 Oct, 2006 06:17 am
sozobe wrote:
Remember when I was composing the letter to personally convince him? Laughing
And here I thought you didÂ… and it worked. Confused So much attention now, you probably won't get the credit you deserve for being among the vanguard. Though I must say: I'll be surprised, not at all, if your campaigning efforts get you invited to a Presidential dinner or two. :wink:

Ps. I agree Blatham's article was pretty spot on (save the Hillary could beat anyone but McCain nonsense). The normal flags about Obama's positions, that would send me running in the other direction were it any other candidate, just don't seem to apply with him. Perhaps it is just charisma... but the man comes off as honest and real... and I've always thought I would prefer an honest man whose politics I disagree with, than a politician who spoke my thoughts. I have been a fool for lesser things.
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nimh
 
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Sat 28 Oct, 2006 07:56 am
Ticomaya wrote:
"Sen. Obama has more than his fair share of charisma, while so many senate Democrats go without. It's not right for so much charm and personality to be in the hands of so few."

Uhm, and name more than two Republicans that have charisma, charm and personality? Let alone from among those in the Senate?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 02:25 am
Well, the UK now really discovers Obama:

in today's The Observer

http://i14.tinypic.com/2a8l45y.jpg

Online report: Barack Obama: New kid on the political block
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Swimpy
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 05:28 am
I just hope he survives the meat grinder of the next two years.
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snood
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 05:40 am
That will tell a lot about his resiliency and resourcefulness, and about the realistic degree of the country's readiness to accept a liberal black man into their collective psyche as potential president.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 05:49 am
As an aside to Obama: Chicago-born African-American Deval Patrick, who led the Justice Department's civil rights division during the Clinton administration, is running 25 points ahead of his Republican opponent, Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, according to a Boston Globe/WBZ Poll released Friday.
Deval Patrick rose from poverty, bids to be state's 1st black governor

Back to Obama:

Quote:
A rising star from Illinois makes some noise in L.A.
Sen. Barack Obama addresses a rapt crowd at an African American museum and attends a Democratic rally at USC.
Full report (LA Times via Chicago Tribune)
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snood
 
  1  
Sun 29 Oct, 2006 05:58 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
As an aside to Obama: Chicago-born African-American Deval Patrick, who led the Justice Department's civil rights division during the Clinton administration, is running 25 points ahead of his Republican opponent, Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, according to a Boston Globe/WBZ Poll released Friday.
Deval Patrick rose from poverty, bids to be state's 1st black governor

Back to Obama:

Quote:
A rising star from Illinois makes some noise in L.A.
Sen. Barack Obama addresses a rapt crowd at an African American museum and attends a Democratic rally at USC.
Full report (LA Times via Chicago Tribune)



Deval Patrick:

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/chronicle/v5/A10/patrick.gif
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 07:31 am
Cartoon from the Tribune again, section 2, pages 4 - 5

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/2110/zwischenablage01dp1.th.jpg
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nimh
 
  1  
Sun 29 Oct, 2006 08:35 am
That was funny <grins>
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 29 Oct, 2006 08:43 am
nimh wrote:
That was funny <grins>


Though, it really might be the best and only alternative ... for some, in Chicago, Cook County, and Illinois. :wink:

(Honestly, many wouldn't get a change here to be nominated, even not on smallest local party basis.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2006 07:08 am
From today's Chicago Tribune, page 18

http://i13.tinypic.com/2zz24g2.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2006 07:14 am
And on the following page, a comment by Krauthammer:
Obama could win by losing in 2008

Quote:
WASHINGTON -- When just a week ago Barack Obama showed a bit of ankle and declared the mere possibility of his running for the presidency, the chattering classes swooned. Now that every columnist in the country has given him advice, here's mine: He should run in '08. He will lose in '08. And the loss will put him irrevocably on a path to the presidency.

Obama's political challenge is to turn his current fame and sizzle, which will undoubtedly dissipate, into something concrete. In physics, it's the problem of converting kinetic energy into potential energy: Use the rocket fuel behind his current popularity to propel him to a higher national plane from which he eventually would move almost laterally to the presidency.
The reasons for running are clear.

First, at a time of ideological weariness, he has the persona: an affecting personal history, fine intelligence, remarkable articulateness and refreshing charm.

Second, this is a uniquely open race. Not since 1952 has there been a presidential election with no incumbent president or vice president running. There is no serious challenger to Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. The Democrats' quadrennial great white hope--the young attractive Southern governor in the mode of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton--was going to be Mark Warner, former governor of Virginia. Warner has bowed out.

Third, the country hungers for a black president. Not all the country, but enough that, on balance, race would be an asset. It is no accident that when, a decade ago, another attractive, articulate African-American with no experience in electoral office went on a book tour, he was met not just with rock star adulation but a loud national chorus urging him to run for president.

The object of affection then was Colin Powell. Today it is Obama. Race is only one element in their popularity, but an important one. A historic one. Like many Americans, I long to see an African-American ascend to the presidency. It would be an event of profound significance, a great milestone in the unfolding story of African-Americans achieving their rightful, long-delayed place in American life.

Of course there is racism in America. Call me naive, but I believe that just as Joe Lieberman was a net positive for the Democrats in 2000--more people were attracted to him as a man of faith than were turned away because of anti-Semitism--there are more Americans who would take special pride in a black president than there are those who would reject one because of racism.

These are strong reasons for Obama to run. Nonetheless, he will not win. The reason is Sept. 11. The country simply will not elect a novice in wartime.

During our last great war, the Cold War, no foreign policy novice won the presidency, except for Carter in the anomalous post-Watergate election of 1976. The only other foreign policy novices elected in the last half-century--Bill Clinton and George W. Bush--won the presidency during our holiday from history between the fall of the Soviet Union and Sept. 11.

In any circumstance, it is fairly audacious for any freshman senator to even think of the presidency. When freshman Sen. John F. Kennedy began his preparation for 1956, he was really seeking the vice presidency. And, unlike Obama, he had already served three terms in the House, which in turn had followed a celebrated military tour in the Pacific in World War II.

In 1956 Kennedy was preparing for a serious presidential run in 1960. Obama should be thinking ahead as well--using '08 to cure his problem of inexperience. Run for the Democratic nomination and lose. He only has to do reasonably well to become such a compelling national figure as to be invited onto the ticket as vice presidential nominee. If John Edwards, the runner-up in '04, did well enough to be made running mate, a moderately successful Obama would be the natural choice for '08.

Then, if the Democrats win, he will have all the foreign policy credentials he needs for life. Even if the ticket loses, assuming he acquits himself reasonably well, he immediately becomes the presumptive front-runner in the next presidential cycle. And if by some miracle he hits the lottery and wins in '08, well, then it is win-win-win.

He's a young man with a future. But the future recedes. He needs to run now. And lose. And win by losing.
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nimh
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2006 07:51 am
Not to want to throw a bucket of cold water over all of the enthusiasm, but there is finally a poll out that includes Obama:

McCain Would Defeat Clinton, Obama in 2008

Quote:
Polling Data

Thinking ahead to the next presidential election, if the 2008 general election were held today and the candidates were the following, for whom would you vote?

John McCain (R) 45% - 39% Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
John McCain (R) 41% - 38% Barack Obama (D)

Source: Opinion Dynamics / Fox News
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 900 American likely voters, conducted on Oct. 24 and Oct. 25, 2006. Margin of error is 3 per cent.
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JPB
 
  1  
Mon 30 Oct, 2006 07:58 am
margin of error is 3% which puts McCain and Obama as no significant difference. Pretty good at this point.
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JPB
 
  1  
Mon 30 Oct, 2006 08:00 am
Also of interest is the swing in the number of undecideds when comparing McCain vs Hillary (16%) and Obama (21%)
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Thomas
 
  1  
Mon 30 Oct, 2006 08:22 am
Even though McCain is still more popular than him, Obama has come a long way since half a year ago, when most pollsters didn't even bother asking about him and the 2008 race.
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sozobe
 
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Mon 30 Oct, 2006 09:10 am
I was looking forward to that, finally having Obama on these polls.

Yeah, aside from the margin of error (good point) I find the 3% difference between McCain and Obama vs. 6% difference between McCain and Clinton encouraging, itself. (Though I guess it's also subject to the margin of error.)
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JPB
 
  1  
Mon 30 Oct, 2006 09:16 am
Sure it is, which is where the % of undecideds comes in. 45% state they would support McCain over Clinton, but only 41% say the same about Obama. This means that even at this early stage Hillary is carrying negative vote baggage that supports McCain.

There are always a certain percentage of voters that will support a given party 'no matter what'. The percentage that are undecided and how that number changes when comparing the candidate from one party to a number of choices from the other party is very telling. This says that 80% of the swing in undecided voters in the two comparisons reflects voting against Hillary.


To be honest, if I were one of those surveyed I would have fit perfectly in these numbers - picking McCain over Hillary and undecided vs Obama.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:55 pm
I've considered Obama a stronger contender than Hillary since Soz started the thread... but frankly I am stunned at how fast he's closed the gap. Being two years out, I think his progress is amazing. Obama fans should be very excited.
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