Obama '08?

FWIW,
Obama will be at Roberts stadium in Evansville In tonite, starting at 7:30 central time.
He will be preceeded by a free John Mellencamp concert.
I will be going to hear Obama tonite and will let you know what I think of what he says tomorrow.

If anyone wants to hear what he says, it will be carried live here...http://www.14wfie.com/

I went and saw Hillary when she was here, and I hope to go see McCain when and if he comes to this area.

mysteryman wrote:

FWIW,
Obama will be at Roberts stadium in Evansville In tonite, starting at 7:30 central time.
He will be preceeded by a free John Mellencamp concert.
I will be going to hear Obama tonite and will let you know what I think of what he says tomorrow.

If anyone wants to hear what he says, it will be carried live here...http://www.14wfie.com/

I went and saw Hillary when she was here, and I hope to go see McCain when and if he comes to this area.

Are your opinions of the three still in the formative stages?

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(Actually it must be her huisband's fair share as she couldn't possibly be adding anything much to the business as she spends all her time here)

Foxfrye; generally sometime down the road claims some kind of personal important function or role or closely related person or knows people...in every single debate as though it gives her some kind of edge over the other person. It is just a given.

Yes Revel, when you have lived as long as I have you too will likely have quite a store of personal experience to inform you. And that experience is broadened if you are fortunate enough to have had as many vocations and avocations as I have been blessed to have and to have lived in as many different places as I have lived and have been privileged to travel as much as I have traveled and been privileged to meet as many really great people as I have met. Very few have been especially important or particularly famous, but all have informed my point of view of the world.

And if you are similarly blessed, somewhere along the line you might learn to understand that everybody isn't like you and you learn to appreciate that people have different experiences from your own and you become quite a bit less personally judgmental.

I pray for you to have similar blessings.

I ask for your forgiveness for using personal experience that I find useful to explain my point of view and suggest that you just pass over my posts to avoid such irritation in the future.

According to the MSM, the disappearing gun culture shouldn't really be a factor in this election.

So why are Obama and Clinton pandering for my vote (which they aren't gonna get)?

Out of curiosity, MM, what was it that you personally saw and heard at the live Clinton event that turned you away from voting for her?

Also, what did you hear or see at the live event that you haven't already heard or seen via videos and news accounts of her events in the media?

I'm just trying to figure out what was different for you about the Live event you personally attended and transcripts and videos of similar live events you didn't personally attend. Does it have to do with being emmersed in the crowd's reaction to what is going on there, viewing the live interaction of the speaker with the audience, or is it something else?

Butrflynet wrote:

Out of curiosity, MM, what was it that you personally saw and heard at the live Clinton event that turned you away from voting for her?

Also, what did you hear or see at the live event that you haven't already heard or seen via videos and news accounts of her events in the media?

I'm just trying to figure out what was different for you about the Live event you personally attended and transcripts and videos of similar live events you didn't personally attend. Does it have to do with being emmersed in the crowd's reaction to what is going on there, viewing the live interaction of the speaker with the audience, or is it something else?

I saw and heard quite a bit more when I went to her event that I hadnt seen or heard in the media.
In person, you hear everything the candidate is saying, not just what the media or the candidates own spin doctors want you to hear.
And regarding written transcripts, they dont allow you to see HOW a candidate is saying something, you only see WHAT that candidate said.

Her interaction with the audience was fantastic.
She had the crowd, 90% or more were her supporters to begin with, enthralled.
But to me, there were to many times when she seemed to be trying to say 2 different things at the same time, or she seemed like she was actually having to force some of her words out, like she didnt believe them herself.

Of course, that is just my opinion, but that goes back to HOW a candidate is saying something.

As for my personal reaction, I had the chance to meet her after the event when she came into the "overflow room", where about 300 people were waiting.
She was a very personable woman, and I imagine that if she wasnt running for office that she could be popular with everyone that meets her.

I dont know if that answers the question, but its really difficult to put into words the sort of "gut reaction" I had after her event in Evansville.

I will pray for you. If you consider your shitty, arrogant, white supremacist view of the world to be a blessing...well... there aren't words for it...really...you are so typical of what the Buddha teaches about clinging to "things" only leads to dukkha (loosely translated = suffering)

You are obviously a very miserable person. You constantly try to convince the board how much better you are than the rest of us. I truly can only pity you. I have less in material things than I have ever had but I am happier than I have ever been as I can devote myself to my work and all my basic needs are taken care of. Clinging to material things does not bring happiness, it only creates craving for more and more.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Hillary Rodham Clinton may not have been banking on this endorsement.

The Democratic presidential hopeful has been endorsed by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, whose owner and publisher -- billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife -- personally funded many of the investigations that led to President Clinton's impeachment.

Scaife spent $2.3 million to fund a series of articles that dug into Bill Clinton's behavior as governor of Arkansas.

Hillary Clinton famously defended her husband at the time, saying the allegations were part of a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Now Scaife's paper says Clinton is "far more experienced in government" than Barack Obama, and has a "real voting record."

The endorsement is one of a handful Clinton has received from Pennsylvania newspapers ahead of next Tuesday's primary.

MICHAEL MOORE Duration: 00:07:32

On Wednesday, Michael Moore will turn fifty-four years old. But today, on the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, the out-spoken filmmaker revealed what he wants for his birthday: Barack Obama.


We reached Michael Moore in Central Lake, Michigan.

MYERS: Well, you know, I think that that's -- we'd like to be able to look in the crystal ball and answer that question, as Democrats with the primary contests still going on. I don't think there's an easy answer to that question. If there were, we would have resolved this a long time ago. There are those who think Hillary Clinton's experience as a campaigner, having been through a general election, is certainly something that prepares you to be in a general election. She wasn't the candidate, but she's been through it at a much more close level than Senator Obama.

On the other hand, Senator Obama is fresh. He brings a lot of enthusiasm. He has a tremendously enthusiastic base of support that's going to stand by him and drive up turnout in ways we haven't seen in previous elections. So both of them I think have strong arguments for why they'd be the better nominee. The bottom line is the important thing is to win in November and I think either candidate has a great opportunity to do that.

KING: Tony, how do you see November?

SNOW: Well, the way -- Look, I think McCain's going to win, actually, because I think security and the economy both break his way. But on the Democratic side, if you take a look at it, it's basically -- Dee Dee got this right. You have got this charisma and emotion on the part of Obama. Can people stay in love with him from now until November? If so, it makes him a stronger candidates. If, on the other hand, the more you learn about him, the more you fall out of love, that's a campaign that could collapse.

Meanwhile, with Hillary Clinton, you have somebody who is battle tested. You have a political machine. You have a lot of experience. And you're going to have the ability to do whatever it takes to try to pull the party together. If you need that kind of machine operation, I think she does better.