Obama '08?

snood wrote:

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I am not just lined up behind the 'black guy' because he looks like me - if that were the case I wouldn't have voted for Mondale when Jackson was a possibility...

I just think Obama is better.

We know that, snood. Unfortunately, that 'we' includes only the category of people with IQs above 87 or so. This guy could be green and he'd still be a heads-above-the-rest modern american political figure.

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sozobe wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
I don't know if I can take another two months of this.

I know!!!!

Thanks for explaining more of your thinking, blatham. I suspect I wouldn't agree with your definition of "slag" when it comes to Hillary. I don't have an interest in maligning her personally or unfairly. But when it comes to stuff about how she's been managing her campaign, or how she voted in 2002 and why, I think that's fair game.

While I dislike the general concept of pulling rank re: racism and sexism -- saying which is worse, which is more pervasive, which has a bigger impact -- I do think that sexism is less radioactive. Less dangerous to explicitly display it.

But "explicitly" is the rub, there. Racism can still pop up in other ways. To take one example, what is the Farrakhan flap about, really?

That's in addition to nimh's additional data (thanks) about how race and gender are affecting votes. Not everything needs to emanate from the media to have a very real affect.

soz
I loves ya and any frictive stuff between us has been insignificant. Farakhan is about race. So was the response to Michelle's "first time I loved..." statement because it morphed immediately into allusions to Black Power. We all know we'll see more.

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BBB
We live in interesting political times. Congratulations to Obama and Clinton. And to those who worked for them, including Butrflynet, who was among the first to volunteer for Obama's campaign in California.

BBB

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Indeed we do. I think I could do with a little less interestingness at this point!

Back atcha, blatham. And agreed about more.

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Oh, didn't catch your edit before posting, thanks BBB! I wish Ohio had been closer but I do feel like I worked pretty hard, and I met a lot of great people. Sure hope I have an opportunity to work hard for Obama again for the general election (though my record thus far has been pretty lousy!)

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I think this transcript is a good example of the many dynamics, prejudices, and games occuring from all angles in this race for the presidency.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334669,00.html

Rush Limbaugh Explains Why He's Urging Republicans in Texas and Ohio to Vote for Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday 2

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revel wrote:

Oh pooh; you two wern't ever going to vote for Obama ever, this safer business is just so much BS. Tell me how is Hillary making you feel safer; in what ways is she so much more secure than Obama. What experience stand out so much? None.

Her health care only makes the poor suffer with her mandatory health coverage plan, on everything else; she essentially has the same policies as Obama. Both of them want to bring the troops home; they feel about the same foreign policies and she has no more experience in her career other than being a senator a little bit longer and being married to Bill Clinton.

then why do you find obama so superior?

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Butrflynet wrote:

I think this transcript is a good example of the many dynamics, prejudices, and games occuring from all angles in this race for the presidency.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334669,00.html

Rush Limbaugh Explains Why He's Urging Republicans in Texas and Ohio to Vote for Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday 2

God. What a repugnant mass of slime those two are.

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revel wrote:

On the other hand just listen to this, reminds me of why Obama has my vote. (before the spin of pretty words without substance get thrown out; already been there and disputed and debunked that )

Obama's next chapter

If the link don't directly take to the above; just click top videos.

Is it true the Obamas hand out free cheap pearls each and every time you VOTE?

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you've got a woman and a black man running for president and yet everyone
is acting surprised that racism and sexism is in play from all camps.

What did you expect? This is more shitty water that will have to be waded through. It's a process and a nasty one, but eventually the water will run clean.

Of course Hill and Obama will bear the brunt of it... they're the first.

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Nothing more, than a single puff in the cold, cold wind.

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Who's surprised?

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Why worry?

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Well, it's going to be tougher for Obama from here on out.

Hopefully he can win in Wyoming and Mississippi to close out the month on a strong note.

Cycloptichorn

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Not quite the first. Alan Keyes has run for president. Jesse Jackson has run for president. Neither took hits on the racism issue. Both had some early success but neither had what it took to sustain interest and they were left in the dust.

Walter Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate, and as I recall, she was treated quite kindly by the media and the pundits.

I think politics in general have become more ugly and hostile in general since those days and all candidates are targeted overtly or behind the scenes in smear campaigns. It is unfortunate that candidates are too often dealing with those tactics instead of dealing with the issues.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Well, it's going to be tougher for Obama from here on out.

Goodie!

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Foxfyre wrote:

Not quite the first. Alan Keyes has run for president. Jesse Jackson has run for president. Neither took hits on the racism issue.

Um - Jesse Jackson didnt "take hits" from racism?

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nimh wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Not quite the first. Alan Keyes has run for president. Jesse Jackson has run for president. Neither took hits on the racism issue.

Um - Jesse Jackson didnt "take hits" from racism?

No, I don't believe he did. At least I didn't see it in either the rhetoric of the campaign or what was written about him. But I didn't hear all the rhetoric nor read everything that was written either. Jackson himself has come under criticism for putting a racist slant or things, anti-semitic remarks, etc., but I don't recall anybody taking shots at him because of his race.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I am going to bed but I look forward to being educated on how it's meaningless and hear it minimalized and denigrated upon awakening later...

Um.. you mean like the Hillary campaign has done with every Obama win? :wink:

(Too black, too caucus, too affluent, too red a state, too small, too... always something. I dont think, on the other hand, that I've seen the Obama campaign argue that this or that Hillary win should not be taken into account because the state was just too unrepresentative - with the exception of Florida and Michigan, of course, but thats quite another matter.)

I was glad to see Obama congratulate Hillary on her wins in Ohio and Rhode Island in his speech last night (the Texas results were still up in the air). I really dont understand why Hillary refused to congratulate her opponent in state after state after state after Super Tuesday. I thought it the weirdest thing. Was afraid that Obama would emulate her example now, glad he didnt.

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Bill Richardson is frustrating me. Remember that whole, "whoever is ahead in delegates after March 4th" thing? Now:

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Per Howard Fineman on MSNBC, Bill Richardson is telling advisers that should Hillary Clinton win Ohio and Texas, the Democratic race is "wide open."

(Marc Ambinder.)

"Wide open?"

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