blatham
 
  1  
Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:02 am
Quote:
NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama will take a public HIV test at a remote Kenyan clinic this weekend to promote HIV/AIDS prevention in a country where an average of 700 people die each day from the disease.

Obama, the only African-American in the Senate, was to arrive in Kenya Thursday and take the test in the western village of Nyangoma-Kogelo, where his father -- a goat herder who went on to study at Harvard -- grew up and his grandmother still lives, said Jennifer Barnes, a spokeswoman at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Kenya-Obama.html

This simple single public act might well have public health consequences of real significance. This is one smart fellow.
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BernardR
 
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Thu 24 Aug, 2006 08:37 pm
I did not say that Idi Amin was from the Congo but I did PROVE that there are cannibals in the Congo!

Anyone who is suffering from the delusion that an arbitrary boundary line between two countries that are very close together would BAR Cannibalistic practices from influencing both neighboring countries knows nothing about the movement of cultural memes!!

Note:

reflections on killers Idi Amin
Full name Idi Amin Dada Oumee.

Country: Uganda.

Kill tally: 100,000-500,000 (most sources say 300,000).

Background: The British Government declares Uganda its protectorate in 1894. Surrounding kingdoms are incorporated, with the borders becoming fixed in 1914. Independence is achieved peacefully on 9 October 1962 but rising tensions between the country's different ethnic groups see Prime Minister Milton Obote impose a new republican constitution establishing himself as president and abolishing all the country's kingdoms. Ethnic tensions continue to rise. Idi Amin seizes power in a coup in January 1971.

Mini biography: Born between 1923 and 1925 into the Kakwa tribe in Koboko, near Arua in the northwest corner of Uganda, close to the borders with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Sudan. His father is a farmer and a follower of Islam. His mother is a member of the Lugbara tribe and is said to practice sorcery
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SierraSong
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:00 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama will take a public HIV test at a remote Kenyan clinic this weekend to promote HIV/AIDS prevention in a country where an average of 700 people die each day from the disease.

Obama, the only African-American in the Senate, was to arrive in Kenya Thursday and take the test in the western village of Nyangoma-Kogelo, where his father -- a goat herder who went on to study at Harvard -- grew up and his grandmother still lives, said Jennifer Barnes, a spokeswoman at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Kenya-Obama.html

This simple single public act might well have public health consequences of real significance. This is one smart fellow.


Julian Bond has also taken a public HIV test. Of course, he did it here in the US - where the disease is out of control among African-Americans.

According to experts, 20,000 will die from AIDS this year and the majority of them will be black Americans.
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nimh
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:22 am
Yeah, shame on Obama for caring about Africans. Or for foreign policy in general. What does he think he is, a Senator? He's an African-American, so he should just stick to concerning himself with other African-Americans!




(that response is in part to Sierra and in part to Bernard)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:23 am
You're right, nimh. He really should go where his father is from ...
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:51 am
Gadzooks.
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SierraSong
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 08:43 am
nimh wrote:
Yeah, shame on Obama for caring about Africans. Or for foreign policy in general. What does he think he is, a Senator? He's an African-American, so he should just stick to concerning himself with other African-Americans!




(that response is in part to Sierra and in part to Bernard)


As pointed out in last night's 20/20 (ABC), there has been a deafening silence from the black community's leaders on this issue. I have no problem with Obama traveling to Africa with his entourage and scolding that government for its weak response to the AIDS crisis there, but what exactly has he contributed to the discussion of the crisis of African-Americans battling AIDS?

Are you saying he's incapable of multi-tasking?
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sozobe
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 08:50 am
SierraSong wrote:
I have no problem with Obama traveling to Africa with his entourage and scolding that government for its weak response to the AIDS crisis there, but what exactly has he contributed to the discussion of the crisis of African-Americans battling AIDS?

Are you saying he's incapable of multi-tasking?


Quick result of a Google search:

http://www.thebody.com/african_american/movers/bobama.html
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nimh
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 09:01 am
SierraSong wrote:
Are you saying he's incapable of multi-tasking?

Hey, you were the one taking news about Obama making statements about AIDS in Africa as proof that he's not doing it in America.

Thats nonsense, of course, as Soz's quick Google search showed - he can multitask.
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SierraSong
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 09:42 am
Quote:
"In America today, AIDS is virtually a black disease, by any measure," says Phill Wilson, executive director of The Black AIDS Institute in Los Angeles. Wilson also points out that while many black American leaders and celebrities have embraced the cause of the epidemic's toll in Africa, few have devoted similar energy to the crisis here at home.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2346857&page=1


Obama participated in a Q&A dealing with AIDS among the Black community.

He makes daily headlines for traveling to Africa, and is seen by some here as a virtual genius for taking a public HIV test.

Kudos to him, but which effort do you suppose has gained him the most publicity?

I think Wilson, as quoted above, is right to point out the lack of attention paid to the crisis involving black Americans by leaders in the black community, but that's just my opinion.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 09:52 am
SierraSong wrote:
Kudos to him, but which effort do you suppose has gained him the most publicity?


Whose fault is that?
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:00 am
SierraSong wrote:
Quote:
"In America today, AIDS is virtually a black disease, by any measure," says Phill Wilson, executive director of The Black AIDS Institute in Los Angeles. Wilson also points out that while many black American leaders and celebrities have embraced the cause of the epidemic's toll in Africa, few have devoted similar energy to the crisis here at home.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2346857&page=1


Obama participated in a Q&A dealing with AIDS among the Black community.

He makes daily headlines for traveling to Africa, and is seen by some here as a virtual genius for taking a public HIV test.

Kudos to him, but which effort do you suppose has gained him the most publicity?

I think Wilson, as quoted above, is right to point out the lack of attention paid to the crisis involving black Americans by leaders in the black community, but that's just my opinion.


Your laziness in research and your shoot-from-the-hip claims don't serve your credibility well.

What makes Obama's HIV test in Africa important (and smart) relates not to here or to electoral politics at all. It relates to widespread notions in Africa regarding AIDS and testing for it. For a respected high profile African American to help publicize AIDS testing works to de-mythologize medical help, prevention and intervention within those cultural groups.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:04 am
By the way, I skipped over something possibly significant in that article I pointed to re: AIDS in the African-American community:

Quote:
If you were the President, what would be the top five Executive Orders, policies or other positions you would take to end the epidemic, improve treatment, lower transmission rates and so on?

This is not an easy task, and given that the HIV/AIDS epidemic continues to evolve, what may seem logical today may not be a top priority tomorrow. In addition, successful eradication is unlikely without a comprehensive, large-scale societal investment in improving the educational and economic opportunities of our most vulnerable populations, which are disproportionately affected by this disease. That being said, my top five priorities are the following:

1. Strengthening the public health infrastructure.
We know that the federal government's investment in prevention is only a fraction of its investment in medical care and treatment. The HIV/AIDS epidemic is just one example of this administration being "penny-wise and pound-foolish." This nation must increase its investment in the federal and state public health agencies, and equally important, in our community-based organization partners who are truly the foot-soldiers in this prevention war against AIDS.

2. Promoting screening for HIV/AIDS.
Studies have indicated that about one-fourth of Americans infected with HIV are unaware of their status, and these individuals will continue to transmit the deadly infection. These individuals need to be identified, educated and treated.

3. Expanding coverage for HIV/AIDS treatment and services.
A number of programs, particularly the Ryan White CARE Act, have helped so many individuals get the care they need, allowing them to remain healthy, and live longer and more productive lives. Yet, so many individuals continue to fall through the cracks, and the overall federal investment is inadequate given the scope and magnitude of the epidemic.

4. Supporting research for novel drugs and treatments.
HIV has continued to mutate, thwarting vaccine-development efforts and rendering many of our current treatments ineffective. The federal government must continue to support and accelerate research for development of effective medications and treatments, which should include microbicides which hold tremendous promise for HIV prevention for women.

5. Providing comprehensive sex education.
Promotion of abstinence from sex outside of monogamous relationships must be part of any successful HIV-prevention strategy, but it cannot be the entire strategy. Information about condoms and other effective tools must be made readily available. We are losing the battle against the HIV/AIDS epidemic, and we cannot allow partisan politics to trump sound, scientific policies.


See that "are"? He's asked what he would do if he became president, and he doesn't demur or say anything about how he wouldn't run or anything like that, he just answers -- and says that his top 5 priorities ARE, not "would be."

That sounds like someone who's thinking in those terms -- what he would do as president.

It could just be that those are his priorities no matter what (see the sidebar of that article about what he's already done in Illinois, spearheading "legislation to increase funding for AIDS services and comprehensive HIV-prevention programs (abstinence and condoms.)") But I see some room for optimism that he's gonna run, there. (Couldn't find a date on it beyond "Copyright 2006")
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SierraSong
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:23 am
sozobe wrote:
But I see some room for optimism that he's gonna run, there.


In '08? I hope you're right, but I think he's too much of a politician to not realize that if he runs and loses (and he'd lose), he'll have "has-been" written all over him for any hope of a future run.

Feingold will be the nominee.

(And, he'll lose, too).
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:26 am
Feingold?!!

Laughing

Uh, right.

I love the guy to pieces, but no way. I'd say Warner is the most likely if Obama stays out of it and if Hillary doesn't steamroll through (pleasenopleasenopleaseno)... If not Warner, 3 or 4 others more likely than Feingold.
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Miller
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 11:15 am
Quote:
which should include microbicides which hold tremendous promise for HIV prevention for women.


Obama's comment makes little or no scientific sense.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 25 Aug, 2006 11:19 am
Miller wrote:
Quote:
which should include microbicides which hold tremendous promise for HIV prevention for women.


Obama's comment makes little or no scientific sense.


There are different opinions to yours.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 11:20 am
First Google result for microbicides:

http://www.global-campaign.org/

Lots of info there.
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nimh
 
  1  
Fri 25 Aug, 2006 12:25 pm
sozobe wrote:
SierraSong wrote:
Kudos to him, but which effort do you suppose has gained him the most publicity?

Whose fault is that?

Well, Obama's of course! Dont you see? He's the liberal politician, after all.. ;-)
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blatham
 
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Sat 26 Aug, 2006 05:47 am
A bit of front page PR for our fellow...
Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/26/world/africa/26obama.html?hp&ex=1156651200&en=947701064405d37c&ei=5094&partner=homepage


depressing ps... does anyone else worry that this fellow could gain the attention of folks who might think it a matter of national patriotism to do away with a charismatic african american who could get into the WH?
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