ebrown p
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 10:24 am
Okie, I got two pieces of homework for you....

First, go to that hardware store and ask them what they do with the IDs they receive (hint: they don't use it record the information).

Second, find out how this profiling works. Has it stopped graffiti?
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Foxfyre
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 10:27 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
okie wrote:
I thought he quit? He tried at least once.

Besides, H2OMan, there you go stereotyping again. Profiling! That is not politically correct.


Yes - Obama fits a profile - he's weak.

The whole PC thing has caused the pussyfication of out country.


Tobacco addiction is not a 'weakness'. It is an addiction, and one that is damn hard to break. I know since I probably quit 30 times before it actually stuck--non smoker now for going on 18 years, but I know that one cigarette could have me chain smoking again. And, without a good support system, stress can wear down the strongest person's defenses and I can't imagine many things more stressful than a Presidential campaign.

I can forgive Obama for falling off the tobacco wagon. If he is still smoking, however, it will make his life more uncomfortable when he is unable to smoke for prolonged periods.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 10:31 am
Yes, the way this campaign is "regressing," it'll be about stained teeth; we can't have that in our president.
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H2O MAN
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:16 am
Foxfyre wrote:


Tobacco addiction is not a 'weakness'. It is an addiction, and one that is damn hard to break.


If he's is too weak to break the addiction, he is too weak to be CIC.
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okie
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:22 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Okie, I got two pieces of homework for you....

First, go to that hardware store and ask them what they do with the IDs they receive (hint: they don't use it record the information).

Second, find out how this profiling works. Has it stopped graffiti?


It could if the lawyers probably haven't placed so many roadblocks in the way. Lawyers and bleeding heart liberals have tied the hands of the law in many different ways, that I know, but as far as doing your research for you, I am not interested. I imagine the mere fact of having the flier in the store may be a deterrent. What they can actually do with the information, they probably wouldn't even tell me even if I asked, and if I asked you, you would charge me $250 per hour to tell me, if you are a lawyer, or ripoff artist. I am not interested.

By the way, graffiti may seem to be a fairly innocent crime, but it causes millions in destruction, and is a violation of property ownership and rights. It has gone beyond the casual and occasional incident by a dumb teenager to organized efforts by gangs and criminals to mark out their territory and so forth.
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okie
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:25 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:


Tobacco addiction is not a 'weakness'. It is an addiction, and one that is damn hard to break.


If he's is too weak to break the addiction, he is too weak to be CIC.


You could be wrong, because there are other examples of CIC that smoke. Example, Fidel Castro smoked cigars all of his life didn't he?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:26 am
okie wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
Okie, I got two pieces of homework for you....

First, go to that hardware store and ask them what they do with the IDs they receive (hint: they don't use it record the information).

Second, find out how this profiling works. Has it stopped graffiti?


It could if the lawyers probably haven't placed so many roadblocks in the way. Lawyers and bleeding heart liberals have tied the hands of the law in many different ways, that I know, but as far as doing your research for you, I am not interested. I imagine the mere fact of having the flier in the store may be a deterrent. What they can actually do with the information, they probably wouldn't even tell me even if I asked, and if I asked you, you would charge me $250 per hour to tell me, if you are a lawyer, or ripoff artist. I am not interested.

By the way, graffiti may seem to be a fairly innocent crime, but it causes millions in destruction, and is a violation of property ownership and rights. It has gone beyond the casual and occasional incident by a dumb teenager to organized efforts by gangs and criminals to mark out their territory and so forth.


You didn't actually answer his questions...

To say that it is the 'lawyers' who are somehow getting in the way of stopping vandalism... I mean, is there any argument which you won't answer with a tried and true anti-Liberal trope?

Vandals are typically young and do not have much in the way of what you would call 'legal representation.' Exactly what roadblocks do you think the 'lawyers' for these folks have thrown up?

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:27 am
http://logicophilosophicus.org/cigar_news/images/gangster-churchill.jpg
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okie
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:44 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Vandals are typically young and do not have much in the way of what you would call 'legal representation.' Exactly what roadblocks do you think the 'lawyers' for these folks have thrown up?

Cycloptichorn

Where have you been the last 50 years, cyclops? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 11:47 am
Answer the question, Okie, instead of dodging it.

If you can. See, I don't think you know what you are talking about on this issue.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:13 pm
Obama, Liberalism and the Challenge of Reform
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okie
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:23 pm
Libs and probably Obama, want to just throw more money at the failed educational system, not reform it. No change here except how much more money can be thrown in the direction of the NEA.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:25 pm
You didn't answer the question, Okie

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:28 pm
The "failed educational system" can be credited to Bush with his NCLB mandate without funding it. Over half of Hispanic and black children are dropping out of school, because the teachers are now emphasizing passing the state's standardized tests that proves nothing; it's failing the students who they should helping to educate.

There's also been a disturbing drop in math and science students during the same period; our students rank below most developed countries.

Just because Bush's daddy bought him his sheepskin from Yale and Harvard, not all parents can "afford" to buy their children's diplomas.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:35 pm
If they are teaching the kids to pass the test and they still can't pass it, what does that say about both the teachers and the students? Especially considering the questions being tested. It's not obscure historical facts and ancient literature being tested, it's basic skills. Reading writing and arithmatic.

NCLB is not the problem. It's the solution to the broader problem which no amount of money will solve.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:40 pm
McG wrote: If they are teaching the kids to pass the test and they still can't pass it, what does that say about both the teachers and the students?

Precisely! That's the reason why NCLB is a big failure.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McG wrote: If they are teaching the kids to pass the test and they still can't pass it, what does that say about both the teachers and the students?

Precisely! That's the reason why NCLB is a big failure.


No.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:41 pm
Local school boards should be in charge of their local schools, not the federal government.
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McG wrote: If they are teaching the kids to pass the test and they still can't pass it, what does that say about both the teachers and the students?

Precisely! That's the reason why NCLB is a big failure.


A. They test poorly (and some do)
B. The parents are irresponsible douchebags (say "liberal")
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jun, 2008 12:42 pm
McGentrix wrote:
If they are teaching the kids to pass the test and they still can't pass it, what does that say about both the teachers and the students?


It says the students have lost interest because of the rote and passive curriculum and teachers are not trying to engage them because engagement and curiosity are not on the test.
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