Obama '08?

Foxfyre wrote:

Well you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he never said he wasn't there and in the next post say that he said he wasn't there without looking like you're spinning like crazy. It just doesn't wash.

Sure it does. It's called 'details.' They do make a difference, yaknow.

Cycloptichorn

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People are not satisfied with Obama's explanations, so they are now playing in shite. Yes, he was there; no he wasn't there. WTF difference does it make?

I heard Bush say "we are going to see the biggest reconstruction probject this country has ever seen" while he stood alone in Jackson Square after Katrina. Does that make a difference?

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...."they are now playing in shite"....qouting CI....

The mass media has nothing else but to appeal to baser instincts in my opinion. I wish it were otherwise, but this is what they can make newsworthy and sells.

Yeah. Rolling Eyes

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From Firedoglake....a left of center blog comparing Obama's speech to Lincoln's at Cooper Union....by Phoenixwoman:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/18/from-cooper-union-to-the-constitution-center-

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Vietnamnurse wrote:

...."they are now playing in shite"....qouting CI....

The mass media has nothing else but to appeal to baser instincts in my opinion. I wish it were otherwise, but this is what they can make newsworthy and sells.

Yeah.

If by baser instincts you mean replaying Wright's comments, many of which are profane and lewd, yes I agree. It's hard to watch, yet this is what Obama and his wife voluntarily exposed their children to by taking them to an angry church run by a racist, anti-American pastor.

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Nap,

you don't seem to understand that criticism from Republican writers is generally a sign that a Dem is doing things right.

Cycloptichorn

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I would like to know if Hillary Clinton's minister came out on video saying that 9/11 was karma, God's judgement on a hateful america that was allowing minorities to overrun it....and then Hill came on tv and said she disagreed... but had heard such remarks coming from the pulpit on more than one occasion and decided to remain in the church... what you Obamaites would be doing and saying.... letting it ride? Calling a non issue? forgiving and forgetting? I say bullshit.

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Of course you do; but it is, of course, meaningless that you do, as nobody cares.

Cycloptichorn

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

If by baser instincts you mean replaying Wright's comments, many of which are profane and lewd, yes I agree. It's hard to watch, yet this is what Obama and his wife voluntarily exposed their children to by taking them to an angry church run by a racist, anti-American pastor.

http://www.owenbloggers.com/tyler/WindowsLiveWriter/WinterWonderland_13F83/image%7B0%7D%5B8%5D_1.png

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Of course you do; but it is, of course, meaningless that you do, as nobody cares.

Cycloptichorn

you are just the meanest little girl on A2K.... good thing nobody cares...

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Of course you do; but it is, of course, meaningless that you do, as nobody cares.

Cycloptichorn

you are just the meanest little girl on A2K.... good thing nobody cares...

Naturally, the point is that the opinions of those who have invested so much personal effort in tearing Obama down, such as yourself, are hardly neutral ones.

Cycloptichorn

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and those of you who believe Obama can do nothing wrong no matter what.... are neutral..... more bullshit whether anyone cares or not.

so answer the fookin' question... if the shoe were on the other foot would you be satisified?

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

and those of you who believe Obama can do nothing wrong no matter what.... are neutral..... more bullshit whether anyone cares or not.

so answer the fookin' question... if the shoe were on the other foot would you be satisified?

I don't think that statements made by those who are not the candidates themselves, or are working for the candidate in some fashion, are material to the question of whether or not someone will make a good president. At all. So I wouldn't have too much of a problem with any comments like that; hell, I AGREE with many of those comments.

I think that all Religious folks are pretty much equally crazy.

Cycloptichorn

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Obama Ends Bid to Become 1st Black President

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Foxfyre wrote:

Well you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he never said he wasn't there and in the next post say that he said he wasn't there without looking like you're spinning like crazy. It just doesn't wash.

It doesn't wash with people who can't discern nuance.

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

This isn't going away...

Neither is President Obama, not for four years anyway not unless someone like you can find a good angle in a school book depository building.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Of course you do; but it is, of course, meaningless that you do, as nobody cares.

Cycloptichorn

you are just the meanest little girl on A2K.... good thing nobody cares...

Cyc is a girl? I bet that comes as a big surprise to the smoking hot babe he is with.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I would like to know if Hillary Clinton's minister came out on video saying that 9/11 was karma, God's judgement on a hateful america that was allowing minorities to overrun it....and then Hill came on tv and said she disagreed... but had heard such remarks coming from the pulpit on more than one occasion and decided to remain in the church... what you Obamaites would be doing and saying.... letting it ride? Calling a non issue? forgiving and forgetting? I say bullshit.

So you're saying this is a hypothetical double standard? Maybe, but it's kind of hard to find an equivalent example for Hillary given our history, isn't it? I'd argue that the Ferraro flap was a good counterexample, and yeah, I didn't think that reflected on Hillary. She pretty clearly didn't agree with her on that, and just being friends with her, well, that doesn't mean anything. We all have all kinds of friends.

Given what Obama has said about his relationship with Wright, I'm curious what the remaining issue is? Does anyone really believe that Obama secretly hates America or has a radical black panther agenda? What is it that his connection to Wright is supposed to say about him that is so important?

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Free Duck, It's interesting isn't it? All these people trying to make something out of a minister who said some bad things and trying to put those words into Obama.

Narrow minds and ignorance are still prevalent in the US.

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