Obama '08?

Well, I've perceived a lot of impetus for me to be supposed to vote for Hillary because she's in line, at last a woman, has worked out issues to some extent. I'll give ground on the working out of some issues to almost all candidates, of whatever variety, whatever party, as I imagine the curve for learning while running is a highway designer's nightmare, even for the best informed to start with.

I admit, well, bemusement is the wrong word... struggle, with seeing how people do sheep up. Or, that people who work out their opinions are taken as sheepy, including sometimes by me. This should not be new to me, but it is ever new. And no, I'm not an Obama lamb, it's just where I've landed.

at 1:02 am Hillary declared winner in Texas... that would make three out of four tonight...

I am going to bed but I look forward to being educated on how it's meaningless and hear it minimalized and denigrated upon awakening later...

I saw the Allen column and went 'pfffft', light stuff. Shows what I know.

Well, it won't be me trying to convince ya; it would have been better if Obama had won TX.

Cycloptichorn

in your opinion... but he didn't.

That was mis-worded -


I'll give ground on the working out of some issues to almost all candidates, of whatever variety, whatever party, as I imagine the curve for learning while running is a highway designer's nightmare, even for the best informed to start with.


I mean, I understand if candidates don't work out all issues just perfectly at such and such a date.


But never mind, to the morrow....

"Oh stewardess. I speak jive."

Damn. Never mind. Obama is attracting new voters. I still think he'll get it.

Well needless to say, I'm disappointed.

It's gonna be stressful for strong supporters of either Hillary or Obama for another several months now, it looks like. Pennsylvania, Mississippi and a couple'a other states are in play, the superdelegates have more to think about, and Hillary's camp will probably make a bigger push to try to get Florida and Michigan delegates.

I do want to say a thing or two, though. I am an Obama supporter. (shock) I have been a strong supporter of Obama since I first started to research him in 2004, while he was still an Illinois State Senator. Believe it or not, I first heard of him from the mouth of a dyed-in-the-wool conservative Republican, who had heard of him and was impressed enough to tell me "Hey, you oughta check this guy out - he's something a little different."

I have gone from skeptical about aspirations from him and those that believed in him to run for president, to cautiously hopeful that he actually has a chance, to pretty fired up about the whole idea of this man being POTUS.

I am not a supporter of his because I think Hillary is an empty suit with nothing to offer, or because I think she is a bigot or because I think she would be possibly worse than George W Bush as president. I support Obama because I believe him to be the person with the attributes I would most like to see in that residence at 1600 Pennsylvania. I think he is a decent man, and a brilliant man. I think he got into public service for the right reasons, and that remains someone who wants to serve others. I think his ideas for programs to free us from our oil addiction and get us universal healthcare are sound, and that he is serious about paying for those things mostly by changing the tax burden in a way that benefits people like me. I like his ideas about student public service and I agree with his stands on gay marriage, the war in Iraq, care for veterans, and a host of other things.

I am not just lined up behind the 'black guy' because he looks like me - if that were the case I wouldn't have voted for Mondale when Jackson was a possibility.

Congrats to Hillary and supporters of Hillary for the victories in Tuesday's primaries.

If my hopes aren't realized this year, and Hillary Clinton gets the nomination - I will get behind her candidacy as the best choice between her and McCain, but I just won't be as enthused about it. I have doubts about her as a person and as a politician that I've shared earlier in this thread for anyone who needs to know - I won't rehash those.

But I am not behind Obama because I think her supporters are brainwashed or mindless or bigots or thoughtless, or that I believe she is a joke or an illusion or a total lie.

I just think Obama is better.

Carry on.

After all is said and done, Obama will win the delegate total in Texas based on the convoluted way the delegate count is figured. (I am betting) Obama can then claim a victory based on that. Hillary will claim she won Texas because she won the popular vote. Then Obama supporters counter that Obama leads in the overall popular vote (as well as overall delegates) Then Hillary will counter that she has the "momentum."

Obama is ahead in the Texas caucus 52-48 with 36% in.


Talk is that cince Hillary going negative worked she will continue wioth it or even get more negative.

So it's on to the Wyoming caucus Saturday and Mississippi Tuesday.

I am afraid that the MSM will paint Pennsylvania on April 7th as some sort of national primary and the demos there favor Clinton. At this point, neither candidate can gather enopugh pledged delegates to claim victory.

I don't know if I can take another two months of this. My solution is for Clinton and Obama to pair and flip a coin to decide who is the top and who is the bottom. IMO a Clintion-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket equals a Dem landslide in November.


In the meantime, McCain is going to make a big splash today with an endorsement from George W. Bush. What a way to kick off a campaign!

I know!!!!


Good post, snood.


Thanks for explaining more of your thinking, blatham. I suspect I wouldn't agree with your definition of "slag" when it comes to Hillary. I don't have an interest in maligning her personally or unfairly. But when it comes to stuff about how she's been managing her campaign, or how she voted in 2002 and why, I think that's fair game.


While I dislike the general concept of pulling rank re: racism and sexism -- saying which is worse, which is more pervasive, which has a bigger impact -- I do think that sexism is less radioactive. Less dangerous to explicitly display it.

But "explicitly" is the rub, there. Racism can still pop up in other ways. To take one example, what is the Farrakhan flap about, really?

That's in addition to nimh's additional data (thanks) about how race and gender are affecting votes. Not everything needs to emanate from the media to have a very real affect.

Bottom line is that Hillary cannot catch Obama in pledged delegates even if she wins every state here on out. (assuming she doesn't win them all by landslides) Rumor was that Obama had some super delegates ready to announce for him after winning Texas. Of course, that is off the boards now.

The way this Texas Caucus plays out might advantage Obama as assuming he wins, he use that to claim that momentum is back on his side. That is how I'd spin it anyway.


For people like me who have been involved in politics all their lives (I worked for JFK as a child then later as a teenfor Spiro Agnew when he was a liberal---yes Agnew was considerd a lberal against Mahoney for Governor of Maryland when Mahoney attempted to win by running a racist campaign then Paul Sarbanes and McGovern) this is shaping up as the most interesting race oin the history of our country which should be a politico's dream. But remember the Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.

Thank God for Texas, Hispanics and the good woman, Mrs. Hillary Clinton!

I don't care much for any of the three contenders, but if it has to be a Democrat, I will feel much safer with Hillary at the helm!

Amen!

Oh pooh; you two wern't ever going to vote for Obama ever, this safer business is just so much BS. Tell me how is Hillary making you feel safer; in what ways is she so much more secure than Obama. What experience stand out so much? None.

Her health care only makes the poor suffer with her mandatory health coverage plan, on everything else; she essentially has the same policies as Obama. Both of them want to bring the troops home; they feel about the same foreign policies and she has no more experience in her career other than being a senator a little bit longer and being married to Bill Clinton.

Now wherever did you ever get that idea???? :wink:

Safer from what, I might ask.

On the other hand just listen to this, reminds me of why Obama has my vote. (before the spin of pretty words without substance get thrown out; already been there and disputed and debunked that )

Obama's next chapter

If the link don't directly take to the above; just click top videos.

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That's not an argument or suggestion you'll hear from me. Merely because, say, racism has been such a disabling and unjust condition for african americans in US history doesn't lead us to an inevitable moral conclusion that Mike Tyson therefore ought to be President. Likewise Hillary.

I can understand completely why an african american would support Obama or why a woman would support Hillary merely on the point of race or gender (or why a catholic would have supported Kennedy merely on the basis of his catholicism) but there's no 'ought' that follows for anyone else. Another woman might plead with you to vote for Hillary because of gender but any suggestion you have a moral duty (as a female) to do so gets into that promotion of 'sheepy' thing you describe.