Obama '08?

On another note,

From Andrew Sullivan.

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I've been watching more TV than usual. I'm struck at how many of my fellow pundits still haven't grasped what is going on out there. They keep using their old devices and tropes to describe something actually new. Last night, I watched Hannity say the word "black" pejoratively about half a dozen times in expressing his fear and loathing of the Obama phenomenon. It was like listening to Lou Dobbs talk about Hispanics. You could see he thinks this is going to work. When Kristol is reduced to actually saying "the politics of fear" rather than simply exploiting it, you realize that the Obama campaign has not just discombobulated Clinton. It has discombobulated the pundit class. You even hear long-time defenders of the Bush Republicans talk darkly about big government if Obama gets in - as if they didn't love it for the past seven years, as if they give a **** about the size of government outside election campaigns.

They didn't see it coming. They still have no clue what they're grappling with. By the time they do, it may well be over.

Cycloptichorn

FreeDuck wrote:

I don't think that is entirely fair, blatham.

Ditto. I've been critical enough of Obama, and in principle I agree that not all his supporters handle criticism as graciously as he does. But I never think of Sozobe when I think of this brand of supporters.

real life wrote:

High Seas wrote:

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"...... this is the saddest election I've ever worked in," said Ginger Grossman, a prominent Democratic organizer in Miami-Dade County, who says she hears countless Jewish liberals tell her they won't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.

"It's outrageous,..... I know it's because he's black, or I feel it is," said Grossman, a Clinton supporter .....

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/25/Worldandnation/Party_frets_over_frac.shtml

Maybe it's because he supports anti-Semites and they support him................

Nuttin personal, but that's likely to be the dumbest and least educated comment I'm going to read today.

A spry Farrakhan sings Obama's praises By SOPHIA TAREEN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Feb 24, 10:40 PM ET



CHICAGO - In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S. will change for the better.........(Farrakhan) spent most of the nearly two-hour speech praising the Illinois senator.

"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," he said.

JERUSALEM - The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe" and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000........................

.................AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi's wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA's English translator during that period..............

................Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama's failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a fact not denied by Khalidi.

Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of New York's WABC Radio and Los Angeles' KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.

"I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician," Khalidi stated.................

Ali Abunimah, Vice President of the Arab American Action Network and Electronic Intifada editor, denounces Palestinian moderates.......

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Hey, thanks for the kind words, guys! I'll accept that I'm not as gracious as Obama has been about these things, though, which is what blatham originally said. High standard and all, not much of an insult!

real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

His campaign has been more gracious than Hillary's campaign. And he personally has been considerably more gracious on these matters than you have been.

I've been watching more TV than usual

And the monies were given in 2006 OR 2008 cycles; so, it seems likely that a large percentage of the funds from BOTH of them were before they declared their candidacies.

I mean, there's thinking ahead, and then there's thinking ahead... not much there imho.

"At this stage of the race, for a presidential candidate, it is a brazen effort to use every avenue to influence an election," Cooper said. "I can't believe the Obama people can keep a straight face and claim these aren't part of the presidential race."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501454.html

Robert Gentel wrote:

real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Following up:
What kind of example did Bush show, when he visited the Saudis, locked arms with them? Weren't the 9-11 terrorists from Saudi Arabia? They seemed to be let off the hook, while the Afghans and the Iraquis are taking the heat, for them!

Cycloptichorn wrote:

And the monies were given in 2006 OR 2008 cycles; so, it seems likely that a large percentage of the funds from BOTH of them were before they declared their candidacies.

I mean, there's thinking ahead, and then there's thinking ahead... not much there imho.

Fair point. I hadnt realised that.

teenyboone wrote:

Robert Gentel wrote:

real life wrote:

Do you deny that Farrakhan is an anti-Semite and is showing his support of Obama?

Fallacy: Guilt by Association
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

Following up:
What kind of example did Bush show, when he visited the Saudis, locked arms with them? Weren't the 9-11 terrorists from Saudi Arabia? They seemed to be let off the hook, while the Afghans and the Iraquis are taking the heat, for them!

Proving once again that two wrongs do, in fact, make a right!

So, yawn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

So, yawn

I swear, in your eyes, Obama is JESUS. He's NEVER sinned.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

So, yawn

I swear, in your eyes, Obama is JESUS. He's NEVER sinned.