Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 13 Sep, 2006 07:04 am
Obama related:


Voters painting state blue

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(from today's Chicago Tribune, print edition, frontpage and page 9)

Quote:
The percentage of Illinois voters who call themselves Democrats is at its highest pre-election level in more than a decade, posing a problem for Republicans trying to win the governor's mansion and key congressional seats, a Tribune/WGN-TV poll shows.

The poll found 43 percent of voters identified themselves as Democrats while a little more than a quarter of the voters identified themselves as Republicans. The 17 percentage point difference ranks among the most polarized partisan spreads in more than 16 years of Tribune surveys taken prior to an election day.
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joefromchicago
 
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Fri 15 Sep, 2006 07:48 am
From today's Chicago Tribune (registration required):

Ex-rival Hynes tries to start Obama national bandwagon
Comptroller urges senator to jump into race for president


By Crystal Yednak
Tribune staff reporter
Published September 15, 2006

State Comptroller Dan Hynes urged his former opponent, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, to run for president, just days before Obama heads to Iowa for a major political event.

"We are a nation divided like at almost no other time in our history," Hynes said Thursday during a downtown news conference to announce his support for Obama. "I believe Barack Obama can change this, that he, and he alone can restore the hope and optimism that has made this country great."

The comments from Hynes are among the strongest to date from a Democratic official about the prospect of an Obama presidential bid.

For months, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) has been encouraging Obama to keep an open mind about his political future, saying earlier this year: "There is a need for Barack Obama's leadership in America. I hope that he will seriously consider it."

Obama's scheduled appearance Sunday at a high-profile Iowa Democratic event--Sen. Tom Harkin's steak fry--is sure to increase speculation about his intentions. And he is doing little to dampen that chatter, particularly considering that he has asked one of the state's most influential political operatives to accompany him.

Steve Hildebrand, who ran Al Gore's Iowa campaign in 2000, will join Obama and introduce him to state Democratic activists.

"If you go to Iowa," said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, "it's best to take someone along who knows people."

Still, Obama has taken few tangible steps toward seriously exploring a presidential run. Though the Democratic primaries and caucuses are more than 15 months away, other prospective candidates have already been raising money and courting activists for months.

Hynes, who is running for re-election, said he hopes his announcement will serve as a catalyst for a more organized effort among party leaders, donors and voters to encourage Obama to make a presidential run.

In the 2004 primary election, Hynes lost to Obama but said he came out with a great deal of respect for him.

"My family was heavily involved in my campaign, and emotionally invested--and crushed when I lost," Hynes said. "But we all realized that we encountered somebody great."

Hynes said the decision to make the announcement Thursday was his alone, and not the result of political strategizing with the senator or his staff. The comptroller said he called Obama 10 minutes before the event began to tell him what he was about to do. He also sent a letter outlining the reasons why Obama should run.

"He took it in stride, like he does," Hynes said. "He's used to this attention."

Gibbs, Obama's spokesman, said that the senator considers Hynes a good friend and was flattered.

Hynes said he purposely timed his announcement just days before the Iowa trip.

The state comptroller dismissed speculation that he might be pushing for Obama to run for president because he wants the Senate seat for himself, saying he would not seek it if that were the case.

Hynes faces Republican state Sen. Carole Pankau and Green Party candidate Alicia Snyder in the Nov. 7 election.

Pankau criticized Hynes for the Thursday event.

"Today, Dan Hynes had his first major press conference for his campaign and what does he talk about? A presidential election that is over two years away," she said in a written statement. "I question where Mr. Hynes has placed his priorities."

State Democratic leaders said Thursday they did not know of Hynes' plans before the announcement but agreed Obama should consider a run.

Hynes said if and when Obama throws his name into the race, a groundswell of support will follow.

"What we need to do is both create a real movement for those of us who believe he's the right man for the presidency and to give him a better understanding of just how broad, and deep, and emotional the support is for him across the state," he said.

Despite losing to Obama, this is not the first time Hynes has backed him. In September 2005, he wrote a letter to the Tribune saying "I, for one, am glad we have Sen. Barack Obama."

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Call me cynical, but I suspect that Hynes is urging Obama to seek higher office so that he can take Obama's place in the senate. This is not so much about Obama's presidential ambitions, then, as it is about Hynes's senatorial ambitions.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 15 Sep, 2006 07:51 am
Still very interesting!

It has to start somewhere...
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nimh
 
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Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:17 pm
On Thursday, the Washington Post's politics blog The Fix had:

Quote:
Obama in Iowa: Preview of 2008?

After watching Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (D) closely over the last few months, we've grown more and more convinced that he will come under significant pressure to at least consider a run for president in 2008.

While Obama -- and his staff -- continue to deny any interest in a national bid in two years time, his actions seem to belie his comments on the subject.

The latest evidence? Obama will be the special guest of Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin (D) at his annual steak fry held this Sunday at the Warren County Fairgrounds in Indianola. [..]

I'm not going to quote more from it because the original has all kinds of links to yet other sources, so it's better to just go there. But there was, in any case, this:

"his Hope Fund PAC has raised nearly $4 million in this cycle alone"

And then The Fix returned to the topic on Friday:

Quote:
Obama Watch: Another Hint of '08 Intent?

After yesterday's post on Barack Obama's visit to Iowa this weekend, another tidbit of information came to The Fix's attention that will certainly fuel even more chatter that the Illinois senator is seriously pondering a 2008 presidential bid.

Obama will be accompanied on the trip by Steve Hildebrand, considered one of the major "gets" for candidates eyeing the 2008 race due to his expertise as a field organizer and campaign manager. In 2000, Hildebrand managed Vice President Al Gore's Iowa caucus victory over New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley. Four years earlier he ran the Midwest for the Clinton-Gore reelection effort. Hildebrand also has considerable experience in Senate races.

<further info on Hildebrand snipped>

[..] the presence of Hildebrand at Obama's side this weekend means that Obama will meet all the right movers and shakers in the state. As we have said before, although Obama is extremely inexperienced politically, a compelling case exists that he should run for president in 2008. The smart money is still on him waiting until 2012 or 2016, but this latest development has to give even those most pessimistic about an Obama '08 bid some pause.
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nimh
 
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Sat 16 Sep, 2006 07:27 pm
This was one of the stories linked through to from the first of those Fix items. Its from back in June and focuses mostly on Obama's charismatic appeal and fundraising prowess, but within that limitation it's still quite lovely / encouraging:

Obama's Profile Has Democrats Taking Notice

Quote:
Barack Obama was standing before a packed high school auditorium when he noticed a familiar face in the crowd -- none other than singer Dionne Warwick. He paused, flashed a mischievous smile, then let loose with a perfectly on-key performance of the opening line of her hit song "Walk On By."

The audience of 300 students and adults roared with approval.

Quote:
His office fields more than 300 requests a week for appearances. [..] State parties report breaking fundraising records when Obama is the speaker. [..]

"I haven't seen a phenomenon like this, where someone comes in so new and is so dazzling," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), a 25-year veteran of Congress. Schumer, who heads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said Obama "is more requested than anybody else" in the party's hierarchy for fundraising and campaign appearances on behalf of congressional candidates. "Everyone wants him. He's lightning." [..]

Obama is scrambling to meet his party's demands. He starred at a March 30 dinner for Connecticut Democrats that drew more than 1,700 people paying at least $175 each -- the state party's biggest such take in decades. [..] A March rally on behalf of a Senate candidate in Vermont drew 2,000 people to a hall with 800 seats. "Organizers underestimated Barack Obama's star power," said the next day's Burlington Free Press. [..] In East Orange, Obama made three stops on behalf of Sen. Robert Menendez (N.J.), including at a fundraiser that brought in $500,000.

Quote:
Onstage, Obama carries audiences along with self-deprecating jokes and gently rhythmic riffs that accent his main points. With a comic's timing, he gets big laughs describing how he reacted when friends first urged him to run for the Illinois Senate. "I prayed on it," he says, pausing briefly. "And I asked my wife." He adds that "those higher authorities" gave their assent.

Perhaps because he has been a national figure for so short a time, there's little of the air of self-importance that surrounds many senators. Staffers generally refer to him as "Barack" rather than "the senator," and they don't snap to attention, as some aides do, when the boss suddenly appears.
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JPB
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:14 am
Iowa Dems like Obama

Quote:
Iowa Democrats see contender in Obama

By Tim Jones
Tribune national correspondent
Published September 18, 2006

INDIANOLA, Iowa -- Most people would not choose to spend a Sunday afternoon at a damp county fairgrounds to hear the words of a politician who was not likely to say what a lot of them wanted to hear.

Yet thousands of the most hardened political junkies Iowa has to offer turned out to hear Sen. Barack Obama, who is being urged by some Democrats to say yes to a presidential bid, altogether ignore those pleadings.

And they loved it.

"The sooner he runs, the better," is how Sheila Pottebaum, a Des Moines psychologist, described her feelings about calls for the first-term Illinois Democrat to jump into the presidential race. "He has the personality and the moral convictions."

Obama, who was the featured speaker at Sen. Tom Harkin's annual steak fry, has repeatedly said he is not a presidential candidate for 2008 and that he has no interest in running. Yet his invitation to speak at Harkin's showcase event has only elevated Obama's profile. Previous speakers have included a number of Democrats who have run for president, including Bill Clinton (three times as speaker), current Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina.

Obama's appearance also has fanned the debate as to whether the charismatic 45-year-old -- not two years into his first term in the Senate--should answer the call.

That question is of particular interest in Iowa, which holds the first of the presidential nominating sweepstakes in January 2008. Nearly a dozen unannounced Democratic candidates have crossed the state. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts was in Iowa on Sunday. So was former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, who spoke briefly at the Harkin fundraiser, calling Obama "one of the great shining new stars in the Democratic Party."

In his 38-minute speech in front of a large American flag and a small stack of hay bales, Obama talked of opportunity, fairness and hope for the future. In one of the few moments of tossing partisan red meat to the Democratic crowd, Obama took direct aim at President Bush and congressional Republicans, charging they have politicized the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Pointing to allegations "pretending that some people are appeasers . . . [and] creating false dichotomies about cut and run and stay the course," Obama said, "I've had enough of using terrorism as a wedge issue in politics."

Despite the overall positive reception for Obama, it should be noted that Iowa is not into coronations. Candidates are expected to pay homage to ethanol, know the difference between barrows and gilts, and appreciate the virtues of loose-meat hamburger. But above all, if they are to win the hearts of Iowans they are expected to spend a lot of time here, in pastures and living rooms.

"He [Obama] has become this larger-than-life figure, one of the few politicians that enjoys rock-star political status," said Gordon Fischer, the state's former Democratic Party chairman. "He would start out with considerably higher favorability ratings, but he would have to face the same kind of obstacle course as everyone else."

Cameras flashed as Obama took the podium Sunday, reflecting for many a curiosity and for others a hunger for someone new to hit the state. Linda Alloway, a high school guidance counselor from Indianola, said she "loves" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who leads most published polls of likely Democratic candidates.

"But she's too polarizing and they [Republicans] have made her out to be a witch," Alloway said.

That sentiment was echoed by others who felt that Clinton, who finished second behind Edwards in a Des Moines Register poll in June, could not get elected because she arouses strong animosities.

Still, the field in Iowa is wide-open.

"Hard-core Democrats in Iowa appreciate all these people coming in, and they are deliberately waiting for who else will get in," said state Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal of Council Bluffs.

David and Mary Williams, from the southwest Iowa community of Villisca, said they liked Obama.

"But I think he [Obama] is down the road a few years. Not yet," said Mary Williams, who voted for Kerry two years ago, is not sure Clinton can win and is searching for someone to get excited about. Maybe Edwards, she said.

Her husband said Obama "needs more experience."

Gene Lansing, a retiree from Dubuque, said he came here for one reason--to see Obama.

"If he were running tomorrow I'd vote for him," Lansing said. "I want to see somebody like John Kennedy who can get people excited and get this country going."

The hunger for a hero or a political rock star is not new. More than a half-century ago both parties went after Gen. Dwight Eisenhower. Then came the Kennedys for the Democrats and Colin Powell for the Republicans. Now some believe it's Obama's turn.

With 484 days left before the Iowa caucuses, Obama, wearing a crisp blue shirt and tan khakis, left the dais with Harkin to a throng of well-wishers and autograph-seekers waiting under a silver maple tree. Obama signed for them all, smiling, while the loudspeaker on stage blared Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA."
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:18 am
Definate rise in profile happening here. And it isn't merely by chance. Vice-Pres?

Can I convince anyone that this might just work?
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sozobe
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:47 am
Who would be the Presidential contender on that ticket?

If Hillary, NO.

Others, maybe.

I want him in the President slot, though.

Thanks for posting that, JPB!

Definitely, since I started this thread, the idea of him actually running has become much, much more plausible.
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snood
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 12:33 pm
No doubt about that, Soz. The whole tone of the discourse has changed.
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JPB
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:08 pm
Iowa is only spitting distance from IL. I'd be more interested in how his appeal is spreading (or not) beyond the midwest.
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Thomas
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:13 pm
Don't get your hopes up you three. How often do I have to tell you? Obama is a man of his word. He said he isn't running in 2008. That means he isn't running in 2008. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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JPB
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:31 pm
Thomas, I think the entire thing is pretty hopeless. Unless the Republicans give the nod to Cheney or otherwise shoot themselves in the knees, I honestly don't think there's a viable Democratic candidate that will take '08. They're all "too..... something". Obama is too green, probably the lighest of the raps against anyone that is in the news, but he's still 'too something'. My hope lies in making gains in Congress this year and completing the turnover in '08. At least then we might return to situation where Congress isn't in bed with the President.

It's interesting to watch his star rise, however.
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Thomas
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:41 pm
JPB wrote:
Thomas, I think the entire thing is pretty hopeless.

I agree -- as hopeless as Clinton in September 1990.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:43 pm
sozobe wrote:
Who would be the Presidential contender on that ticket?

If Hillary, NO.

Others, maybe.

I want him in the President slot, though.

Thanks for posting that, JPB!

Definitely, since I started this thread, the idea of him actually running has become much, much more plausible.


I'd like him there too, but I think you oughta be prepared for this alternate eventuality.
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JPB
 
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Mon 18 Sep, 2006 02:12 pm
Thomas wrote:
JPB wrote:
Thomas, I think the entire thing is pretty hopeless.

I agree -- as hopeless as Clinton in September 1990.


Which is why I'd like to see feedback on his chances outside of the midwest.

Obama under Hillary would have me campaigning against the ticket, unless the Republicans shoot themselves in the knees, and then I needn't bother.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 19 Sep, 2006 12:07 am
sozobe wrote:
Who would be the Presidential contender on that ticket?

If Hillary, NO.

Others, maybe.

I want him in the President slot, though.

Thanks for posting that, JPB!

Definitely, since I started this thread, the idea of him actually running has become much, much more plausible.


Much more plausible? With whom? Posters on A2K or in the wide world?

I can't imagine why he would run in 2008. Even if he was convinced that he was the nation's best hope for peace and prosperity there is little chance that he will win the nomination of his party in 2008 and no chance that he will win the election.

He is charismatic but he is not selling anything new. Clinton won because he was charismatic and because he sold the idea of the moderate Democrat. As a governor of Arkansas, Clinton did not need to weigh in on national issues and so what he said during the campaign could not easily be contradicted by what he said previously or how he voted. Obama is a US Senator, and a highly covered one. There is no end of file footage on him and if he were to run, it will all be available to contrast with the moderate position he would have to assert to have a chance of winning.

Whatever Democratic candidate secures the nomination, they will have no prayer of winning by toeing a leftist line. I know that liberals want to believe that their way of thought can win a popular national election, but it can't. Clinton certainly didn't win by following that ideological tact. Neither Gore nor Kerry tried to win as Liberals and both lost. They would have suffered McGovern like debacles if they ran to the far left.

Having said this, I don't think that a Republican who is perceived to be a staunch ideological conservative will win against a moderate Democrat. McCain or Gulianni can fit the bill, but Rudy can't get out of the primaries. I'm not sure McCain can either, more's the pity, but he has a better chance than the former mayor of NY.

Obama may, one day, be elected president, but it won't be in 2008. The first African-American president will be a conservative, and this may be due to racist aspects, but it's reality.
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nimh
 
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Tue 19 Sep, 2006 04:05 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Definitely, since I started this thread, the idea of him actually running has become much, much more plausible.

Much more plausible? With whom? Posters on A2K or in the wide world?

In the wide world, considering the sheer volume of commentators writing about the chance of it happening now (as collected here). When this thread started, few if any commentators out there were still even prepared to discuss the prospect seriously.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Neither Gore nor Kerry tried to win as Liberals and both lost. They would have suffered McGovern like debacles if they ran to the far left.

Do you have the impression that Obama steers to the far left of Gore and Kerry?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The first African-American president will be a conservative, and this may be due to racist aspects, but it's reality.

That may well be true, for better or worse.
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blatham
 
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Tue 19 Sep, 2006 05:38 am
Quote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The first African-American president will be a conservative, and this may be due to racist aspects, but it's reality.

nimh; That may well be true, for better or worse.


Oh, for goodness sakes. Finn's rousing confidence has his rousing confidence for its validation. Ralph Reed went into such a depression, after Clinton won his first election, that he temporarily quit politics for a while. The inevitable blossoming of the conservative movement as the real expression of America hadn't played out as Reed's confidence predicted. What ARE you reading these days, finn?
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nimh
 
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Tue 19 Sep, 2006 06:13 am
blatham wrote:
Oh, for goodness sakes.

Oh, I was just referring to this political home truth about how you often need the unexpected side to push the boundary. Like, it often takes a Socialdemocratic government to 'succeed' in pushing through a new level of economic reform, because if a conservative government would try it, it would merely mobilise the other half. If a Labour government does it, it kind of straight away disarms the very constituency that would be most likely to rebel. (Thats the theory, anyway - even if they forgot to tell Thatcher).

The same could plausibly be argued with race. To their credit, the Republicans have made great strides in the last few years pioneering black politicians in eye-catching top positions or political runs, from Powell and Rice to Steele and Blackwell. But when you look at the party's overall representation and its rank and file troops - at the 2004 National Conventions, for example - the Republicans are still a much more white party than the Democrats. Much of the party is still a white refuge.

Consequently, a black Democrat as presidential candidate would arguably merely rally the colour-hesitant camp behind the Republican banner and lose the elections as a result. A black Republican candidate would have a better shot, because much of the colour-hesitant electorate would never be able to bring themselves to rally behind the Democratic candidate against him, having railed so long at the Democrats as - well, you know what the meme is - a collection of interest groups who's obsessed with minorities, has lost touch with the common (read: white) American, etc etc.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 19 Sep, 2006 06:40 am
Yeah, I said something similar in March:

Quote:
Anyway, one thing I've said before that I'm revisiting now is that I think it's more likely that the black and/ or woman president threshold will be crossed by a Republican than a Democrat. :-? Not because Republicans are more enlightened, as a group -- kind of the opposite, in fact.* Goes something like:

Republican: Well, he/she's (black and/or female) but has good, solid, Republican principles so I'd be willing to vote for him/ her anyway.

Democrat: Well, he/she's got Republican princples but it would be so cool would to finally have a (black and/or female) president so I'd be willing to vote for him/ her anyway.

*Note, some Republicans are in fact enlightened, and some Democrats are in fact racist idiots -- talking generally about the two groups.


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