Miller
 
  1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:09 pm
Michelle Obama needs to learn how to shut her mouth or her husband will lose any chance he may have, for the nomination.
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:19 pm
Miller wrote:
Michelle Obama needs to learn how to shut her mouth or her husband will lose any chance he may have, for the nomination.
I heard today that if Hillary doesn't get the nomination and go on to win the white house Bill will join a monastery.
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nimh
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:20 pm
dyslexia wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Registered republicans went for Obama to a greater degree.

really?

In Texas, they did; in Ohio, Republicans broke evenly between Hillary and Obama.

Ohio was the exception, though. In most previous primaries, Republicans also in majority went for Obama. You could argue that the fact that in Ohio half of them went for Hillary suggests that Rush Limbaugh had some effect in calling Republicans to go vote for her.

It's not entirely clear though. Hillary won pretty comfortably in Ohio - she ran even or ahead of Obama in most of the subgroups. So you could also argue that her lead was so comfortable that she'd even lead in some groups she normally trails in, like crossover Republicans, without needing any help from Limbaugh.

E.g., Republicans, as well as conservatives, in Ohio split evenly between Obama and Hillary, yes - but Hillary did so well overall that she handily won the moderates, liberals, and Democrats, while splitting Independents evenly with Obama as well. So in spite of Limbaugh's call to vote for Hillary, Republicans, conservatives and Independents were still the three most likely political subsets of all to vote for Obama.

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(P.S. One minor terminological correction: the exit polls only record voters' partisan self-identification. If someone says he's a Republican, that's how he's counted; they dont check whether he's a registered Republican. Wouldnt really work, either, as some primaries require you to register as Democrat on the spot, for example.)


High Seas wrote:
Both Ohio and Texas have crossover primaries and in both States a tenth of Hillary's ballots were cast by registered Republicans - though this wasn't widely reported, if this thread is anything to go by Smile


True, both in Texas and Ohio self-identified Republicans made up 8% of the Hillary voters. Then again, in both states they made up an even larger share of Obama voters.
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:27 pm
interesting. thanks nimh
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Miller
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:47 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Miller wrote:
Michelle Obama needs to learn how to shut her mouth or her husband will lose any chance he may have, for the nomination.
I heard today that if Hillary doesn't get the nomination and go on to win the white house Bill will join a monastery.


Is that the place where the Nuns are assistants, in waiting?
Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:54 pm
No, but they're supposed to be virgins; 72 of them.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 08:13 pm
So, here's something interesting:

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5248

Calitics is reporting:

Quote:

Today the results of the February 5 primary become official. The final spread in the popular vote between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is 8.9%. Clinton garnered 51.8% to Obama's 42.9%. The final delegates will be 203 for Clinton to 167 for Obama. This roughly averages out to the exact spread in the head-to-head popular vote (Hillary got 54.6% of the head-to-head vote and 54.8% of the delegates), so the convoluted delegate apportionment system worked in the case of California.

I'm also pleased to announce that 47,153 "double bubble" votes were counted in Los Angeles County. The expectation on the day of the election was that none of these ballots from decline to state voters would be counted, but the pressure put on by the Courage Campaign and other groups led to this result. And by the way, 51% of those votes went to Hillary Clinton and 42% to Barack Obama, so those who insisted upon viewing this through some partisan lens can respectfully shut the **** up. This was about voter rights and remedying disenfranchisement; it always was, even though it had no material impact on the overall election.


203-167 is more delegates for Obama. Per Demconwatch's AP numbers, it's a net shift of +6 for Obama. Per CNN, +8.

That's about how much Clinton garnered from OH and TX. The delegate advantage, gone, just like that.

Cycloptichorn
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Miller
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 08:20 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, but they're supposed to be virgins; 72 of them.


Buddhist Nuns?
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okie
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 09:52 pm
dyslexia wrote:
interesting. thanks nimh

darn ditto heads just don't follow Rush's orders, do they, dys? I know you are disappointed this bit of information does not fit your stereotype of Rush listeners, does it? Unlike groupees, conservatives think for themselves.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 10:23 pm
okie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
interesting. thanks nimh

darn ditto heads just don't follow Rush's orders, do they, dys? I know you are disappointed this bit of information does not fit your stereotype of Rush listeners, does it? Unlike groupees, conservatives think for themselves.


Sure they do; that's why many republicans have given Bush one of the lowest ratings for a president in modern times.
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okie
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 10:30 pm
Agreed, Bush is a mixed bag, good on some things, not so good on others, and terrible on spending. Conservatives are for fiscal responsibility, and the government is flunking in that area. That includes both Democrats and Republicans.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Fri 7 Mar, 2008 12:38 am
i wonder if you could objectively list ANYTHING bush has been good at....
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spendius
 
  1  
Fri 7 Mar, 2008 07:51 am
Winning elections. 2 out of 2 isn't so bad.

Our PM hasn't won one yet.
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Fri 7 Mar, 2008 08:11 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
i wonder if you could objectively list ANYTHING bush has been good at....


He's been pretty good at systematically dismantling parts of the government that used to work. He's been pretty good at obliterating checks and balances. I hear he used to be pretty good holding cheerleaders up over his head, too.
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eoe
 
  1  
Fri 7 Mar, 2008 08:46 am
That little soft shoe on the front porch of the WH wasn't so bad yesterday. Smile
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revel
 
  1  
Fri 7 Mar, 2008 09:35 am
The tap-dancing footage:
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Foxfyre
 
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Fri 7 Mar, 2008 09:51 am
This has been a good thread so far. Too bad that some are apparently running out of ammo to praise and/or discuss the pros and cons of an Obama presidency and rather seem to be turning this into still another Bush bashing thread.
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dyslexia
 
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Fri 7 Mar, 2008 09:53 am
Foxfyre wrote:
This has been a good thread so far. Too bad that some are apparently running out of ammo to praise and/or discuss the pros and cons of an Obama presidency and rather seem to be turning this into still another Bush bashing thread.
Yes it's quite unfortunate that Obama will be running against Bush3McCain.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 7 Mar, 2008 09:55 am
Oh, come on, I didn't think his dancing was THAT bad...!

;-)


I keep harping about the Texas caucuses, more about that (why they haven't been tallied yet, why that's unlikely to happen anytime soon) here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/03/texas_dem_caucus_still_not_dec.php

Messy, messy, messy.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Fri 7 Mar, 2008 10:09 am
Foxfyre wrote:
This has been a good thread so far. Too bad that some are apparently running out of ammo to praise and/or discuss the pros and cons of an Obama presidency and rather seem to be turning this into still another Bush bashing thread.


who deserves it more than that useless prick?
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