Obama is showing a lot more maturity than Clinton; an important characteristic for any leader.
"Disciplined Messaging"
OK now boys. Let's find out how racist and sexist we can be and get away with it.
Quote:The Republican National Committee has commissioned polling and focus groups to determine the boundaries of attacking a minority or female candidate, according to people involved. ... Republicans will be told to "be sensitive to tone and stick to the substance of the discussion" and that "the key is that you have to be sensitive to the fact that you are running against historic firsts," [a Republican strategist] explained ...
GOP officials are certain their words will be scrutinized ever more aggressively. They anticipate a regular media barrage of accusations of intolerance -- or much worse ...
GOP operatives have already coined a term for clumsy rhetoric: "undisciplined messaging." It appears as a bullet point in a PowerPoint presentation making the rounds among major donors, party leaders and surrogates. The presentation outlines five main strategic attacks against an Obama candidacy, with one of them stating how "undisciplined messaging carries great risk."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
My little comment up top would look unfair unless one was around for a long while, since...oh... the last election.
Replying to CI:
The Clintons, are really pandering to racial fear, the war on terrorism, She's signed onto and can't wiggle out of, so she screams and accuses Obama, of telling the truth, but being the good politician, she screams at her accuser, to reverse the truth, that's staring her in her not-so-nice, face!
What mood swings, she seems to have, within hours! The lady-like Hillary, at the end of the last debate. You had to feel sorry for her, then she turns around and becomes, the screaming banshee, from Hell! She then speechifies her jealously of the crowds, the "messianic" Obama draws and she can't fill a small room! McCain will have a field day, with the fodder, she's feeding him! If I were a politician, I'd have to send her a "thank you" note!
Some unity, huh? I wouldn't want her, not even in the rear! Send her home to NY! :wink:
"Personal destruction" was the GOP SOP.
cicerone imposter wrote:Obama is showing a lot more maturity than Clinton; an important characteristic for any leader.
But, you ought to ask yourself CI, how different all this might look if it was the Obama campaign, with all its dedicated and frustrated supporters, that looked headed for defeat while the Clinton campaign was in unstoppable mode.
... the unstoppable mode that it was in for the first large chunk of this campaign season, you mean?
Though the notions expressed below by Kamiya will offend george who never saw a black person that couldn't have done everything george has done if he or she had only pulled up their socks, it is a good reflection of my own notions as well.
Quote:It's OK to vote for Obama because he's black
I'm voting for Obama because he's qualified, charismatic and progressive -- but his blackness seals the deal.
By Gary Kamiya
Feb. 26, 2008 | I admit it: I'm voting for Barack Obama because he's black. Yes, I'm voting for him because he's qualified, intelligent, charismatic and competent -- and because unlike Hillary Clinton, he opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. But if he weren't black, and Hillary had opposed the war, I'd probably vote for her because of her greater experience. In any case, it's a moot point, because if Obama weren't black, he would not be the Democratic front-runner.
I believe that most of Obama's supporters are voting for him for the same reason. Like me, they're drawn to his idealism, his youthful energy, his progressive politics. But it's his blackness that seals the deal.
And that's OK. In fact, it's wonderful.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/02/26/obama/
blatham wrote:sozobe wrote:... the unstoppable mode that it was in for the first large chunk of this campaign season, you mean?
Be bigger than that soz.
What does that mean? You're implying that his graciousness is inferred by his current front-runner status -- that he can afford to be gracious. Yet he's done it all the way through -- including when he was very far behind and Hillary was the juggernaut. He had just lost New Hampshire and Nevada when he cut off the bickering over race by saying that Bill and Hillary Clinton were good people.
blatham wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:Obama is showing a lot more maturity than Clinton; an important characteristic for any leader.
But, you ought to ask yourself CI, how different all this might look if it was the Obama campaign, with all its dedicated and frustrated supporters, that looked headed for defeat while the Clinton campaign was in unstoppable mode.
That phase already passed us by at the beginning of this campaign season when Obama was taught to be the underdog. His message has been more positive even when this squabble started; and when Hillary said she was proud to be sitting there with Obama at the debate, she turned right around and contradicted her own statement - some saying it was the strongest point of the debate.
cicerone imposter wrote:Obama is showing a lot more maturity than Clinton; an important characteristic for any leader.
I agree! Cool under fire, while she rants and raves, at what Obama has discovered about her. Why else would she be so enraged? Holding the 2 brochures over her head, pointing, "Shame on you"! Who the hell is she talking to? Bill? :wink:
sozobe wrote:blatham wrote:sozobe wrote:... the unstoppable mode that it was in for the first large chunk of this campaign season, you mean?
Be bigger than that soz.
What does that mean? You're implying that his graciousness is inferred by his current front-runner status -- that he can afford to be gracious. Yet he's done it all the way through -- including when he was very far behind and Hillary was the juggernaut. He had just lost New Hampshire and Nevada when he cut off the bickering over race by saying that Bill and Hillary Clinton were good people.
First, I don't consider that your views on this are unaffected by your own biases. So I'm not going to even start a contest of weighing out bads and goods here.
His campaign has been more gracious than Hillary's campaign. And he personally has been considerably more gracious on these matters than you have been.
I don't think that is entirely fair, blatham.
I agree with Free Duck; after all, we all come into this with our biases.
blatham wrote:sozobe wrote:blatham wrote:sozobe wrote:... the unstoppable mode that it was in for the first large chunk of this campaign season, you mean?
Be bigger than that soz.
What does that mean? You're implying that his graciousness is inferred by his current front-runner status -- that he can afford to be gracious. Yet he's done it all the way through -- including when he was very far behind and Hillary was the juggernaut. He had just lost New Hampshire and Nevada when he cut off the bickering over race by saying that Bill and Hillary Clinton were good people.
First, I don't consider that your views on this are unaffected by your own biases. So I'm not going to even start a contest of weighing out bads and goods here.
His campaign has been more gracious than Hillary's campaign. And he personally has been considerably more gracious on these matters than you have been.
This is a little uncalled for.
I personally have not always been a model of civility and comity, but to say the same thing about Soz? C'mon. She's the model for the rest of us to follow when it comes to that stuff.
Cycloptichorn
I agree, his behavior in all this has been admirable -- a cut above the political norms. A cynic might argue that this has acted powerfully to his advantage, but cynics aren't nececcarily right. This is also reflective of a refreshingly attractive strain in his public character. I hope it ir real and enduring.
freeduck wrote:
Quote:I don't think that is entirely fair, blatham.
ci wrote:
Quote:I agree with Free Duck; after all, we all come into this with our biases.
Obama's grace is entirely laudable. It's the way to go. I see nothing bad in it at all. In contrast, I see lots wrong with what Clinton's campaign has done in this context.
So when Obama supporters here are discussing or thinking about Clinton, why the hell not follow his model rather than hers?
FreeDuck wrote:I don't think that is entirely fair, blatham.
Ditto. I've been critical enough of Obama, and in principle I agree that not all his supporters handle criticism as graciously as he does. But I never think of Sozobe when I think of this brand of supporters.
