Obama '08?

I'd like some money, please. I'll take US$, GBP, Euro or Forint.

That should boost Obama's polling results by 10 points.

Hey gus. There's a deer in our headlights. You wanna go first?

Or me, re: the fact that Obama was beating a white candidate by 22 percentage points just before it came out that the white candidate took his wife to a sex club and made her cry...

I won't address the points made by Possum (or one of his many indistinguishable relatives) in his latest post, mostly because they were either off-topic or incomprehensible or both. I will, however, address his suggestion that a black candidate cannot win a statewide election in Illinois unless he is running against another black candidate. That assertion is so idiotic, so lamebrained, so manifestly and demonstrably wrong that it could only have been made by Possum. I have no hopes of educating him, but, in case someone reads this thread and mistakenly assumes that he knows what he's talking about, let me set out the facts:

1. Carol Moseley-Braun, a black woman, defeated two white candidates, including the incumbent senator, Alan Dixon, in the Illinois Democratic senate primary in 1992, and then went on to defeat the GOP candidate, Rich Williamson (a white guy) in the general election 53%-43%.

2. Jesse White, a black man, was re-elected secretary of state in 2002, defeating the GOP candidate, Kris O'Rourke Cohn (really white woman), with 67% of the vote in the general election. He was first elected to that office in 1998, beating Al Salvi (crazy white guy) 57%-43%.

3. And, lest we forget, Barack Obama won the Illinois Democratic senate primary in 2004 with a clear majority (52.7%) of the vote, besting a field of rivals, most of whom were white. So to say that Obama can't win a statewide race against white folk ignores one salient fact: he has already done it.

Massagatto? Dontcha have anymore harebrained, ignorant and/or racist commentary?

I dare ya to reply directly to joefromchigago's last post!

Joe From Chicago wrote:


1. Carol Moseley-Braun, a black woman, defeated two white candidates, including the incumbent senator, Alan Dixon, in the Illinois Democratic senate primary in 1992, and then went on to defeat the GOP candidate, Rich Williamson (a white guy) in the general election 53%-43%.

2. Jesse White, a black man, was re-elected secretary of state in 2002, defeating the GOP candidate, Kris O'Rourke Cohn (really white woman), with 67% of the vote in the general election. He was first elected to that office in 1998, beating Al Salvi (crazy white guy) 57%-43%.

3. And, lest we forget, Barack Obama won the Illinois Democratic senate primary in 2004 with a clear majority (52.7%) of the vote, besting a field of rivals, most of whom were white. So to say that Obama can't win a statewide race against white folk ignores one salient fact: he has already done it.


RIDICULOUS-- Joe from Chicago knows that Carole Mosely Braun was an Aunt Jemima Senator who won ONLY because the vote was split.

Joe from Chicago knows that the do nothing welfare cheat, Carole Moseley Braun, ran against two people in the Primary-

Braun received only 38% of the vote in the primary in 1992

THE INCUMBENT SENATOR, ALAN DIXON GOT 35%

AND A MAVERICK WHITE LAWYER, AL HOFELD, GOT 27%

Now( I hope Joe from Chicago knows more about law than he does ab out Chicago Politics) I defy Joe from Chicago to show that Braun would have won without the spoiler in the race.

Braun, the do-nothing incumbent, was beaten by Fitzgerald in 1998. Braun won 95% of the huge African-American vote but was still beaten>



Jesse White? He's a tumbler, is he not? Joe from Chicago knows that the Secretary of State's office was under a cloud because of corruption. It was ripe for the plucking. I think that Jesse White is unique, however. He is the first Secretary of State in Illinois who has an IQ under 100--He does have some good helpers!!!


Obama? I told you about Obama in my last post which you could not handle intellectually, Joe From Chicago. You assiduously avoided the points because they blew your thesis out of the water.

Obama is dead in the future. The Hispanics will push his derriere out of the picture and YOU KNOW IT!


The Steinberg column jammed it where the sun does not shine and you can't handle it, Joe from Chicago!!!


Here it is again:

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What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident of Chicago but does not know is that although the present mayor, Richard Daley has had many scandals during his term of office, he will beat the living sh.t out of a race carder like the poorly educated Jesse Jackson Jr.

What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident from Chicago is that the Hispanics will NEVER vote for an African-American.

What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident from Chicago is that Hispanics, WHO ARE A LARGE VOTING BLOC, will never vote for an African-American because the positively INSIST that their children cannot and will not be bused to African-American schools in which they are afraid, with very good reason, that their children will be beaten, harrassed and extorted.

What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident from Chicago is that the bogus fake, Stroger's son, who is running for the Presidency of Cook Country may lose to an unknown, Pereica, from the suburbs, because very few Caucasians and not many Hipanics will vote for an African-American for that position despite the fact that the fake Stroger will get almost every single African-American vote.

What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident from Chicago is that one of the worst times in Chicago History is when Chicago erroneously elected a fag as mayor, named Harold Washington. Despite that error, there have been no viable African-American candidates since then.

What Joe from Chicago should know as a resident from Chicago is that if a well spoken Hispanic Candidate runs for Senator in 2010, he could very well beat the do nothing Obama!

What Joe from Chicago should know but does not know, is that Hispanic numbers in Chicago and suburbs will DROWN the African-American vote and that the Hispanic vote will NEVER go the way of the African-Americans since the Hispanics are adamantly opposed to living close to that group or going to school with them in any section of Illinois.

What Joe from Chicago should know but does not know( and he, as a lawyer should know this) is that Obama is an admitted Cocaine User( he wrote that in his autobiography) and that he attended two years in a Muslim School in Hawaii( he wrote that in his autobiography) and that he was labelled by his colleagues in law school as an ineffective leader who was friendly and outgoing but not "tough" enough.

What Joe From Chicago should know but does not know is that Obama's trip to Africa is on the public dole. Obama got support from the Department of Defense and the State Department for a CODEL. HE USED TAXPAYER MONEY TO VISIT HIS RELATIVES!

What Joe from Chicago should know but does not know is the truth about Obama. The truth about Obama was written in a column in the Sun-Times by Neil Steinberg.

Steinberg wrote:

QUOTE

"When does Barack Obama go home to Kansas? Because that's an odyssey I'd like to see.

Sure, it's very dramatic and spiritual to return to the Kenyan village of his father. But what about the heartland town of his mother? Why is that not on the calendar? Doesn't that half count? Maybe being white isn't cool. I know I am no perilous ground here. Black people prefer to be the sole arbitrers of all things racial, But they aren't making choices in a vacuum.Obama says he is black because society says he is black,. It's true. But he also has free choice. The standard view doesn't have to be automatically embraced. There is the Tiger Woods way: rejection of hackneyed racial attitudes, a demand to be viewed as an individual and not in terms of competing racial sterotypes.

Compared with that, Obama's way--I'm sorry--Seems to smack of heteful, repudiated notions of race of black blood trumping white and a person being black if a parent or grandparent or even great grandparent was black.
I thought we were past all that, past mulattos and octoroons and tainted blood. I hate to rain on Obama's triumphant homecoming. But I have to point out that he wouldn't be doing it if it weren't politically beneficial, and since race is so often cast one way only---as a handicap in a deeply racist society--by those who benefit from such a view, we have to remind ourselves that Obama underscores one side of his upbringing over the other for a reason. He sure ain't schlepping through Kansas with the press in tow. Maybe next year>"

end of quote


I will be working against Obama in 2010 and I hope to have the honor of being on the team which removes the "Accident" from Illinois. Of, Course, Ryan, who had a terrible scandal that hobbled him could not compete with Obama. The only way Obama could win was to be matched with another African-American, Alan Keyes, who was much too extreme in his views as well as a carpet bagger.

Somehow I admire people who can write a lot of sentences.

I don't. The sentences have to contain substance which can be shown to be truthful!

Ehm, dude - you didnt say anything about spoilers or the like. You simply said: a black person could not possibly win against a white competitor in a statewide race. Thats obviously just not true: Mosely-Braun did not just defeat one, but two white men.

An overheard conversation between Possum and HAL
Possum
"I'm afraid HAL, very afraid"
HAL
no response
Possum (mumbling)
"Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do
I'm half crazy all for the love of you
It won't be a stylish marriage
I can't afford a carriage
But you'll look sweet upon the seat
Of a bicycle built for two"

First, I must apologize: in my previous post listing black candidates who had been elected to statewide offices in Illinois, I had forgotten to mention Roland Burris, who was elected state comptroller in 1978 and spent twelve years in that post before being elected attorney-general in 1990. Needless to say, all of his GOP opponents were white.


Not in the general election.


Oh, I see: so you're arguing that black candidates can't win elections against white opponents -- unless they can.


Obama received 82% of the Hispanic vote in the 2004 general election. For one to suggest that Obama's support among the Hispanic community would drop from that level in the next election, one would, I suppose, have to posit that the GOP will run a candidate who would be more appealing to Hispanic voters than Obama, or at least more appealing to them than Alan Keyes. Now, to be sure, the latter would be difficult not to do -- all the Republicans would have to do is find someone who is actually from Illinois and not certifiably insane. That is setting the bar awfully low. Yet it still remains for the GOP in Illinois to field a candidate who has more to offer Hispanics than simply his or her residential and mental health bona fides. Indeed, just the thought of the Illinois GOP running a candidate who could gain even a majority of the Hispanic vote causes me such uncontrolled merriment that I find it difficult to think straight -- thus visiting, albeit briefly, the same region of the mind that Possum is forever doomed to inhabit.

Well that was a tour de force!

Meanwhile, that federal spending bill that Obama co-sponsored has passed in the Senate:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0609090045sep09,1,3822713.story?coll=chi-technology-hed

What is the redoubtable Joe from Chicago AFRAID of? Is he practically soiling himself in his efforts to keep from commenting on the slashing commentary at the end of this post written by Steinberg which pins the faker OBAMA right against the wall? Joe from Chicago knows, I hope, that if he is not responsive in the courtroom( that is, if they ever let him act as a attorney in a courtroom) the jury or, more frequently, the judge will rip him to pieces.

Joe from Chicago said that Carol Mosely Braun did not win because the vote was split. I will repeat what he avoided- SHE WON IN THE PRIMARY BECAUSE OF A THREE WAY RACE. SHE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEATEN DIXON IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR A THREE WAY RACE, SHE RECEIVED ONLY 38% OF THE VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. She ran against a certain Mr. Williamson who received no help from the Republican National Committee.The welfare fraud, Braun, was removed by the voters of Illinois after only one term of office. She was a disgrace and did almost nothing during her tenure.

Joe from Chicago wrote that Obama got 82%of the Latino vote. Is that all the faker Obama got running against another African-American? Keyes got 18%? Amazing. No one knew who he was.

Jesse White is a moron and everyone knows it. He couldn't pass an eighth grade reading test and he is in office only because the Daley organization wanted to give a sop to the African-Americans.


Joe from Chicago is almost completely IGNORANT about Latinos in Chicago. Certainly, there are many coming in from outside the USA. But Joe from Chicago is not aware that THIRD GENERATION HISPANICS are more likely to be intermarried with NON-HISPANICS. Who do you think they will vote for then? Hint--They do not intermarry with African-Americans who they despise.

Joe from Chicago apparently thinks that Hispanics voted for Obama because they are in favor of African-American initiatives in Education in Chicago. It is clear that Joe from Chicago does not read the newspapers.
Hispanics will NOT bus their children to schools which have a majority Black population because they fear for their safety. I am sure that Obama will make no pronouncements about Chicago's Educational problems in the assignment of students, because the Latinos would have his head. He is a craven coward anyway and would never stand up for his principles.





The Steinberg column jammed it where the sun does not shine and you can't handle it, Joe from Chicago!!!


Here it is again:

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What Joe from Chicago should know but does not know is the truth about Obama. The truth about Obama was written in a column in the Sun-Times by Neil Steinberg.

Steinberg wrote:

QUOTE

"When does Barack Obama go home to Kansas? Because that's an odyssey I'd like to see.

Sure, it's very dramatic and spiritual to return to the Kenyan village of his father. But what about the heartland town of his mother? Why is that not on the calendar? Doesn't that half count? Maybe being white isn't cool. I know I am no perilous ground here. Black people prefer to be the sole arbitrers of all things racial, But they aren't making choices in a vacuum.Obama says he is black because society says he is black,. It's true. But he also has free choice. The standard view doesn't have to be automatically embraced. There is the Tiger Woods way: rejection of hackneyed racial attitudes, a demand to be viewed as an individual and not in terms of competing racial sterotypes.

Compared with that, Obama's way--I'm sorry--Seems to smack of heteful, repudiated notions of race of black blood trumping white and a person being black if a parent or grandparent or even great grandparent was black.
I thought we were past all that, past mulattos and octoroons and tainted blood. I hate to rain on Obama's triumphant homecoming. But I have to point out that he wouldn't be doing it if it weren't politically beneficial, and since race is so often cast one way only---as a handicap in a deeply racist society--by those who benefit from such a view, we have to remind ourselves that Obama underscores one side of his upbringing over the other for a reason. He sure ain't schlepping through Kansas with the press in tow. Maybe next year>"

end of quote


I will be working against Obama in 2010 and I hope to have the honor of being on the team which removes the "Accident" from Illinois. Of, Course, Ryan, who had a terrible scandal that hobbled him could not compete with Obama. The only way Obama could win was to be matched with another African-American, Alan Keyes, who was much too extreme in his views as well as a carpet bagger.

And I know, Joe from Chicago, who the African-American candidates are in the USA who are running for statewide offices like governor of Senator and must garner a large number of white votes to win.

I will again predict that the American people will not elect African-Americans to high office because:

1.They mistrust race-carders like Jackson and Sharpton and,perhaps erroneously, think that other blacks will be like them.

2. They have viewed the election of Blacks in districts that are 60 or 70% black and have found that the black candidate would hire only 1 or 2 White workers out of every ten. Reverse racism at work!!!

So your argument apparently is indeed, as Joe phrased it:

"black candidates can't win elections against white opponents -- unless they can."

Is he the reincarnation of David Hume or of Paul Revere's horse?

In Mass., Deval Patrick is neck-and-neck to two other candidates in the Democratic primaries for the state's gubernatorial race. Patrick is black, and should he win the general election he would only be the second black governor ever.

This article about it: Is Mass. ready for a black governor? is also interesting because it mentions, on an aside, the question of whether polls can be trusted on a black candidate:

No I didn't.


In order to avoid yet another iteration of the "sun don't shine" Steinberg column, let me just supply the last paragraph of that column, the one that Possum has conveniently omitted:

Don't get me wrong. Obama has a shot at the White House, and [b]I hope he gets there. I'll vote for him[/b]. But while we celebrate his steady climb to becoming the first black president, we should bear in mind that he'll also be the sixth president to have gone to Harvard. (emphasis added)

Funny how Possum seems to have ignored that paragraph completely, even though he faithfully reproduced the rest of the column three times.

My idea was that he read it in the printed version and the paper was tattered exactly there.

But that seems to rather impossible:



So, he must have acted in bad faith, as so often.