nimh
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 04:01 pm
Lash wrote:
Edwards kills Hill...film at 6:20....He took her out.

Oh, what Soz said - she was already dead. Expired. Off the twig, kicked the bucket, shuffled off her mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible. This is all just after the fact.
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engineer
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 04:02 pm
Clinton defends Obama. Two thoughts here: about time and glad to see it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 04:09 pm
You don't think Obama clings to his religion do you? Cool

Seriously though, why is it inappropriate for him to declare his christian faith in a campaign pamphlet?

I suppose an argument can be made that this sort of effusive expression of his christianity is a bit hypocritical, but not a strong one.

Unless one seriously questions the veracity of his claim to being christian, why shouldn't he let voters know about this aspect of his life?

It seems reasonable, to me, for voters to weigh a presidential candidate's religious beliefs in their decision making, and to the extent that they do, they should have some understanding of what those beliefs are.

What is potentially irksome about this practice is the expectation that it will be viewed by many liberals (particularly those in the Media) in an entirely different light than they would employ if the candidate was a Republican.

While I don't consider sozobe to be hypocritical as respects candidates' expression of religious beliefs, I do feel certain that her argument will be seized on by the actual hypocrites who condemn Republican declarations of faith, but need a reason to excuse Obama's: Obama has been forced to make this unseemly pronouncement as a response to the sleazy attempts of the Republican Attack Machine to lead voters to believe he is a muslim.

For the secular elitists who consider religion to be the superstitious crutch of uneducated bumpkins it should be tough to swallow Obama's effusive testimony.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 04:16 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

For the secular elitists who consider religion to be the superstitious crutch of uneducated bumpkins it should be tough to swallow Obama's effusive testimony.



Yep, like I said, disgusting.

He should be ashamed of himself.
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 04:16 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
For the secular elitists who consider religion to be the superstitious crutch of uneducated bumpkins it should be tough to swallow Obama's effusive testimony.


Sometimes it gets a bit much, yes. I don't think the two belong together in the public's civic arena. Inspite of that, he's still my choice as president. I can overlook that as one of his faults.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 04:24 pm
I'm afraid I don't see the significance of the Edwards endorsement.

Surely no one believed Edwards might endorse Clinton, and it's not as if he has been carrying with him a bloc of super-delegate votes which he will now throw over to Obama.

Frankly, I'm surprised it took him this long.

Richardson seemed late to the game and his endorsement was weeks ago, but like the Edwards endorsement, it came on the heels of an Obama defeat and served to shift the attention of the Media away from that defeat. I suppose this endorsement could do something of the same, but how necessary, and more importantly, how valuable is it? I can't imagine Edwards got much in return; certainly no more than Richardson.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 04:25 pm
Why John Edwards Endorsed Obama Today

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/why-john-edwards-endorsed_b_101787.html


A lot is being said right now to the effect of, "What took him so long?" Some people are criticizing John Edwards for not endorsing sooner. I happen to think that today is the perfect day for Edwards to endorse, not so much because we were trounced in West Virginia yesterday, but because of the current state of the race and because of past statements made by John Edwards and his top advisers.

John Edwards said that he would not make an endorsement until the race was over -- until the nominee was determined. Then, today, after Obama received a trouncing in West Virginia, he announces his endorsement.
Some have questioned this, asking why he is going back on his word and endorsing before the race is over. I don't think he is going back on his word at all. He is sending a message, and that message is, "The race is over."

John Edwards is saying, let's circle the wagons. Obama is our guy. The people have spoken. The race for Democratic presidential nominee is over.

Yesterday, I wrote a Daily Kos diary about an article that Joe Trippi wrote in Campaigns and Elections Magazine. He expressed regret that he had advised Edwards to follow his heart when asked for advice of whether to withdraw from the presidential race. He said he wished he had told him to stay in the race. But, he added (and this is important):

"The senator questioned why he'd be remaining in the race. Would he be grinding out delegates only to be in a position to cut a deal at the convention for his own gain? That wasn't why he had gotten into the race for president. He had entered it to push causes like ending poverty, championing health care for every American and fighting for working people, and it just wasn't him to turn it into a selfish quest. I really respect that, and it helps explain why I so fervently wanted John Edwards to become president. The man cared deeply about those causes, and he did not want to see them tarnished because of a string of embarrassing losses."

Trippi would not have written such an article without running it by Edwards first. They are reportedly close friends, and insiders say that Trippi is extremely loyal to Edwards. This seems to be a concerted message, "When it is clear you cannot win, staying in the race is for personal gain."

Trippi's admission that he wishes he had advised Edwards to stay in the race could be taken as a nod to Hillary Clinton that it's ok to stay in the race, but I don't think so. I think it was simply meant to soften the blow of these specific words:

"Would he be grinding out delegates only to be in a position to cut a deal at the convention for his own gain?"

Of course, Trippi will be on the media circuit over the next few days, answering questions about Edwards, and I'm sure this will come up. We'll see how it plays out, but I'm betting that he'll be asked about these words. I'm betting that he'll say over and over that Edwards exited the race for the good of the country -- this will be a hint to Clinton.
Of course, this also takes the wind out of Clinton's sails from her win yesterday.

Yes, the timing is perfect.
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 04:30 pm
By the way, to those of you who think it is outrageous that he's mixing religion and politics in that flyer, what are your thoughts about the mixing of religion and politics in the many "Obama is a Muslim, Obama follows Islam" stories that have been circulating in the press, emails and blogs during the last year and a half?

Why aren't you just as outraged about that? What's the difference in his pointing to his avowed Christianity and someone else pointing to him as a suspected Muslim/Islamist for political expediency?
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 05:01 pm
http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=9492
Obama Endorsed by Crow Nation, Ft. Peck Tribes


HELENA MT
5/13/2008

The Obama campaign announced today the endorsements of the Crow Nation and the Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes of the Ft. Peck Reservation. Tribal leaders cited Sen. Obama's commitment to Indian Country and to the issues facing its residents.

"Sen. Obama's leadership qualities and commitment to issues of importance to Indian country distinguish him from his opponents" said Chairman A.T. Stafne of the Ft. Peck Tribes. "Our twelve voting members in the Tribal Council passed this endorsement resolution unanimously. I was personally impressed with his commitment to a true government-to-government relationship and his promise to appoint a Native American policy advisor in his White House. "

"Senator Obama understands the challenges facing Native Americans in Montana," said Crow Nation Chairman Carl Venne. "His record as a US Senator shows that he cares about Indian communities. He respects Indian sovereignty and is a strong advocate for Indian healthcare and education."

To find out more about Senator Obama's positions on Native American issues, go to http://tribes.barackobama.com/page/content/firstamshome.
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 05:05 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/clinton/index.html


Quote:
Clinton: It'd be 'terrible mistake' to pick McCain over Obama

CNN) -- Hillary Clinton on Wednesday reiterated her vow to stay in the Democratic presidential race, but she said it would be a "terrible mistake" for her supporters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama.


Sen. Hillary Clinton vowed to stay in the race, saying she's "not going anywhere."

"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain," Clinton said on CNN's "The Situation Room."

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

Clinton was responding to a question from a CNN iReporter who asked why she thought so many of her supporters would choose McCain over Obama...
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 05:20 pm
Yeah, I appreciated that statement of hers, and also the statement that McCain's Hamas comments shouldn't be taken seriously.

Overall her tone really seemed to be "I've lost, and I know that, but I'm going to stay in to the very end just in case."

Edwards' endorsement was great. The talking heads were annoying. Well, Lou Dobbs mostly. Dang. He was all, "that was so strange that Edwards said nice things about Hillary..." No, it's exactly in keeping with Obama's message and with the reason Edwards is endorsing -- party unity. Get everyone together around the nominee, start focusing on the general election.

Then Dobbs was going on and on about a brokered convention, not Democratic... what? Schneider sort of put him in his place, explaining that before the change of rules basically EVERYONE was a superdelegate, that the change gave the voters more power, but both Schneider and Toobin (who I usually like) were too placid in the face of Dobb's weirdness, IMO.

Anyway. That's off-topic.

Obama's intro was good, Edwards' endorsement was good, and what I saw of Obama's speech after the endorsement was good.

Whew!
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 05:46 pm
Not sure whether or not Edward's 18 delegates will be allocated to Obama but if so and with more SDs sure to follow, Obama is getting very close to 2025.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 05:56 pm
Evidently it's not automatic -- Edwards can urge them to go for Obama, but it's still their decision. CNN said they'd be calling each one and asking what they plan to do.
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nimh
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 06:08 pm
Obama and the (Sometimes) Missing Flagpin -- A Final Take

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7LZrVPFE9XA/default.jpg

>click<
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Foxfyre
 
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Wed 14 May, 2008 06:18 pm
The Ticket?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2217/2493592510_2a92375f8b_m.jpg

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//Obama_2008.sff_MIJH121_20080514185219.jpg

Quote:
At a rally in Grand Rapids, Mich., on Wednesday evening, John Edwards endorsed Barack Obama, who was on the stage with him, to be the Democratic nominee for president.

Sounding a theme of a nation divided into parts by walls, Mr. Edwards said, "The reason I am here tonight is that Democratic voters in America have made their choice and so have I."

Mr. Edwards then went on to say, "There is one man who knows in his heart that it is time to tear down that wall and make one America, Barack Obama."

Mr. Obama, who had introduced Mr. Edwards as "one of the great leaders we have in the Democratic Party, " responded by saying he was grateful to him for coming to Michigan and giving his endorsement.

Mr. Obama also noted how Mr. Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, had emphasized health care as an issue that is of primary concern, then said it would be a major issue in his administration.

The endorsement comes at a time when the appeal of Mr. Obama appears to be lagging among white, blue-collar voters, a group to which Mr. Edwards openly appealed.
MORE FROM NYT. . .
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 10:00 pm
Uhhhh, but Edwards can't carry his own state.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 10:13 pm
okie wrote:
Uhhhh, but Edwards can't carry his own state.


But at least he has some experience running as vice president. Smile
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Thu 15 May, 2008 12:26 am
nimh wrote:
Obama and the (Sometimes) Missing Flagpin -- A Final Take

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7LZrVPFE9XA/default.jpg

>click<

I've been thinking about this scene ever since the first "where is his flag pin?"

T
K
O
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Diest TKO
 
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Thu 15 May, 2008 12:29 am
Butrflynet wrote:
By the way, to those of you who think it is outrageous that he's mixing religion and politics in that flyer, what are your thoughts about the mixing of religion and politics in the many "Obama is a Muslim, Obama follows Islam" stories that have been circulating in the press, emails and blogs during the last year and a half?

Why aren't you just as outraged about that? What's the difference in his pointing to his avowed Christianity and someone else pointing to him as a suspected Muslim/Islamist for political expediency?


They are outraged. silent outrage. Laughing
K
O
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snood
 
  1  
Thu 15 May, 2008 01:30 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
By the way, to those of you who think it is outrageous that he's mixing religion and politics in that flyer, what are your thoughts about the mixing of religion and politics in the many "Obama is a Muslim, Obama follows Islam" stories that have been circulating in the press, emails and blogs during the last year and a half?

Why aren't you just as outraged about that? What's the difference in his pointing to his avowed Christianity and someone else pointing to him as a suspected Muslim/Islamist for political expediency?


They are outraged. silent outrage. Laughing
K
O


yeah, the silent majority Very Happy
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