Obama '08?

old europe wrote:

okie wrote:
You just now wake up to that, cyclops? So do you think we need millions of immigrants from Turkey and Pakistan, and if people are flying here from there, do you think they might deserve more scrutiny, or is that demonizing them?

People deserve more scrutiny if they hold unfavorable views of the United States and US policy?

Interesting idea, okie.

You see, oe, people like okie doesn't want freedom of speech or freedom of movement based on his personal, imagined, fear of the unknown. That he has lived in the US for all his life hasn't taught him that the individual is always innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't matter what our Constitution or Bill of Rights guarantees; it's meant only for the few republicans who understand who their enemies are.

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It used to be expected to have immigrants swear allegiance to the U. S. to become citizens, perhaps it still is, and so it would only make sense to try to bring people here that actually like the country, wouldn't it? I am not advocating no immigration from Pakistan, but I am making the obvious observation that a bit more scrutiny might be in order to determine the reasons for coming here, since they come from a country wherein a large portion of the population appears to harbor a dislike for the U.S. and the culture here.

It is you folks that have the airport security making 85 year old grandmas take their shoes off because they are supposedly just as suspicious as a bearded imam from Pakistan, but oh well, that is political correctness for you.

I am all for freedom, but I am also for using common sense.

For people not interested in common sense, debating these points is a hopeless endeavor.

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What if this 85 year old grandmother is from Pakistan? Would you want her to take off her shoes then?

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This just about explains it all. http://www.economist.com/daily/kallery/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11559269

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None of the rest of you have to back up your crappy opinions with facts. Why should I. If I should shut up because of my opinions so should you. I don't try to prove Im the smartest guy on this site like some of the rest of you. I just state my opinion take it or leave it. And I might add that most of the "proofs" you people post are someones opinion who "claims" to be an expert.

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Oh? Show us who claims to be an "expert?"

AAMOF, all of us post our subjective "opinions." There are some people's opinion in public life who's credibility has been built over the years, and others have lost their credibility based on unfounded claims of one thing or another - or some unethical behavior. We subjectively evaluate those in public life by "what, when and where." Some issues like "WMDs in Iraq" to justify the war has been long ago discredited, but some still trust Bush and his minions to tell the truth. After five years of "progress," we're still not sure what "win" means in Iraq, because that's never been articulated by Bush or his puppets.

Generally speaking, the people of this world do not trust Bush. The majority in this country feels "we are headed in the wrong direction" on many fronts including Iraq and our economy.

You can try to "sell" your spiel like the rest of us, but don't try to put me in the same league as "Obamaites." Don't make statements you can't back up; that's not too much to ask, I'm sure.

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ebrown_p wrote:

What if this 85 year old grandmother is from Pakistan? Would you want her to take off her shoes then?

Classic, ebrown.

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You can see the obvious lack of common sense in anyone who intends to vote for Obama. It oozes like puss from a wound.

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Couple of thoughts...

I watched some of McCain's town hall meeting yesterday, between Tornado Warning interruptions, and he looked good. It was 180 degrees from that awful performance he gave last week when Obama wrapped it up. This guy is the opposite of Bush in that respect. (Great on his feet, terrible with a prompter.) He returned to the cautious man who'd rather delay his response than get it wrong... and looked comfortable and competent in delivery. Unless I missed an error; I'd give him an A Grade for the performance. Obama had best not take him lightly and stroll into one of these things expecting a slam-dunk.

On the other hand, despite a good delivery, I don't think he'll be able to convince Americans that the Iraq policy is working beautifully (regardless of the facts on the ground). This should be Obama's big gun.

I don't know, but suspect, abortion would be a good place to stand him up in debate. I don't believe McCain really believes in his new position on it, so I suspect he'll fumble the ball there. This issue more than any other, IMO, is where McCain will have to choose between attracting Independents and securing the Religious Right. Tough to see how he could do both.

Odd that he isn't calling for drilling at home, because here he could show an actual way to reduce our dependency on foreign oil in a relatively short period of time.

Just a thought: If the hyper-partisan A-holes from each side decide to focus the hammer on Michelle and Cindy, rather than things that matter; I could see Barack and John respond by filming a joint denunciation spot of that BS... not unlike Sharpton and Robertson cooperated here. That would be cool. While I don't consider either of these guys above profiting from 527 nonsense; I do think they are both head and shoulders above the candidates in recent history in that regard.

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I was in the hardware store last night and bought a can of spray paint. While the clerk was ringing up the items, I noticed a note taped to the checkout counter stating that due to recent tagging incidents by vandals, spray paint purchases would require a presentation of ID. When I made this observation, the young clerk, with a smile on her face, said that I didn't look like a tagger. If they did this to every old guy coming through the store, it would probably be regarded as a bit over the top by traditional customers, that was my thought not hers. Our casual conversation indicated they may know who the people are that are doing it, and I gathered it might be teenagers with baggy clothes, not exactly a profile that I fit.

I hope the libs don't find out profiling is being done by my local hardware store, or we will soon see a boat load of lawyers showing up here to pad their bank accounts and to prove they are compassionate. And good thing some people in fly over country still have some common sense, even if it is in short supply in Washington, and here on this forum amongst certain posters.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

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Odd that he isn't calling for drilling at home, because here he could show an actual way to reduce our dependency on foreign oil in a relatively short period of time.
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True, and wonder if he will change his mind in the next 2 or 3 months and finally come to his senses, after all the constituents would actually think he was doing the right thing. He can then claim that he is better than Bush because he is capable of changing his mind, not hard headed like Bush. He can both be right and he could still criticize Bush if he framed his change of heart in that way, so it seems that he would think that to be an attractive way to go on this thorny energy issue. He could accomplish two things that he surely would like, he could be right and he can criticize Bush. Somebody should tell him.

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okie wrote:

I was in the hardware store last night and bought a can of spray paint. While the clerk was ringing up the items, I noticed a note taped to the checkout counter stating that due to recent tagging incidents by vandals, spray paint purchases would require a presentation of ID. When I made this observation, the young clerk, with a smile on her face, said that I didn't look like a tagger. If they did this to every old guy coming through the store, it would probably be regarded as a bit over the top by traditional customers, that was my thought not hers. Our casual conversation indicated they may know who the people are that are doing it, and I gathered it might be teenagers with baggy clothes, not exactly a profile that I fit.

I hope the libs don't find out profiling is being done by my local hardware store, or we will soon see a boat load of lawyers showing up here to pad their bank accounts and to prove they are compassionate. And good thing some people in fly over country still have some common sense, even if it is in short supply in Washington, and here on this forum amongst certain posters.

One very important point I would like to say here to the libs, that my experience illustrates beautifully. If a teenager with baggy clothes buys paint, the store is not assuming they are guilty, they are only assuming the person might have a somewhat higher liklihood of being guilty, although still small, however it is worth their time to checkt the identity of the purchaser. That was my entire point in regard to security and immigration from countries that have a much higher incidence of terrorist connections and dislike of the United States. Guilt is not assumed, however, it is sensible to conduct more scrutiny of those people, and as a result we make our security and immigration more efficient and more secure. I realize the lawyers have inhibited common sense in this country, but that doesn't stop me from pointing out what common sense would do.

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Okie, this is way off-topic... but I find it amusing (and I have trouble resisting this kind of foolishness).

So you are talking about an example of profiling... you seem to be saying that they won't sell spray paint to people with baggy clothes.

Have you tried buying spray paint while wearing baggy clothes? Did they ask for an ID then?

If baggy clothes are the problem, why do they say they will ask for an ID? Do they need an ID to tell if you are wearing baggy clothes or not?

This is the stupidest example of profiling I have ever heard.

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Baggy pants = security; someone has gone bonkers.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Okie, this is way off-topic... but I find it amusing (and I have trouble resisting this kind of foolishness).

So you are talking about an example of profiling... you seem to be saying that they won't sell spray paint to people with baggy clothes.

Have you tried buying spray paint while wearing baggy clothes? Did they ask for an ID then?

If baggy clothes are the problem, why do they say they will ask for an ID? Do they need an ID to tell if you are wearing baggy clothes or not?

This is the stupidest example of profiling I have ever heard.

I find it amusing too, ebrown, but then again lots of things to do with the law and lawyers are amusing, aren't they?

I am guessing that they will sell the spray paint, but they will keep the identity of the people making the purchase on file. And if multiple purchases are made, that will also be in their system. In so doing, they can have a record of the amount, colors, and make of spray paint purchased by various people, just in case the police might be interested. Just a guess.

Also to explain it better to you so that you might grasp the concept, an ID is not required to tell if you are wearing baggy clothes, but wearing baggy clothes and if you are of a certain age group of suspicion, it might be worth getting the ID so that the store knows who bought the paint. If you haven't thought of this yet, ebrown, it is quite possible that the police may have given the store information indicating that someone may have been seen in the area of tagging wearing baggy clothes, and who were also a certain age group. Because of this, police work generally makes correlations. You may want to read about how the police evaluates evidence, ebrown, and this might give you more understanding about how this might work.

Laughing

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Obama is a loser
Obama smokes cigarettes ~
That fact alone is enough to keep him out of the white house.

If he is not strong enough to quit smoking he is not strong enough to be this countries commander in chief.

The man is a loser - the man is a fake.

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I thought he quit? He tried at least once.

Besides, H2OMan, there you go stereotyping again. Profiling! That is not politically correct.

Maybe he should take up smoking cigars?
Or maybe a pipe? Don't intellectuals do that?

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hahaha yeah. It's gonna be about cigarettes. Or it'll all boil down to teeth.

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okie wrote:

I thought he quit? He tried at least once.

Besides, H2OMan, there you go stereotyping again. Profiling! That is not politically correct.

Yes - Obama fits a profile - he's weak.

The whole PC thing has caused the pussyfication of out country.

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