Diest TKO
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 08:01 am
Foxfyre wrote:
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/wright0515color-.jpg

Well, I find it funny. Laughing

T
K
Okay for it to be just funny.
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revel
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 08:06 am
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B43d39a99-d30e-4a1f-bd2d-77a9ae2e2b78%7D.gif

You can get the same cartoon here without having to go to townhall. http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/thumbnail/%7B57905b27-1936-4d86-8141-cde4be6eb81c%7D.gif
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 08:35 am
FreeDuck wrote:
So Hillary wins W. VA (big surprise) but what I want to know is how many people voted for John Edwards.


26,000, evidently.

Quote:
And if you were wondering if all this "presumptive nominee" talk was going to effect turnout, then take a look at the total vote in West Virginia. It's going to be just north of 350,000 -- approximately 100,000 to 150,000 less than was anticipated by some. It was still a good turnout, but it did seem to be on the downside of the turnout hill and that some of the enthusiasm was missing. This actually hurts Clinton a bit in her bid to winnow down Obama's popular vote lead. The campaign was hoping a 40-point victory would net them close to 200,000 in the popular vote. But thanks to lower turnout and John Edwards nabbing 26,000 votes, the net will be just less than 150,000. Still impressive, but less than anticipated.


First Read
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 11:26 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Commonly held? This theory that minorities can't be racist is now "common?" You're out of touch okie.

T
K
O

I don't know about prevalent or dominant, but I believe it has been common, at least in some important political circles. I will post the following link, which more or less explains the theory behind it. In short, the belief that reverse racism cannot exist is because according to the theory for racism to have an impact, it has to be accompanied with power, and without power, it has no influence, hence it isn't racism. Thus any minority can hate, call names, and attempt to harm members of the majority, but it isn't racism because as the theory goes they have no majority power to exercise their desires.

Contrary to what you might believe, this concept has been around a long time, and expressed by a number of people. I can't find links now, but I have heard a number of people as guests on talk shows express the theory as one they support and believe. I was looking for a link in regard to Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and others believing this, which I think I have heard, but I could not find the links, at least easily.

Actually, the whole idea of affirmative action is based on the belief that special treatment is not racial when practiced to further a minority, even if discrimination against a member of the majority is required to do it. Affirmative action would not involve the full meaning of the theory, but it does incorporate an element of it, and even you would have to admit that this practice is not only commonly believed as valid, but it has been government policy.

I don't know who Tim Wise is, but he explains aspects of the theory in the following link:

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml
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High Seas
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 11:31 am
Foxfyre wrote:
High Seas wrote:
There's no question he's referring to Thomas - but if you believe Hill, it's Thomas himself who came up with this term.

Mind you, Wright is an unlikely defender of black womanhood (considering his AIDS fantasies, for instance) but give him credit for being innocent in this particular case.


How can he be innocent when he called Thomas the name? Even Hill didn't call Thomas the name; she testified that he used the term. (I did watch every minute of that Senate hearing, including the witnesses who testified for Thomas and Hill, and Thomas by far was the more persuasive. Apparently the Democrat majority Senate committee thought so too since they confirmed him.)


Agreed that Anita Hill was quoting Thomas - that's what my post said as well; but that Democratic-controlled committee had no choice but to confirm Thomas or find themselves liable for prosecution: it was one of them, you will recall, that leaked the secret FBI report on Thomas.

Anyway - back to the topic here: there's a preacher in Harlem (at a church said to be on 143rd St. and Malcolm X avenue) who came out violently against Obama in a recent sermon - sorry I've no reference as someone was just telling me about it. Does anyone here have that link?
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 11:56 am
okie wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Commonly held? This theory that minorities can't be racist is now "common?" You're out of touch okie.

T
K
O

I don't know about prevalent or dominant, but I believe it has been common, at least in some important political circles. I will post the following link, which more or less explains the theory behind it. In short, the belief that reverse racism cannot exist is because according to the theory for racism to have an impact, it has to be accompanied with power, and without power, it has no influence, hence it isn't racism. Thus any minority can hate, call names, and attempt to harm members of the majority, but it isn't racism because as the theory goes they have no majority power to exercise their desires.

Contrary to what you might believe, this concept has been around a long time, and expressed by a number of people. I can't find links now, but I have heard a number of people as guests on talk shows express the theory as one they support and believe. I was looking for a link in regard to Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and others believing this, which I think I have heard, but I could not find the links, at least easily.

Actually, the whole idea of affirmative action is based on the belief that special treatment is not racial when practiced to further a minority, even if discrimination against a member of the majority is required to do it. Affirmative action would not involve the full meaning of the theory, but it does incorporate an element of it, and even you would have to admit that this practice is not only commonly believed as valid, but it has been government policy.

I don't know who Tim Wise is, but he explains aspects of the theory in the following link:

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml


The article goes on about the history of language less the history of racism. Racism is not limited to name calling, and I think the author may have oversimplified this.

There is a difference between the theory being very old and the general etymology surrounding racial slurs and their use. I'm still not on board that this theory is common or is even circulating in political circles as something that is accepted.

Additionally, I think you have some misunderstandings about AA.

T
K
O
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:14 pm
okie wrote:
Diest, Clarence Thomas is a good example. When he was going through the confirmation process, it was a very ugly, very ugly process, and he was accused of lots of things, one being he was an Uncle Tom for the simple fact that he was standing as an individual not as a black person per se. Remember, he wasn't black enough according to many black folks, and some of the people that skewered him the worst were of the black community. Republicans never accused Democrats of opposing the man because he was black. And the truth is it was all about politics.

In contrast, here we have Obama running as a black person, and those that don't vote for him have been accused of racism, and count on it - we will hear lots more about it. At the beginning, some black leaders claimed or debated whether he was "black enough," and the meaning of that could be debated as a subject in and of itself, but in order to gain the support of many in the black community, he had to prove he was "black," which apparently involves a whole lot more than skin color. Again, it is about politics, plain and simple, not color of skin.

By the way, I think the pictures show Clarence Thomas to have alot blacker skin than Obama. Smile On a serious note, Clarence Thomas has turned out to be one fine justice. I have heard him speak, and he speaks common sense, I like and respect the man a great deal, especially knowing what he has gone through to be an honorable individual to buck the poison thrown at him.

All of this is so plain as day, Democrats see people as groups, Republicans see people as individuals. This is a generalization, but I think a valid one, everyone is different, but in general, more Republicans think and act independently, than do Democrats or liberals. I will be skewered for this generalization I am sure.

He IS an "uncle Tom"! He HATES Black People! He hates himself! Evil or Very Mad
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:14 pm
High Seas writes
Quote:
Anyway - back to the topic here: there's a preacher in Harlem (at a church said to be on 143rd St. and Malcolm X avenue) who came out violently against Obama in a recent sermon - sorry I've no reference as someone was just telling me about it. Does anyone here have that link?


The reference may be to David Manning who has his own style and delivery. (I think this stuff is as inappropriate from the pulpit as that preached by Jeremiah Wright but I wonder if the Wright supporters will defend Manning?):

David Manning Sermon bashing Obama
YOU TUBE CLIP

David Manning explains his sermon to Hannity
YOU TUBE CLIP
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:19 pm
okie wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Commonly held? This theory that minorities can't be racist is now "common?" You're out of touch okie.

T
K
O

I don't know about prevalent or dominant, but I believe it has been common, at least in some important political circles. I will post the following link, which more or less explains the theory behind it. In short, the belief that reverse racism cannot exist is because according to the theory for racism to have an impact, it has to be accompanied with power, and without power, it has no influence, hence it isn't racism. Thus any minority can hate, call names, and attempt to harm members of the majority, but it isn't racism because as the theory goes they have no majority power to exercise their desires.

Contrary to what you might believe, this concept has been around a long time, and expressed by a number of people. I can't find links now, but I have heard a number of people as guests on talk shows express the theory as one they support and believe. I was looking for a link in regard to Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and others believing this, which I think I have heard, but I could not find the links, at least easily.

Actually, the whole idea of affirmative action is based on the belief that special treatment is not racial when practiced to further a minority, even if discrimination against a member of the majority is required to do it. Affirmative action would not involve the full meaning of the theory, but it does incorporate an element of it, and even you would have to admit that this practice is not only commonly believed as valid, but it has been government policy.

I don't know who Tim Wise is, but he explains aspects of the theory in the following link:

http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033
,80611,.shtml


Tim Wise is a lecturer! He graduated from Tulane University, New Orleans. Lectures on Black Life in White America, Race in America, etc. He is a White Male, knows what entitlement is and realizes the disadvantages one has to deal with, when you are Black!

Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:26 pm
Here is the flyer Obama is circulating in Kentucky in advance of the primary vote there:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/EconGradStud/Obama.jpg

Other side:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/EconGradStud/Barack.jpg
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:30 pm
Those flyers are outrageous, Foxfyre. I have been turning against Obama more and more, but that makes my stomach turn.

Obama must not be elected, he is poison.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:31 pm
okie wrote:
Those flyers are outrageous, Foxfyre. I have been turning against Obama more and more, but that makes my stomach turn.


Do you think a Republican using a flyer like that might be accused of major pandering? Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:32 pm
okie wrote:
Those flyers are outrageous, Foxfyre. I have been turning against Obama more and more, but that makes my stomach turn.

Obama must not be elected, he is poison.


Which part do you find to be the most outrageous, I would ask?

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:32 pm
Who does he think he is? Reverend Wright?
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:32 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Those flyers are outrageous, Foxfyre. I have been turning against Obama more and more, but that makes my stomach turn.

Obama must not be elected, he is poison.


Which part do you find to be the most outrageous, I would ask?

Cycloptichorn


I would ask also.
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:32 pm
A republican would be drummed out of the race in a matter of days, Foxfyre.

I am beginning to think Obama is dumber than I ever dreamed, and a bigger demagogue than I ever dreamed.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:37 pm
Wow, I read the "outrageous" stuff first then scrolled up to the flyers... really not what I expected.

What's so awful about them?

I'm agnostic so the religious stuff doesn't really resonate but I appreciate that Obama is comfortable in that milieu, and given that the whole Muslim thing is believed by a lot of people (putting aside for a minute whether Muslim should = bad -- it shouldn't) I can see why he'd feel the need to put out a corrective.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:40 pm
Well there's all sorts of ways to look at it. I'm just reminded about how many Obama supporters have so criticized President Bush for interjecting his religious faith into anything.

And there is this from Obama's book that I just finished:

Quote:
And those who do are likely to be those with the most insular views of faith, or who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.

BARACK OBAMA, Audacity of Hope
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:41 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Here is the flyer Obama is circulating in Kentucky in advance of the primary vote there:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/EconGradStud/Obama.jpg

Other side:
[img]http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/EconGradStud/Barack.jpg[/im
g]

I think it's Great! :wink:
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 May, 2008 12:42 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Those flyers are outrageous, Foxfyre. I have been turning against Obama more and more, but that makes my stomach turn.

Obama must not be elected, he is poison.


Which part do you find to be the most outrageous, I would ask?

Cycloptichorn


I would ask also.

He is beginning to mix government policy with religion, not a good thing. I am all in favor of personal religious belief for his own personal conduct and decisions, which is the traditional role of faith in American government, but this crosses that line in my opinion. We are seeing the loss of understanding of how faith should influence us in government, it is getting out of whack, and shows his basic mis-understanding of the proper role of his religion. It is obvious he is trying to use it for his own personal advantage, thats all it amounts to. He is turning out to be a very cheap politician, indeed.
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