Obama '08?

Republicans Crazy Ass Preachers

Reublicans: Only Our Pastors Are Allowed To Say Crazy ****
By: Blue Texan Tuesday March 18, 2008 10:30 am

As the wingnut chorus predictably disses Obama's eloquent speech, it's important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole Wright "controversy" is:

...the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe -- who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator -- blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank. The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never -- because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic.

Well, yeah. Duh.

By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal -- that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister -- someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country -- about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.

John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists" -- people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become -- and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.

Once again, it's important to keep making the point that when you've built an entire political movement on the backs of a crazy mob of Dixiecrat Savonarolas who make outrageous hateful comments pretty much every day, you've sort of opted-out of your ability to throw stones.

I just read a rumor cited on Americablog that Edwards is set to endorse Clinton...this via Richard Stengel of Time Magazine on the Chris Matthews Show. It seems so incongruous that he would endorse her (corporate money that he apparently distanced himself from and spoke eloquently against), plus the timing. I can't believe he would endorse Hillary now....?

Let's not forget this gem, Blatham. This isn't a "guilt by association" accusation. This is the man himself.

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Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.
"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live."

From Tucker Carlson at msnbc to the clowns at fox, the talking point is that Obama didn't go far enough to distance himself from this america-hating Wright and the anti-semite Farrakhan. Limbaugh now has a "daily Reverend Wright Segment".

This is the way it will go, folks. They'll continue the smear.

On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh said that Barack Obama was now "the candidate of race."

He said Obama "is not an agent of racial healing, he is a product of it."

He accuses of Obama of wanting to be the nation's racial-healer-in-chief, rather than its commander-in-chief.

This wasn't a speech by committee... Obama wrote the speech himself, working on it for two days and nights.... and showed it to only a few of his top advisers.

blatham wrote:

From Tucker Carlson at msnbc to the clowns at fox, the talking point is that Obama didn't go far enough to distance himself from this america-hating Wright and the anti-semite Farrakhan. Limbaugh now has a "daily Reverend Wright Segment".

This is the way it will go, folks. They'll continue the smear.

But with a new twist.

Tomorrow's conservative a2k talking points foretold today:

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On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh said that Barack Obama was now "the candidate of race."

He said Obama "is not an agent of racial healing, he is a product of it."

He accuses of Obama of wanting to be the nation's racial-healer-in-chief, rather than its commander-in-chief.

Thats not internally consistent, of course (he's now no longer the post-racial candidate but "the candidate of race," but at the same time he should be mocked as "the nation's racial-healer-in-chief"?). But that wont matter - one argument will be used on one thread, another on another.

Vietnamnurse wrote:

I just read a rumor cited on Americablog that Edwards is set to endorse Clinton...this via Richard Stengel of Time Magazine on the Chris Matthews Show.

Haven't heard anything about this yet. I'll keep an eye out.

The slime merchants can do anything they want. It ain't gonna wash. Obama convinced me today (and a lot of people, I reckon) that he is the real deal. He is unflappable and amazingly presidential in his demeanor. All this while McCain makes such a fool of himself that Joe Lieberman ahs to correct him.

Another McCain Senior Moment

Why now? What would have brought about his decision, I wonder?

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I would like to know if Hillary Clinton's minister came out on video saying that 9/11 was karma, God's judgement on a hateful america that was allowing minorities to overrun it....and then Hill came on tv and said she disagreed... but had heard such remarks coming from the pulpit on more than one occasion and decided to remain in the church... what you Obamaites would be doing and saying.... letting it ride? Calling a non issue? forgiving and forgetting? I say bullshit.

So you're saying this is a hypothetical double standard? Maybe, but it's kind of hard to find an equivalent example for Hillary given our history, isn't it? I'd argue that the Ferraro flap was a good counterexample, and yeah, I didn't think that reflected on Hillary. She pretty clearly didn't agree with her on that, and just being friends with her, well, that doesn't mean anything. We all have all kinds of friends.

Given what Obama has said about his relationship with Wright, I'm curious what the remaining issue is? Does anyone really believe that Obama secretly hates America or has a radical black panther agenda? What is it that his connection to Wright is supposed to say about him that is so important?

FreeDuck wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I would like to know if Hillary Clinton's minister came out on video saying that 9/11 was karma, God's judgement on a hateful america that was allowing minorities to overrun it....and then Hill came on tv and said she disagreed... but had heard such remarks coming from the pulpit on more than one occasion and decided to remain in the church... what you Obamaites would be doing and saying.... letting it ride? Calling a non issue? forgiving and forgetting? I say bullshit.

So you're saying this is a hypothetical double standard? Maybe, but it's kind of hard to find an equivalent example for Hillary given our history, isn't it? I'd argue that the Ferraro flap was a good counterexample, and yeah, I didn't think that reflected on Hillary. She pretty clearly didn't agree with her on that, and just being friends with her, well, that doesn't mean anything. We all have all kinds of friends.

Given what Obama has said about his relationship with Wright, I'm curious what the remaining issue is? Does anyone really believe that Obama secretly hates America or has a radical black panther agenda? What is it that his connection to Wright is supposed to say about him that is so important?

you don't need to look for a hypothetical double standard... I provided it... what's the response?

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I would like to know if Hillary Clinton's minister came out on video saying that 9/11 was karma, God's judgement on a hateful america that was allowing minorities to overrun it....and then Hill came on tv and said she disagreed... but had heard such remarks coming from the pulpit on more than one occasion and decided to remain in the church... what you Obamaites would be doing and saying.... letting it ride? Calling a non issue? forgiving and forgetting? I say bullshit.

So you're saying this is a hypothetical double standard? Maybe, but it's kind of hard to find an equivalent example for Hillary given our history, isn't it? I'd argue that the Ferraro flap was a good counterexample, and yeah, I didn't think that reflected on Hillary. She pretty clearly didn't agree with her on that, and just being friends with her, well, that doesn't mean anything. We all have all kinds of friends.

Given what Obama has said about his relationship with Wright, I'm curious what the remaining issue is? Does anyone really believe that Obama secretly hates America or has a radical black panther agenda? What is it that his connection to Wright is supposed to say about him that is so important?

you don't need to look for a hypothetical double standard... I provided it... what's the response?

I gave you one; you responded to my snark but not my comment on the issue.

Cycloptichorn

I'm not convinced that your example is equivalent. And even less convinced that we could get anywhere discussing a hypothetical double standard. After all, we'll never know which of us is right. I don't mind spinning my wheels now and again but I don't need the exercise just now.