Obama '08?

snood wrote:

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I have been called a McCain supporter and conservative by people who should know better after 5 years..... simply because I don't like Obama as a candidate.

I've been crying over you,
Crying over you and you said "so long"
Left me standing all alone,
Alone and crying, crying, crying, crying

once again... the expected response from behind the screen door and once again completely wrong.

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You guys just love this, don't you? Laughing

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As usual, Mame, pithy and to the point. LOL

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Obama can show himself to be just a politician...

But the thing is, he's not "just" a politician. So far he's shown himself to be "the" politician. He's the politician that is kicking everyone else's politician ass. For an unseasoned guy, he sure seems to know the game, and he is way better at it (so far) than every other politician in the race. Or maybe those other candidates are all just that bad. If so, we should all be jumping for joy to finally have someone with some goddammed aptitude and proficiency for the job. You've called Hillary a shark. I say Obama is the shark in these waters. A huge, Hillary-chomping, McCain-stomping (hopefully) shark.

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kickycan wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Obama can show himself to be just a politician...

But the thing is, he's not "just" a politician. So far he's shown himself to be "the" politician. He's the politician that is kicking everyone else's politician ass. For an unseasoned guy, he sure seems to know the game, and he is way better at it (so far) than every other politician in the race. Or maybe those other candidates are all just that bad. If so, we should all be jumping for joy to finally have someone with some goddammed aptitude and proficiency for the job. You've called Hillary a shark. I say Obama is the shark in these waters. A huge, Hillary-chomping, McCain-stomping (hopefully) shark.

kicky, You never cease to surprise me with your insights; your conclusions about Obama is spot on! The guy didn't come this far without knowing what the hell he was doing in shark infested waters. The guy is good, and he looks better from that perspective alone. He will be able to deal with national leaders from a superior acumen.

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I think you're wrong... I think many factors have come together at just the right moment to give him the election... but once he's behind that dek and the buck stops with him.... I don't know.

I realize he's smart and savvy and all that.. but I get the impression he's a sprinter.... not a long distance runner.

We'll see for sure because he is surely going to win the election.

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PS If I am wrong I'll be happy to admit it... be happy to eat crow.... and be happy for the country.

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BPB, A sprinter who wins the election knows how to run a good race too! He knows where that finish line is, and as you say, he's gonna win in November.

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granted ci but his arrival in office will be the beginning of a long race, not the end of a short one. The finish line is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY down the track.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

granted ci but his arrival in office will be the beginning of a long race, not the end of a short one. The finish line is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY down the track.

Barrack has been aggressively upward mobile for ten years, that's a long sprint.

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granted.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

granted ci but his arrival in office will be the beginning of a long race, not the end of a short one. The finish line is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY down the track.

That's one of the 64-million dollar question; how will Obama really perform in office? It might also depend on how many more democrats are elected into congress. If that's the issue, many of the contests in November seems to favor democrats over the republicans. We'll just have to wait and see.

He still won't get carte blanche, but any improvement over the past seven years will be appreciated by most - not only in the US, but by many of our allies.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

That's one of the 64-million dollar question; how will Obama really perform in office? .

His habbit of surrounding himself with smart people and people with power is a good sign that he will be able to navigate the duties of the office. The quesions are can he cut off debate and make a call, and once made can he stick with it or is he going to be a Carter and rethink everything every day? I don't think that we have enough information to know.

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yup and yup.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
That's one of the 64-million dollar question; how will Obama really perform in office? .

His habbit of surrounding himself with smart people and people with power is a good sign that he will be able to navigate the duties of the office. The quesions are can he cut off debate and make a call, and once made can he stick with it or is he going to be a Carter and rethink everything every day? I don't think that we have enough information to know.

From what we now know about Obama, he's not only a quick-study, but above average in intelligence as well. That's about a whole volume worth of plusses for Obama over Bush.

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I think he's smart enough to surround himself with those who fill in the blanks and can deliver, hence his kick-ass campaign. It's smart business 101. The difference is being on the side of good or evil.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
That's one of the 64-million dollar question; how will Obama really perform in office? .

His habbit of surrounding himself with smart people and people with power is a good sign that he will be able to navigate the duties of the office. The quesions are can he cut off debate and make a call, and once made can he stick with it or is he going to be a Carter and rethink everything every day? I don't think that we have enough information to know.

His current reluctance to put himself in any position that will reveal how much he does not know does not inspire confidence in those who are not Obamamaniacs however. I would hesitate to vote for anybody--no matter WHAT party--if that person had to have a script in order to make himself look knowledgable and/or intelligent. Even George W. Bush, as much as he stumbles over words and says stuff awkwardly, worked pretty well without a net on subjects that he knew. McCain has his gaffes and misspeaks now and then, but he generally accommodates himself pretty well when he is asked extemporaneous questions.

Obama simply doesn't--he stutters and stammers and makes too many mistakes and finds himself back pedaling way too often. This is why his handlers will never agree to those town hall meetings McCain has proposed because he is likely to not maintain an image of being poised and smart. And I think that is not going to be helpful to him as President. A President does not always have the luxury of a script prepared and practiced in advance.

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Fox, What are you trying to say? Did all great past presidents reveal their plans as president? Also, did the ones who revealed themselves become good presidents? Give us some examples.

"I'm a uniter, not a divider."

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I don't believe I referred to plans at all CI. I was talking about something entirely different than plans. I'm talking about a person who can project himself as somebody competent to be President and why he might avoid situations that would give a different impression than that.

But here is an EXAMPLE of what he sounded like when his ear piece stopped working and his staff couldn't feed him what he should say. Fluke? Or typical? His campaign intends that we never find out.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I don't believe I referred to plans at all CI. I was talking about something entirely different than plans. I'm talking about a person who can project himself as somebody competent to be President and why he might avoid situations that would give a different impression than that.

But here is an EXAMPLE of what he sounded like when his ear piece stopped working and his staff couldn't feed him what he should say. Fluke? Or typical? His campaign intends that we never find out.

Cripes, Foxy!

McCain, the master of the townhall, has made his share of gaffes. And they're not always just along the lines of getting a word wrong and make him the butt of jokes. Several times, those "gaffes" have been enough to raise eyebrows: did he really mean that America went to war because of oil? Does he really have no clue about the Iran-al Qaeda relationship? Did he really just say that having troops in Iraq for 100 years would be a-okay?

And, of course, the dementis always come in as soon as those gaffes are pointed out to his campaign: no, he didn't mean that the invasion of Iraq was about oil - he was talking about the first Gulf War. Iran training al Qaeda? No, they're training extremists. And the whole kerfuffle about 100 years of war? Ah, no, he never meant that. What he meant to say was that he wants to keep troops in Iraq as long as it takes to win the war - and once Iraq has become a peaceful democracy, like Germany or Japan or South Korea, nobody would object to having troops there, right?

Now, using your reasoning: is that a person that is projecting himself as somebody competent to be President? Is he really as brilliant in a townhall setting as the right claims he is? What about all his gaffes? Flukes? Or typical?

Well, according to his campaign, what he's saying is just constantly misinterpreted. Okay.

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