Obama '08?

What an absurdly feeble attempt (even for YOU!) at a strawman argument. I don't remember anyone saying that the popular vote should have counted in 2000 and 2004. (I don't even understand WTF you are saying vis a vis 2004 as Bush won the popular vote.)

So you are saying that nobody wanted the popular vote to count in 2000 and 2004?

In 2004 you are correct, Bush won the popular vote by 3,000,000.
But in 2000 Gore won the popular vote, by approx 500,000 votes.
Yet there were many dems, mainly on the old abuzz, that were saying that the popular vote should count, because that was the fair thing.


Of course, there have been lots of people (D and R) who would like to ditch the electoral college but that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Hillary's attempt to change the rules in the middle of the game.

blueflame1 wrote:

teeny, the word racist seems to be loosely tossed around. But clearly the use of the name nappyheadedhohoho is a racist taunt.

Blue:
Ignoring the moniker in question, for obvious reasons, I used a lot of figures of speech in this forum, to be called the obvious. Some people who don;t think, jump to conclusions, because they don't think or don't think fast on thier feet! I used the oldest psychology trick in the book and they fell, hook, line and sinker, then commenced to call me everything, but a nhhhh! Get it?

I said I was Black, but does anybody really know? I could be Barack Obama, for all anyone knows, but you, CI and MM know me from Abuzz. They ought to be glad Dr. Magginkat, isn't here. It worked! Repuglicans, can't keep a decent forum/thread going amongst themselves, because they're so dull, get a rise out the damage they do to others and don't really know that they're sealing their fate, every time one of these repugs get elected.

It doesnt matter who you are or what your race is, when you say racist things, you ARE a racist.

As for Magginkat, every time she shows up she gets run off.
She wont allow anyone that disagrees with her on her forum, she has said that a bullet "wasnt good enough" for a state rep she disagreed with (she got investigated by the Secret Service for that one), and she is a complete and total ass.
Her not being here is meaningless to the fact that you are a racist.

The only time repugs call on them for anything is to help them get elected, then they party with their elitist friends, buy women like Vitter does because no self-respecting woman, would take a 2nd look at their sneering faces. See Cheney! :wink:

revel wrote:

You know this is not true; most democracts were in favor of the last gulf war with the first bush;

If the votes of members of Congress are any indicator I'd have doubts about that claim.

When Gulf War I (1991) was building 45 out of 55 (82%) Democratic senators and 179 of 265 (66%) Democratic House members voted to oppose that war.

Compare that to the 21 of 49 (43%) Democratic Senators and 126 of 207 (61%) Democratic House members voted against the use of force in Iraq.

It would appear that more Democrats were against Gulf War I (1991) then were against the use of Force in Iraq (2002).

Public opinion polls from early January 1991 (just prior U.S. action) showed general public support for Gulf War I to be between 44 and 49% so I can't see how "most Democrats" could have considered to have been in favor of that war prior to it starting.

Sheila Jackson Lee booed at Democratic convention
March 29th, 2008Raw video of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee's speech at a local Democratic senatorial district convention in Houston Saturday in which she was booed by the crowd, many of whom are in her district. Her speech was interrupted a couple of times as the crowd voiced its displeasure with her backing Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.
http://www.khou.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=231349

Listening to the clip of Jackson's speech, she was expressing exactly the kind of sentiments about America that several Obama supporters were aching to hear from him. And still haven't.

The Gulf War or Persian Gulf War
Polls showed that upwards of 80% of the American public supported the troop deployment

New Backing for Obama
As Party Seeks Unity
By JACKIE CALMES
March 31, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama's side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina's seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group -- just one has so far -- before that state's May 6 primary, several Democrats say.
link "What makes such endorsements significant is that they're from superdelegates."

They ought to be glad Dr. Magginkat, isn't here.

I do not see how you can accuse anyone of having no substance, miller.

In any event; we will have see in the end how this plays out. If Hillary loses; I seriously doubt she is going to be advocating her supporters to vote for McCain and that would go a long way towards persuading people to focus on the main objectives of wanting to change the current policies of which McCain would only continue. The same is true of Obama; in fact both have already indicated as much a few days ago. But I guess we will see in the end.

blueflame1 wrote:

New Backing for Obama
As Party Seeks Unity
By JACKIE CALMES
March 31, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama's side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina's seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group -- just one has so far -- before that state's May 6 primary, several Democrats say.
link "What makes such endorsements significant is that they're from superdelegates."

UNITY?? What a joke.

If Obama beats Hillary, most if not all of the women supporting her will run over to the McCain side.

War heros, especially the cuties always get the female vote.

Obama is neither a war hero or a cutie...

blueflame1 wrote:

New Backing for Obama
As Party Seeks Unity
By JACKIE CALMES
March 31, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama's side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina's seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group -- just one has so far -- before that state's May 6 primary, several Democrats say.
link "What makes such endorsements significant is that they're from superdelegates."

UNITY?? What a joke.

If Obama beats Hillary, most if not all of the women supporting her will run over to the McCain side.

War heroes, especially the cuties always get the female vote.

Obama is neither a war hero nor a cutie...

As far as the POW, which is true, he crashed 4 planes, leading to his capture and don't know if it's true, sold out other POW's for better treatment. Don't quote me, just reading what's on the net.

teenyboone wrote:

They ought to be glad Dr. Magginkat, isn't here.

But my friend, MagginKat is an active member of A2K and I agree with her comments, that Obama is an empty suit.

Good for you, MagginKat.
:wink:

Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama told Democrats to take a deep breath yesterday and stop worry. The two rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination told their supporters that "they may bicker daily over issues, character and innuendo" but they both believe that "Democratic voters will coalesce around a nominee and carry him or her to victory in November over Republican John McCain."

The Associated Press reports that both candidates addressed the issue after a series of polls showed that the intensity of their struggle was affecting their supporters. Many told pollsters that they would rather vote for McCain than for the other Democrat.

"Please think through this decision. It is not a wise decision," Clinton said to applause from a crowd in Fayetteville, North Carolina. "Every time we have a vigorous contest like we're having this primary election, people get intense. Senator Obama has intense support. I have intense support. It's exciting because people want to be involved. But, the differences ... pale in comparison to the differences between us and Senator McCain."

Clinton pledged to be a "team player," regardless of who won the nomination, saying she would help to make sure the party was united

Meanwhile, Obama was making a similar point during an interview on ABC's "World News."

"There are going to be some bruised feelings, whoever the nominee is. We are going to have to come together and remind ourselves that there is a heck of a lot bigger difference between either Senator Clinton or myself, and John McCain," Obama said. "I think short term, there is going to be work to do for the nominee to bring the party back together again. People feel pretty passionate about their respective candidates. I appreciate that, and I understand it."