Diest TKO wrote:Butrflynet wrote:By the way, to those of you who think it is outrageous that he's mixing religion and politics in that flyer, what are your thoughts about the mixing of religion and politics in the many "Obama is a Muslim, Obama follows Islam" stories that have been circulating in the press, emails and blogs during the last year and a half?
Why aren't you just as outraged about that? What's the difference in his pointing to his avowed Christianity and someone else pointing to him as a suspected Muslim/Islamist for political expediency?
They are outraged. silent outrage.
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yeah, the silent majority
nimh wrote:
I've been thinking about this scene ever since the first "where is his flag pin?"
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snood wrote:Diest TKO wrote:Butrflynet wrote:By the way, to those of you who think it is outrageous that he's mixing religion and politics in that flyer, what are your thoughts about the mixing of religion and politics in the many "Obama is a Muslim, Obama follows Islam" stories that have been circulating in the press, emails and blogs during the last year and a half?
Why aren't you just as outraged about that? What's the difference in his pointing to his avowed Christianity and someone else pointing to him as a suspected Muslim/Islamist for political expediency?
They are outraged. silent outrage.
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yeah, the silent majority
For me the difference is that with the flyer, its the CANDIDATE him/herself RESPONSIBLE for the message.
For the other issues, its the "uneducated bumpkins " who are responsible. We tear them down constantly, in this thread when they call BHO a muslim, and ALL OVER the religion thread when they do stupid **** like build a creation museum.
Just a little, yet distinct, difference that is key.
But Snood, Diest, and yourself can ignore it and continue to defend this guys every move. It should be a fun 4/8 years.
You don't think Obama clings to his religion do you?
Seriously though, why is it inappropriate for him to declare his christian faith in a campaign pamphlet?
I suppose an argument can be made that this sort of effusive expression of his christianity is a bit hypocritical, but not a strong one.
Unless one seriously questions the veracity of his claim to being christian, why shouldn't he let voters know about this aspect of his life?
It seems reasonable, to me, for voters to weigh a presidential candidate's religious beliefs in their decision making, and to the extent that they do, they should have some understanding of what those beliefs are.
What is potentially irksome about this practice is the expectation that it will be viewed by many liberals (particularly those in the Media) in an entirely different light than they would employ if the candidate was a Republican.
While I don't consider sozobe to be hypocritical as respects candidates' expression of religious beliefs, I do feel certain that her argument will be seized on by the actual hypocrites who condemn Republican declarations of faith, but need a reason to excuse Obama's: Obama has been forced to make this unseemly pronouncement as a response to the sleazy attempts of the Republican Attack Machine to lead voters to believe he is a muslim.
For the secular elitists who consider religion to be the superstitious crutch of uneducated bumpkins it should be tough to swallow Obama's effusive testimony.
nimh and cyclops, I realize I am wishfully thinking, but there is also truth to the fact that there is a ceiling for Obama, and alot of downside. I also think Obama has already peaked, although the flurry before the general could again see the celebrity status be revived, but in the final analysis, many folks may tend to vote for the devil they know than the one they don't know, hence McCain wins.
